Jesus thought I'd come in here to see some intetesting discussion of the conference and it's just dick swinging over the difference between slander and libel 
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I do feel like stating that Corbyn would launch an anti-Semitic nuclear attack on Israel if he got into power crosses the line of political satire somewhat. Having said that, think we can safely say that it was an attempt at humour, but a misguided and unfunny one, which isn't unusual given the source.
edit: also can we take all dictionary-based pedantry to one thread and burn it down?
edit: also can we take all dictionary-based pedantry to one thread and burn it down?
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Agree with you entirely. Except I think it’s actually pretty important to point out that he probably wasn’t joking and has continued to defend his stance several times subsequently:
That’s Jeremy Corbyn, vice-President of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmement...
Sorry for being a pedant but it’s pretty important to correct this.
fecking hell, you must be a barrel of laughs at a party.
I've just seen this, what the hell?! You may not agree with the things he has to say but his views are by no means scandalous and his mannerisms are no worse than plenty of others here. A few weeks ago, a regular poster on here accused all white British people of being racist and absolutely nothing happened. The decision to forum ban is @Oscie is a fecking outrage.
Mr nuts
I said the fact that I was joking
I highlighted This in the previous post... Along with classical mechanics post suggesting that we are not permitted to make Jones about the dear leader...
I also find it strange that despite that having been made clear you have not chosen to retract your accusation of my alleged criminal misconduct
I do think your actions have given an answer to the question i posed though... What's more serious the chief rabbi making accusations of anti-Semitism against a mainstream party leader or me making a joke... You clearly think the latter which kinda sums up just what a pathetic state politics is in right now.
So to be clear
1. You never answered how I can slander somebody in writing... And are you still accusing me of such criminal actions
2. Are you seriously saying there are no credible people saying Corbyn is anti Semitic because is a chief rabbi isnt credible what exactly would be?
3. You have now twice ignored the fact despite being it being perfectly clear and highlighted it was a joke... So can you answer classical mechanics point and are we allowed to make a joke about the dear leader
4. Nuts seems somewhat fitting as a name
I said the fact that I was joking
I highlighted This in the previous post... Along with classical mechanics post suggesting that we are not permitted to make Jones about the dear leader...
I also find it strange that despite that having been made clear you have not chosen to retract your accusation of my alleged criminal misconduct
I do think your actions have given an answer to the question i posed though... What's more serious the chief rabbi making accusations of anti-Semitism against a mainstream party leader or me making a joke... You clearly think the latter which kinda sums up just what a pathetic state politics is in right now.
So to be clear
1. You never answered how I can slander somebody in writing... And are you still accusing me of such criminal actions
2. Are you seriously saying there are no credible people saying Corbyn is anti Semitic because is a chief rabbi isnt credible what exactly would be?
3. You have now twice ignored the fact despite being it being perfectly clear and highlighted it was a joke... So can you answer classical mechanics point and are we allowed to make a joke about the dear leader
4. Nuts seems somewhat fitting as a name
Did you report this? I'd like to take a look.
I agree. Although he sometimes went over the top he added to the discussion and provided good arguments for the majority of his opinions. I don’t particularly understand why he was singled out and banned.
What makes you think it's a permanent ban? It's likely he will return.
Oh my.
It had nothing to do with their views and everything to do with how they were expressed.
Besides that, like @Grinner said, if you saw someone go on a racist rant... did you report it?
He has and the poster in question was warned.
See I knew people read my posts on here. joking
Repetative abuse of Corbyn perhaps? Mentioning the chant in every single post perhaps? General over the topishness maybe. To him Brexit was the fault of Corbyn, not the tories or cameron in particular, just Corbyn. His posts were jaw droppingly mental.
Very good.
Crazy if true
Wait Oscie was banned? I mean he was a little irritating and a touch condescending but I don’t recall him saying anything ban worthy.
Banned from the CE I think (not jyst this thread) - dunno if its temp or perm but like you I personally dont recall anything ban worthy
God I hope that is true.
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Ouch.
Concerning. Failure of the Lib Dems to pick up at all would suggest to me those abandoning him are slipping into apathy again more than anything else.
Given how key an issue Brexit is for 18-24 year olds this can hardly be a huge surprise. If you are opposed to Brexit then Corbyn has failed to represent your point of view.
I must admit I was surprised when the press rated the Labour party conference as a success. As posted at the time 'we haven't ruled a second referendum out' was not what the Labour's activists and newer members wanted to hear.
I think it will take years for the Lib Dems to be forgiven for the Coalition and for tuition fees.
That plus a lot of their key figures are fairly right-wing economically. Plus they're fecking terrible at marketing themselves. A party that prides itself on being socially open and liberal almost getting outflanked by Theresa May on gay marriage was grim. The overall trend in that regard seems to be though that youngsters who are turning away from Corbyn at the moment aren't really turning anywhere else at all.
Is there a trend of them turning away ? Labour are still polling around 40%, yeah the younger voters might have felt let down or they think Corbyn is now rubbish but it isn't effecting Labour in the polls.
Are the overall polls weighted for likley to turn out as well... As we know traditionally the turnout 18 to 24 is relatively low
More like they've realised he's the Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
"Lollipops!"
Tbh, I've argued on here before that support in Corbyn amongst that demographic is collapsing, so it's nice to have some hard proof in support of that, but I don't think it necessarily follows that those voters are necessarily being lost to Labour. I accept that I am a fairly atypical member of that demographic (not least because I'm actually outside of it) but the conversations I have had with people about Corbyn over the last few months haven't necessarily shown they've lost faith in his platform or policies (except the big one in Brexit) but have lost faith in his ability to actually deliver it.
I wouldn't be amazed if when push came to shove they voted Labour, which probably also explains Labours relatively stable numbers, even if they don't believe in Corbyn as a PM, especially if he's able to keep up a thin veneer of being incompetent rather than a leaver on Brexit.
The sooner Corbyn goes the better as far as I'm concerned - his weakness on the Brexit issue is unforgivable and I've changed from quite liking and respecting him to wanting him gone asap in the last year or two. I'm sure I'm not alone in this and his chance of becoming PM has completely collapsed in my opinion.
Currently Labour are at 36%, 5 points behind the Tories (!)
'Don't know' currently beat Corbyn's number for 'who would make the best PM' - 35% for Don't know, vs 24% for Corbyn.
Those are terrible numbers by any standard.
In terms of Labour polling yougov are the outlier, everyone else has the around the same as the tories.
X leader is shite isn't having a effect on overall party polling.
It's not entirely surprising. He was marketing the hell out of himself to that demographic a year ago. The hype was always going to die down and his policies and actions would have to stand up to scrutiny.
I have always said I don't think he really wants to be PM. His career has been about being a thorn in the side of those in power and it seems to be what he enjoys.
True, probably been slightly off in my assessment there - still though, it's fairly worrying for the party insofar as people who have less faith in Corbyn are more likely to eventually turn away from Labour, and are going to be less likely to campaign for them. The latter would potentially be troubling for the party in that a significant advantage they held in the last election was the sheer numbers they could amass when it came to campaigning, especially in comparison to a lagging Tory party that's struggling to even attract semi-decent prospective MP's at the moment.
i bet that graph fits in almost perfectly with a second graph of people turning 25 and new 18 year olds who haven't paid attention to any elections
This Opinium poll from the 14th Oct echoes the YouGov poll.
yet the % who pick May remains around the same
Not saying it couldnt be a factor but its over a 16 month period so whilst the whole period is 84 months
so you would expect around 20% of those polled initially would have fallen out of the range
So the only way your hypothesis fits for a drop of 20% is to assume that everybody who dropped out of the sampling range before would have picked corbyn initially - which statistically simply wont be true - as i say its not discounting it entirely as a factor but clearly the graph does not fit perfectly with that
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For any Labour voters out there, you are not voting Labour, you are voting Momentum. The ‘For the many, not the few’ is their slogan not the Labour Party. They are , by their own admission , training ‘activists’ in persuasion style canvassing which in some constituencies means a brick through the window. Many long standing Labour MP’s have been harassed and bullied because they don’t agree with Jonathan Lansman the creator of the far far left Momentum. He is now on the NEC. The bloke behind the ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ wave of social media support from trendy lefties in Islington.
If you work in a decent job, then you will be tagerted by this lot when they get in God forbid. They are all on good salaries of course like the Union leaders and MP’s. Corbyn has been drawing an MP’s salary for decades and will have a storming pension too. Do as I say not as I do bunch of idealists. Never done a days work in their lives some of them. Nasty bunch and I predict some scandal will erupt one day involving Vladimir and co.
Frankly, they are all as bad as each other but Momentum is a shady bunch of fanatics.
If you work in a decent job, then you will be tagerted by this lot when they get in God forbid. They are all on good salaries of course like the Union leaders and MP’s. Corbyn has been drawing an MP’s salary for decades and will have a storming pension too. Do as I say not as I do bunch of idealists. Never done a days work in their lives some of them. Nasty bunch and I predict some scandal will erupt one day involving Vladimir and co.
Frankly, they are all as bad as each other but Momentum is a shady bunch of fanatics.