I’ve explained why I think this in detail elsewhere in the thread.
Fickle folk would be tearing into them if not for that winner.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Fickle folk would be tearing into them if not for that winner.
Not changed my view since Sevilla and it certainly won't change, Club before Manager.
I accept he'll probably be here now till the end of the season but unless we do something special he needs to go.
And special is not 'top fecking 4'
Hire a DOF, give him some funds for Jan to build long term.
Mourinho is not the option, we're back to square one. Virtually no improvements despite the considerable investment.
I accept he'll probably be here now till the end of the season but unless we do something special he needs to go.
And special is not 'top fecking 4'
Hire a DOF, give him some funds for Jan to build long term.
Mourinho is not the option, we're back to square one. Virtually no improvements despite the considerable investment.
Unlucky anti-Mourinho brigade
You got a bite in no time
Yes so unlucky - A Mourinho team with Martial- Rashford- Sanchez is the futureWHAT no target man? The guy is a gonner and simply managing the team the way the fans have wanted from the moment he steeped in to the club three years ago. He could have got the same results and gameplan if he had just started doing this from year one but instead went for Ibrahimovic & Lukaku to build Chelsea 3.0. Next up Pereira. Wont get a chance until Matic loses some height
I love the Jose fans - such fun
Yeah, the sarcasm was always going to be overlooked given the rest of your post.
To be honest, I watch football to see United 1) win and 2) play good football. We did that today so I couldn't give a toss about knowing the first XI prior to kick off.
We'll see about the rest. I'd hope we'd kick on from the last few performances and make something of the Juve game. I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post.
Are people really claiming Mourinho has improved Martial and defending their stance with, "he's better at tracking back now"?
Longer than that. I could see where our football was headed after six months. I was right, too.
I have no issue with Rashford getting stick. I think he’s in poor form, to be honest. But the way people change their opinions based on one flukey kick always makes for a good laugh.
As I said before, I think the final sub in particular was a poor one. I wanted to see an extra attacker at the expense of Matic and wasn’t happy about this even in spite of the goal. That goal 60 seconds from time doesn’t really change that.
Your last point is tosh, by the way. Even you know that.
He should already be gone, we are just treading water until top 4 is mathematically impossible and we'll finally be shot of him.
You missed my sarcasm so you’re moving the goalposts.
Unless you think Mourinho’s multi-million pound team (some of which was in the stands) wasn’t being outplayed by Ryan Fraser, Junior Stanislas and their mates in the first half?
Yeah, it is. But so was your initial point on the substitutions. They worked - the ultimate aim was to score a goal and not concede. We did both and thus, I don't see how you can claim that the substitutions (almost) didn't work. In fact, Rashford, a sub, should have scored within 10 minutes of coming on.
Rather you disagree with it. There are plenty of folk that weren’t happy when Sánchez was hooked while Matic stayed on. Few would vocalise that now. Even after winning my view on that hasn’t changed. Because that would be fickle.
Should I be embarrassed? I see football differently to those of Jose/ Chelsea FC and I find it funny when some fans are targeted to not wanting to see thatYou got a bite in no time
I’m still in the minority of those that think he shouldn’t be sacked yet and am pleased with the performance in the second half.
We’ve obviously got to address the first half performances in the recent games but the second half again showed all is not lost yet.
We won, and some very good performances from players who have yet to show their best form yet this season, for me another step in the right direction, hopefully we can continue build on it.
We’ve obviously got to address the first half performances in the recent games but the second half again showed all is not lost yet.
We won, and some very good performances from players who have yet to show their best form yet this season, for me another step in the right direction, hopefully we can continue build on it.
Matic has been largely poor but it'd be a huge risk leaving our defence exposed especially given that we've already conceding 18 goals this season. In all honesty, I wouldn't have made the sub, at all, as Sanchez didn't really deserve to come off and it wouldn't have been wise to take Matic out of the game. However, in the end, it worked out as we wanted it to, so I'm not complaining.
I have been one of the most vocal against Mourinho for quite a long time, but I will be the first to admit that we have improved a lot over the last few weeks. Today in the second half, we actually looked like a good football team again and could have scored 5 goals. But the way we start football games is simply not understandable, it's not even individual mistakes - it's just like we are still in the dressingroom at least until our opponent score. And this to me is something I more want to criticize the players for - rather than Mourinho.
So is it good enough ? No - but if Mourinho can find a way to get rid of the ridiculous defending - it might be.
So is it good enough ? No - but if Mourinho can find a way to get rid of the ridiculous defending - it might be.
Hes made us a genuine midtable side.
2nd last season?
Alot could change before december. We could be 3rd with some luck or locked at 7th.
It's too early
It's too early
7th right now.
I said it last year when we beat Everton confortable, a fluid front 3(no Lukaku) + pogba in advanced role is great for us, especially against smaller teams.Agansit bigger teams we should play
Lukaku and more defensive. We need to sell Lukaku, the guy is simply not good enough for a top club. He should go to Italy.
Lukaku and more defensive. We need to sell Lukaku, the guy is simply not good enough for a top club. He should go to Italy.
The project started by the chosen one will be completed by the special one.
He would have deserved a good thrashing for missing that chance - we almost lost two points because of that. Even the one he scored - he had let the chance go away with poor judgment - but his movement before that to get into the position he did was top drawer.
He hasn't scored for us in a while and his confidence was low. It happens. I hope that bit of luck helps him get his scoring boots back on...
It's something similar with Lukaku - i think he has the skills but needs confidence. Right now - he can buy a goal but doesn't mean he isn't a top striker.
That's a grim picture.
Pretty much this. The last few weeks we've played some pretty good football. Which at least shows he and we have it in us. Todays second half was our best yet in my opinion. I think hes absolutely right though. Its very hard to have confidence when you're so unstable. It really is about having a solid base. Defence is the best form of attack. And why "God" spunked 150 million on his defence. I also like that Lindelhof is showing some consistency now.
Switch Herrera for Matic and I think wed be a lot better. Fred Herrera Pogba, would be a good mix I reckon.
And imagine Perrera instead of Mata. Perhaps not all 4 starting the game. But that would be some sexy football.
11 games.
it is.
I've been thinking what Moyes, LVG and Mou had in common and I came up with 2 main issues
a- their career were already in decline. LVG had already been sacked by the biggest clubs he managed (second stint), Mourinho had left Real out of mutual consent and had just been sacked by Chelsea. Meanwhile rumours about Moyes taking Everton to his best of his abilities were already widespread in Liverpool and fans were already talking about change. That's a bit of a problem since it suggest that their tactics were already renowned and started to be countered.
b- They all suck in man management.
My first point is bad but its not necessarily a career killer. No matter how great a manager is, there comes a time when he becomes tactically obsolete. Even SAF himself admitted he was a bit of a tactical dinosaur. However you expect managers of such huge experience to compensate to that lack by motivating their players to sweat blood for them. Which makes the combination of both a killer.
I think that the next appointment will need us to take a managed risk.
a- we should bring in top quality football men (DOF, head of recruitment, even a joint CEO if needed)
b- once we've got the right people in place, we should focus on bringing in a rising star, someone whose ideas are fresh and hasn't yet been countered. Pochs would be the obvious choice, however I liked what I saw from the Howe guy
Nobody takes off a DM when chasing a winner though? If anything that would limit Pogba going forward and congest the space to play in?
Thats Wenger and his throw as many strikers on in a disjointed fashion way of thinking.
We were good today after the slow start. Should have won by a big margin.A question for those that still back him, lets say we make top 4. Do you keep him next season?
Leicester won the title a couple of seasons ago. Does that make them a top 4 contender, or are they a mid-table team?
Nice to see a fellow Naruto fan in this page.
We're 6/9 points off the top after what, 10/12 games played? Wtf is this negativity shi7?
All of us don't want Jose here, or want him to change his fecking approach and actually attack teams (even if we don't have the players to do that, but for the argument's sake and forum user satisfaction, let's say it is possible), but you must realize that the team's best chance for a top4 finish until the end of the season is sticking with the guy already in charge.
I don't get this comment. Most posters just want what is best for the club whether that's with Jose or not. If anything it's the pro-jose posters who are the 'I told you so types' who care more about being right.Unlucky anti-Mourinho brigade
Stay stay stay...........till the end of the season.
I back him and answer is no. Let's thank him for top 4 stability and part ways.
Top 4 and part ways is best. Have no interest in a Jose-led rebuild. What's the sales pitch? Endure awful losing football for the chance to one day enjoy awful winning football.
Isn't it both poles?
When we're losing - the anti rise and yell.
When we're winning - the pro rise and shout.
There are many more fans who are somewhere in the middle, or rather -- not in this spectrum at all.
Whilst we are picking up points we cannot let him go really. That being said I cannot see him being here beyond this season . Nor do I think we will make top 4 this season
Yeah,they'll say he played Sanchez over him for months to bench him into form and its worked
This.. and who know maybe we'll sneak a win snatch at the top. Anything can happen second half of this season. Also maybe getting the unfinished job-FA cup as the parting gift to the club. I just don't think the club is moving forward with him at the helm.
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