Both of these writers' names are literally an anagram of 'Oil Rev'...
Oil Money in Football | New City expose
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A big point of all this, is that City and PSG are getting away with bending the rules, but nobody else is!
Other clubs have been punished because they can’t afford to pay off UEFA.
If United had spent beyond their means by hiding payments all over the place, we’d have the book thrown at us!
Lol so Holt, who is obviously on City's payroll is going
"Oh well you know, if they are found guilty they were only trying to find a way around an already corrupt system so it's OK. Do we really want to punish such beautiful football guys? After all it's not their fault the system is against them"
Corrupt tosser.
"Oh well you know, if they are found guilty they were only trying to find a way around an already corrupt system so it's OK. Do we really want to punish such beautiful football guys? After all it's not their fault the system is against them"
Corrupt tosser.
Really? Is that global or U.K. figures?
According to varying reports, UEFA and Premier League seperatley are looking into this. How much that is just lip service and what they'll do remains to be seen but its important the pressure continues to be applied by clubs, football supporters and journalists (haha!).
I'm interested in knowing what this so called "reputation" City claim to have that these allegations are part of a plot to damage.
Nearly Christmas. They want another pay-off maybe.
It's actually not true, Mediapart are part of the Football Leaks and they have articles about how the UEFA have arbitrary application of the rules, with clubs like Inter, Monaco or Zenith among others that have seen their infractions swept under the carpet while others get banned, they used the example of Inter doing worse than Milan while only the latter got a ban.
Also according to the leaks, it's a group of four clubs that literally make the rules, Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus. I remember that two french journalist specifically mentioned that United and Arsenal for example, carefully stay away from these shenanigans though.
Edit: In a confidential presentation, the UEFA recognize that there is a concentration issue and that the competition is skewed in favor of the big clubs, then they talk about how a cap would fix it but that it was too harsh on the big clubs and that there was no financial incentives for them.
If the leaks are genuine, the all thing is a sham.
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That’s pretty damning, though if I’m honest the PL has gotten boring in the last two years for me. A combination of City being miles ahead of everyone else, and the smaller teams being more cannon fodder than anything else. Every game in the PL used to be a battle, but you get much less upsets these days IMO. La Liga has become more entertaining than the PL IMO. More upsets, no one team steamrolling everyone. I’ll probably be shot for that opinion now.global
but I have local charts
but according to this link
TV ratings was better for last season than 2016-2017 season
https://www.insidesport.co/premier-...er-upsurge-following-2016-17-season-collapse/
TV ratings was better for last season than 2016-2017 season
https://www.insidesport.co/premier-...er-upsurge-following-2016-17-season-collapse/
@JPRouve that's interesting, but anything on why United stay in the background?
Actually United joined the cartel at some point along with Arsenal and Milan AC. The Mediapart article mentions that those 3 weren't mentioned anymore in the the emails after a first draft of a Superleague organized by Relevent Sports was discussed in a meeting in Barcelona but didn't come through.
I'm not responsible for how your fans protest.
From reading what you just wrote as a retort, I suggest you shouldn't be either.
He is right the leaks say that in March 2016 in Barcelona, they joined the "Seven aristocrats" but all three allegedly left quickly without explaining why. And I have never read why they weren't in it from the beginning or why they left quickly.
Something that is also important to remember for the people who talks about banning City or PSG, the historic clubs want both clubs in their hypothetical super leagues and in the last leaks, they even want them among the founding members(shareholders).
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I’m not reading it either but the state of that Holt prick with articles like that.
Scumbag.
False equivalence between the present day human rights abuses in the UAE and centuries old issues. You're clutching at straws. By your logic we shouldn't trade with Italy because of atrocities committed by the Roman Empire.
Out of interest, what are your thoughts on the main allegations recently highlighted by Der Spiegel which are; false sponsorship figures, player wages worth £30m paid from 3rd party companies to reduce City wage bill and Mancini being given an advisor role in Abu Dhabi to more than double his wage from City?
100% spot on.
Some actually read the stuff, good on you.
If City gets away with this again then I'm done with football. At the very least they should be banned from participation in European cups and relegated.
A question for City fans.
If it had been for example, Leeds United that had been bought by your owners, rather than yourselves, would you be similarly disgusted about the situation?
It really could have been any club that they bought. Newcastle or West Ham...
Same Question to PSG fans and Lyon had the investment, not you?
If it had been for example, Leeds United that had been bought by your owners, rather than yourselves, would you be similarly disgusted about the situation?
It really could have been any club that they bought. Newcastle or West Ham...
Same Question to PSG fans and Lyon had the investment, not you?
PSG fans don't need to imagine it, it was the case with Marseille in the late 80s-early 90s.
I'm not a fan of the owners but I'd not be against Leeds / mags whoever spending shit tons of cash.
I think the modern 'big' clubs have bought the city / psg clubs on themselves, them and UEFA have created the monsters that city and PSG are with the money and visibility the CL brings.
I don't think the clubs who wanted to break away from the Football League ever envisaged how big the PL would become, ditto the Champions League
The money I can look past and the corruption doesn't surprise me, it's the other stuff that is unforgivable.
By the way I don't know if anyone saw it but there is an other leak about City regarding african players and third party ownership. It's behind a paywall, so I can't see it.
Definitely a fair point. Owners like them were probably inevitable sooner or later. Them having more money isn't really a problem, thats just standard fare really with the sport. They've hastened an existing slide down the toilet.
As @JPRouve says there's nothing to imagine, French football has a long history with sugar daddies, often at the expense of PSG, sure it's always annoying to have richer competitors than you but that's part of the game.
L1 being raided by the likes of MU, Real Barca, Bayern, Juve, Milan has always been disgusting, some mediocre Italian clubs in the 90s and basically all the EPL nowadays doing the same make it even worse. I've had more issues with that than another French club having more money.
Sugar daddies, not Sugar Sharia States with infinite wealth. Nobody would have an issue with teams being competitive, but subsidised monopoly is immoral.
Monopoly on what? They've won the league once in the past 4 seasons, and only three times total since their takeover. Chelsea were more dominant for the 10 years following their takeover by Roman than City have been.
The regime and human rights issues are for me the only arguments that should be universal. There is a clear issue in that department.
Ironic that the thing the City owners probably want the most is respect, yet they're further away than they've ever been.
Because FFP kept them within the realms of sporting normality for a few years, and St Pep finished third despite still having some of the best players in the league....then they began to ‘generate’ a ‘profit’ so could spend circa £200m on defenders and goalkeepers in the transfer windows of 2017/18, and proceed to make the league a one camel race.
The correlation between unprecedented spending and the quantum leap ahead of every other team is there to observe. Clubs like Spurs and Liverpool are having to have record starts to Premier League seasons to even keep within touching distance, and will likely fall short with their credible sporting projects because of the advantage Arab wealth gives City.
United lose Pogba, Fellaini comes in; City lose De Bruyne and can replace him with Bernardo and Gundogan, who’d be key starters for every other team in the league. City’s reserve defenders of Kompany, Danilo and Otamendi are the kind of players Mourinho would love in his defence, but he has to make do with Young, Smalling and Lindelöf....and Sane, the young player of the year, and who has been reduced to an impact sub this season by the £60m signing of Mahrez, would be a star man for every other team. With such context, it’s obvious why City are winning, and it’s exclusively because the Arabs can finance it, along with the hiring of one of the best coaches in the world.
The ememies of football indeed.
Every single game is a battle for us at the moment, even against so-called lesser sides.
And that's what makes watching Utd so exciting!
(it really doesn't though)
Oh f*ck off.Football365 said:
+1
Watching the Monaco-PSG game (if it can even be called that) and it really hits home how oil money has destroyed the French league as a competition - the disparity between the clubs is absolutely shocking. PSG with a forward line of Mbappe-Cavani-Neymar against a back four of Monaco containing a 17 year old kid who has been forced to make his debut as they didn't have enough players. His last game was at U19 level and now he's playing against >£350 million worth of strikers 
Not to mention the league standings - with 13 games played, PSG are 13 points clear of second-placed Lille. Surely this cannot be considered a competition - was more like an exhibition game tonight, and you can see why the Oil-fueled club is keen on joining a European super league. They have nothing to play for here, it doesn't even feel like competition. It's something you see on FIFA career mode on Amateur difficulty.
The only reason why the Premier League hasn't gone the same way and Chelsea/ City aren't dominating is because of the rich and successful histories of Liverpool, Arsenal and United (which have allowed them to be financially competitive) - and because of the TV money the PL receives allowing them to be at least semi-competitive. Even then City could blow any team out of the water financially, through no effort nor history of their own. You can see things going the way of the French league though, if you look at this season and the last - the trend is being set.
FFP my arse.
Not to mention the league standings - with 13 games played, PSG are 13 points clear of second-placed Lille. Surely this cannot be considered a competition - was more like an exhibition game tonight, and you can see why the Oil-fueled club is keen on joining a European super league. They have nothing to play for here, it doesn't even feel like competition. It's something you see on FIFA career mode on Amateur difficulty.
The only reason why the Premier League hasn't gone the same way and Chelsea/ City aren't dominating is because of the rich and successful histories of Liverpool, Arsenal and United (which have allowed them to be financially competitive) - and because of the TV money the PL receives allowing them to be at least semi-competitive. Even then City could blow any team out of the water financially, through no effort nor history of their own. You can see things going the way of the French league though, if you look at this season and the last - the trend is being set.
FFP my arse.
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I am so, so tired of everyone proclaiming Pep as a genius.
Genius, is what SAF did during United’s glory years. On a realistic budget and mixing in players that were not necessarily brilliant, but they worked as part of a team.
What Pep does is attainable by any half decent manager on the unlimited (and mostly undeclared) budget that City have.
Yeah, it’s great to implement a system where every player can pass the ball brilliantly and get away with cynical fouls when they lose the ball. But that doesn’t come cheap. Every other team has numerous fillers in their 1st 11. City don’t. They have a bench full of players that walk into every other team in the league.
Pep failed miserably in his first season, all things considered. Then he was given what he asked for to improve the squad.
I’m not going to defend Jose in any way. This team has underperformed terribly. But anyone that thinks City are ‘good’ for the game are living in la-la land.
Pep is great with a squad that is head and shoulders above every other team in the league. But he could never have done what SAF did with United, or Jose did with Porto and Inter. Or even what Ranieri did with Leicester.
The only thing I’ll give him credit for, is being very selective and picking situations that can’t fail.
Genius, is what SAF did during United’s glory years. On a realistic budget and mixing in players that were not necessarily brilliant, but they worked as part of a team.
What Pep does is attainable by any half decent manager on the unlimited (and mostly undeclared) budget that City have.
Yeah, it’s great to implement a system where every player can pass the ball brilliantly and get away with cynical fouls when they lose the ball. But that doesn’t come cheap. Every other team has numerous fillers in their 1st 11. City don’t. They have a bench full of players that walk into every other team in the league.
Pep failed miserably in his first season, all things considered. Then he was given what he asked for to improve the squad.
I’m not going to defend Jose in any way. This team has underperformed terribly. But anyone that thinks City are ‘good’ for the game are living in la-la land.
Pep is great with a squad that is head and shoulders above every other team in the league. But he could never have done what SAF did with United, or Jose did with Porto and Inter. Or even what Ranieri did with Leicester.
The only thing I’ll give him credit for, is being very selective and picking situations that can’t fail.
Great post. I've been saying this for a while, I can't call Pep Guardiola an all time great until he goes to a club where he's actually challenged. All three clubs he's managed in his career have been almost perfect jobs for him. I would love to see him go and challenge himself by taking on an underdog team with a small budget and a squad that needs re-built. It would be fascinating to see what he could do without a world class player in nearly every position.
Watching the analysis by graham souness after was annoying to say the least. He asked Gary Neville how had their been such a turnaround in 10 years? The answer being blatantly obvious given the recent articles for everyone except that sky studio:
United have had a billion wrongly taken out of the club after selling one of the best ever players by their owners, all the while, spending (hard earned, legitimate money) within their means and showing profits due to ffp.
Meanwhile, city have had 2 billion pumped into them while cheating the ffp rules, which allowed them to spend 50m on bench players and buy more next time if they don’t work out. Even now, their profits are fake, inflated by their owners hidden money.
It’s just wrong. If graham souness isn’t a complete moron then he has zero back bone in acting oblivious to the reality. It doesn’t surprise me really knowing the way sky are, commercial, contrived, choreographed, plastic.
United have had a billion wrongly taken out of the club after selling one of the best ever players by their owners, all the while, spending (hard earned, legitimate money) within their means and showing profits due to ffp.
Meanwhile, city have had 2 billion pumped into them while cheating the ffp rules, which allowed them to spend 50m on bench players and buy more next time if they don’t work out. Even now, their profits are fake, inflated by their owners hidden money.
It’s just wrong. If graham souness isn’t a complete moron then he has zero back bone in acting oblivious to the reality. It doesn’t surprise me really knowing the way sky are, commercial, contrived, choreographed, plastic.
"Fifa is investigating allegations Manchester City broke rules banning third-party ownership in their links with Danish club FC Nordsjaelland.
On Thursday, Danish newspaper Politiken claimed City had signed an agreement with the Superliga side allowing them to recruit African players for free"
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46159075