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Just read this article by Sid Lowe, raving about him. Tbh I’ve never heard of the bloke before.

And yet in the last 10 years – in the last 14 months, in his case – there is only one manager who has won at the Bernabéu and the Camp Nou and it’s Setién. Not even Diego Simeone has done that. His Betis have also won at the Sánchez Pizjuán, where they scored five. Oh, and at San Siro.
Is he likely to end up at a bigger club? Should our bigger club, in particular, be keeping an eye on his career?
 

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When Joaquín scored the second, standing alone on the penalty spot, he was one of six Betis players in the Barcelona area. All over the pitch, they seemed to outnumber Barcelona, pressing high, going man to man and then dashing past their opponents, an unstoppable tide. “A green and white hurricane,” El Mundo Deportivo called them. It was, said the cover of Sport, a “lesson.” “They played a risky style, with lots of people ahead of the ball and not many behind it, and we didn’t deal with it well,” Ernesto Valverde said.
Would make a nice change, in terms of tactics, that’s for sure!
 

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How did Betis beat Barcelona? Was told on here yesterday you can't beat teams who spend more money than you, just hope for a plucky defeat.

But yes, oh for a manager that isn't a coward and allows his team to cross the half way line at tough venues.
 

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I went to watch Betis whilst staying in Seville a couple of months ago. I must have caught them on an off day because they were very ordinary
 

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How did Betis beat Barcelona? Was told on here yesterday you can't beat teams who spend more money than you, just hope for a plucky defeat.

But yes, oh for a manager that isn't a coward and allows his team to cross the half way line at tough venues.
Oh for a manager sitting 12th in La Liga.
 

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I felt he would've been a good successor to Luis Enrique. Said the following in May 2017
Quique Setién.

The detractors of Luis Enrique have criticised his propensity to be reliant on his attacking trident, with not enough emphasis on midfield. Irrespective if the transfers were down to him, the acquisitions of Rakitic, Turan, and Gomes has seen him lambasted for favouring physical midfielders, which has led to Barcelona having a paucity of options of those that can function as a metronome. As a result, Barcelona have been inconspicuous at times this season. Conversely, Las Palmas play a brand of football that would have those associated with Barcelona, enamoured. In La Liga, Quique Setién's Las Palmas average the second highest possession. For a team that are in adversity, in comparison to the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona, they're far from docile, accumulating draws against Real Marid 2-2 and 3-3 respectively, with Las Palmas having more possession on both occasions, coming back from trailing 3-0 down at half time despite having 71% possession and then coming back to make the game 3-3. Not quite Barcelona overturning a 4-0 deficit to PSG, but nonetheless enough to make neutrals that watched the game to feel rampantly optimistic. Perhaps the following streameable encapsulates Las Palmas enthralling audiences.


Furthermore, a sizeable number of academy prospects still linger in the purgatory of success and failure having struggled to break through into the first team without condemning themselves entirely, with perhaps the most notable example being Grimaldo, who left in acrimonious circumstances, in the sense that his contract wasn't renewed allowing him to leave in January, no buy back clause, he didn't make a single appearance for the Barcelona first team, with Luis Enrique preferring experienced alternatives to Alba in Adriano and Jérémy Mathieu and of course the fact that this was in spite of the fact that he was highly rated. Quique Setién predominantly has three established (probably 27 +) academy players (Mesa, Viera and Gomez as the CDM, LCM, RCM just like Barcelona had players who came from the academy as the CDM, LCM, RCM in Busquets, Iniesta, and Xavi) who are integral to the side for ball retention purposes, and he's voiced his frustration at the preference of physical players at youth level, as exemplified by "now I see that players are starting to work on tactical aspects from an early age,” he says. “After half an hour there are guys who have not touched the ball. Every day they are allowed to dribble less, and the taller boys are privileged.” In this way, you can see how he shares some of the ideologies of Johan Cruyff.


As a manager Quique Setién hasn't won anything. However, having won trophies isn't paramount when it comes to being a candidate for being the manager of Barcelona. In 2008, Mourinho was a manager that had won the Champions League and Europa League at Porto, and on the league twice in the Premiership, but according to the 9 point checklist drawn by Ferran Soriano and Txiki Begiristain he didn't meet as much of the criteria as Guardiola, who had only been managing the B team for a year. This is derived from only two of the 9 points being related to football, with the other 7 being about culture. Enrique guided Roma to their worst league finish in a decade, as they failed to qualify for any European campaign, although he did take Celta Vigo to a top 10 finish who just finished above relegation the previous season. Similarly, Setién took promoted side to 11th when the odds were that they would be one of the sides that were relegated back to the Segunda. Quique Setién is Spanish, has La Liga experience, and values the culture of Barcelona.
 

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Has anyone actually watched Betis this season before the Barcelona match?
I've watched a few games. Last season more as they were one of the most interesting teams to watch in the main european leagues and had so many high scoring games, a 6-4 home defeat to Valencia was a classic.

This season until last two weeks their games have been more low scoring so guess with the increased ambitions they need a better defensive structure to compete for CL place with likes of Sevilla.

Now the goals are flowing, 7 against Celta and Barca and they've also got Carvalho and Lo Celso properly integrated into the starting 11 as both were subs until a few games ago.

As for his future prospects maybe Barca could be an option but I actually can see him being next Spain manager iftiming is right as Luis Enrique will surely be tempted back into club football before too long. Guess Rafa Benitez could be an option for that job aswell.

Quique Setien was a pretty good player back in the 80s.
 

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I was wondering when he was going to start getting more attention after taking Betis to sixth place last season playing good Football.
 

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Oh for a manager sitting 12th in La Liga.
It's true they had a slow start to the season but they are picking up now and have plenty of winnable games up to new year. Show me a team in La Liga who's played to their true potential aswell...Valencia, two wins all season. Villareal, just above the bottom 3. Barca and the Madrid teams have their various issues.

Think only Sevilla can be truly happy with how their season has gone so far.
 

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Sounds like the sort of manager I’d love to have after Mourinho.

Give him the time and money other star managers have had, Can’t do any worse.
 

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I was at the Barca - Betis game and they were extremely impressive and could have quite easily scored more than 4 at the Camp Nou. Barca seemed to be incredibly easy to open up, but they countered very well.

No idea what they are like on a weekly basis, but do know they have are doing well in the EL.
 

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Just read this article by Sid Lowe, raving about him. Tbh I’ve never heard of the bloke before.



Is he likely to end up at a bigger club? Should our bigger club, in particular, be keeping an eye on his career?
He's 60. It's now or never for him.
 

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Barcelona have lost their fear factor. The team in 19th place outplayed them last weekend but Barca managed to rob them in the end. Betis outplayed Barca now quite easily. Barcelona's midfield was incredibly pathetic, especially Busquets who managed a measly 70% pass completion, almost 20% less than his mirror opponent William Carvalho whom the Spanish commentators said, that actually watch Betis every week, had his best match for Betis by far.

I saw goal nr. 2 mentioned. That goal summed Barca up. The midfield was still nowhere to be seen when Joaquín put the ball in the net and all of the Barca back 4 was on the 6 yard box marking a single player and not paying attention to the rest. Really not an envious match for them to play as their front 6 did absolutely nothing defensively. They managed so somehow scored 3 goals but those last two league games were worse than anything United had done this season despite them managing to score 5 goals and win one (that's where spending hundreds of millions and having Messi comes into play).

Tactically Betis were excellent. Players played their role really well and I could have seen them keep a clean sheet if not for a stupid foul from Tello like that to give Barca a pen. Overall they also created more chances and were dangerous on the ball because Barca didn't defend which left the wing backs wide open all match. Lo Celso was very mobile and Carvalho was like a vintage Yaya Toure.

You've often seen teams approach a Barca game with good tactics but not the confidence but there's a difference this season. People play to win and it's the same against Real.
 

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All while (trying) to play possession football. I'm loving it. Rooting for Betis to go for a deep cup run, be it EL or Copa del Rey.
 

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I watched the game yesterday. Setién is suited to Spanish Football or La Liga. Imo when Valverde leaves Barcelona they should hire him. His aproach to football is more suited to the Barcelona way.

This season they have been more inconsistent, Carvalho and Lo Celso are improving recently on midfield, Guardado is important to cover them, but they have some weaknesses.

The first is they feel more confortable playing against teams like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Celta or Milan, than Levante, Valladolid or Getafe? Why? Because against those teams they have more space to play, while against the other types of teams they happily let them have the ball and wait for their mistakes.

I think he is a purist regarding possession football, guess his inspiration is Cruyff. The other weakness is they don't have reliable goalscorers upfront, only Loren or Sanabria. Of course when everything flows Lo Celso, Canales, Junior or Joaquin can make damage :drool:, because William like any portuguese midfielder can't shoot to save his life :lol:

Now seriously, while I think United seriously needs someone with fresh ideas, for me Setién approach only has one name: Barcelona. Not even Real Madrid for that matter.

Eddie Howe or Pochettino :wenger:
 
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It's really quite depressing seeing that Betis have a midfield of Carvalho, Lo Celso, Canales and Guardado, while we have to watch Matic every week.
 

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Just read this article by Sid Lowe, raving about him. Tbh I’ve never heard of the bloke before.



Is he likely to end up at a bigger club? Should our bigger club, in particular, be keeping an eye on his career?
And yet in the last 10 years – in the last 14 months, in his case – there is only one manager who has won at the Bernabéu and the Camp Nou and it’s Setién. Not even Diego Simeone has done that. His Betis have also won at the Sánchez Pizjuán, where they scored five. Oh, and at San Siro.
Well, it should be also mentioned that we have seen some of the worst Real Madrid and Barcelona versions of the last 10 years during the last 14 months. And Milan's level is not better than that of course.

He still should be given credit for that, but what about the rest of games if Betis are in the 12th position?

Sid Lowe seems to like this kind of coaches who love Cruyff no matter what they win. He also liked Lillo, but Lillo is nowhere to be seen.
 

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It's really quite depressing seeing that Betis have a midfield of Carvalho, Lo Celso, Canales and Guardado, while we have to watch Matic every week.
Tbh only recently Carvalho has been improving and he never was known for being consistent. Lo Celso yes, he looks revigorated playing for Setién, don't think this type of players would thrive under Mourinho tbh. He likes more physical players.

While its true Matic doesn't look good, reality is Herrera should play more, Fred should already be playing more and on and on. Regarding this topic already said, Pochettino or Eddie Howe would suit more United imo. Setién is made for La Liga imo.

@GatoLoco reason why I say Setién is made for Barcelona, not Real Madrid or United.
 

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Mentioned him on here many, many months ago. Nice to see him get some recognition.
 

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Well, it should be also mentioned that we have seen some of the worst Real Madrid and Barcelona versions of the last 10 years during the last 14 months. And Milan's level is not better than that of course.

He still should be given credit for that, but what about the rest of games if Betis are in the 12th position?

Sid Lowe seems to like this kind of coaches who love Cruyff no matter what they win. He also liked Lillo, but Lillo is nowhere to be seen.
The difference between them in 12th and Real Madrid in 6th is 4 points. They are closer to Real in 6th than Leganes in 18th. Thats how tight it is in the middle and at the top too. So its not a great reflection of anything. Full disclosure: I havent seen them play, just pointing out the position in table is not a great indicator in a tight league.
 

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Tbh only recently Carvalho has been improving and he never was known for being consistent. Lo Celso yes, he looks revigorated playing for Setién, don't think this type of players would thrive under Mourinho tbh. He likes more physical players.

While its true Matic doesn't look good, reality is Herrera should play more, Fred should already be playing more and on and on. Regarding this topic already said, Pochettino or Eddie Howe would suit more United imo. Setién is made for La Liga imo.

@GatoLoco reason why I say Setién is made for Barcelona, not Real Madrid or United.
I have been saying for a long time that we have the players to perform a pressing midfield, Pereira/Fred/Herrera should be playing but we aren't going to see that with Mourinho in charge. I think we need a younger manager than Setien, someone that we can afford to give plenty of time to completely change the way the club runs from top to bottom along with a DoF. We need full scale changes to get back to where we once were.
 

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I have been saying for a long time that we have the players to perform a pressing midfield, Pereira/Fred/Herrera should be playing but we aren't going to see that with Mourinho in charge. I think we need a younger manager than Setien, someone that we can afford to give plenty of time to completely change the way the club runs from top to bottom along with a DoF. We need full scale changes to get back to where we once were.
I know this isn't entirely related with the topic, but before hiring a new manager United should hire a DOF. Everton signed a new one this Summer from PSV, Brands and they did good business this Summer. If anything the only players probably Silva indicated to them was Richarlison and maybe Andre Gomes.
 

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Tbh only recently Carvalho has been improving and he never was known for being consistent. Lo Celso yes, he looks revigorated playing for Setién, don't think this type of players would thrive under Mourinho tbh. He likes more physical players.

While its true Matic doesn't look good, reality is Herrera should play more, Fred should already be playing more and on and on. Regarding this topic already said, Pochettino or Eddie Howe would suit more United imo. Setién is made for La Liga imo.

@GatoLoco reason why I say Setién is made for Barcelona, not Real Madrid or United.
Why should Herrera play more? He was dreadful yesterday, he's a likeable bench player, no more. Fred I don't know, maybe he needs time to adapt but he hasn't shown much so far. Yesterday would have been a good chance for him to show what he's made of though it's true.
 

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Why should Herrera play more? He was dreadful yesterday, he's a likeable bench player, no more. Fred I don't know, maybe he needs time to adapt but he hasn't shown much so far. Yesterday would have been a good chance for him to show what he's made of though it's true.
And why most of the players have been dreadfull may I ask? And I will not turn this into another Mourinho thread, this is more related to Setién as someone to look where I made my point.

If you want to believe the only problem United has is explained by the lack of quality from the players fine. I may think the training sessions or football concept might explain why Matic is awfull, why Herrera doesn't perform, why Fred can't perform, why Pereira doesn't play more.

Before getting rid of the entire squad better find someone competent to improve them. Because this version of Mourinho doesn't improve nobody. Don't say nothing more about the players or Mourinho, Setién now.
 

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And why most of the players have been dreadfull may I ask? And I will not turn this into another Mourinho thread, this is more related to Setién as someone to look where I made my point.

If you want to believe the only problem United has is explained by the lack of quality from the players fine. I may think the training sessions or football concept might explain why Matic is awfull, why Herrera doesn't perform, why Fred can't perform, why Pereira doesn't play more.

Before getting rid of the entire squad better find someone competent to improve them. Because this version of Mourinho doesn't improve nobody.
But Herrera has never performed consistently well so I don't really get your point. What other top team would he start for?
 

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But Herrera has never performed consistently well so I don't really get your point. What other top team would he start for?
The point is not Herrera, none of the other players perform to their level.
 

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I said this in February in a response to @Ban as to why i listed him as a potential José replacement:

I think he gets his teams playing fantastic football. Both at Betis and during his time at Las Palmas. Not every manager we should consider appointing should be serial winners because not every manager has had the opportunity to manage a team that is capable of such things.
Well, we'll agree to disagree. If these unproven managers get their teams playing as well as they do with the limited budgets they have, I believe they could do so much more with a budget of Uniteds combined with some already very good players. I'm not saying they're a guaranteed success but who knows.

We've hired 3 managers in a row who are/were stuck in the dark ages when it comes to tactics. We need to evolve. I was a Pellegrini fan in 12/13 but if I had suggested hiring him you'd say the same thing now, but he was given a chance at a club with big resources at City and won the title.

Quique Setién is by no means my first choice but I'd prefer him over José.

I would still welcome him. He's not my first choice, but he'd be a welcome change to our 3 negative managers post Fergie. It's about to we hired a manager in their prime or close to it who also opt for progressive football.

(Also, yes, I know Pellegrini got a shot at a big club in Madrid before joining City :p )

Problem is he's similar to van Gaal with his patient build up play, so if it doesn't come together we could end up with a similar team in terms of boredom and, after already going through it with van Gaal, things could get unpleasant. I do think he's more up to date than Louis was in terms of using said possession with a purpose of attack so, even though it'd be by no means a certainty, I'd be pretty optimistic.
 

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The difference between them in 12th and Real Madrid in 6th is 4 points. They are closer to Real in 6th than Leganes in 18th. Thats how tight it is in the middle and at the top too. So its not a great reflection of anything. Full disclosure: I havent seen them play, just pointing out the position in table is not a great indicator in a tight league.
You are right, being 12th after only 12 games doesn't reflect much, either for good or for bad. And in all honesty it has to be said Betis finished 6th last season which is a very good achievement all things considered.

Anyway I cannot help but think there are many journalists in Spain who tend to overhype this kind of coach who praises Cruyff's style, no matter if the results are good or not. It happened with Paco Jémez, Valdano, Cappa, Lillo, Víctor Fernández and now Quique Setién. I don't know for certain but I think Sid Lowe is influenced by that stream of thought, or at least it seemed evident in Lillo's case.
 

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@Yagami don't know if you had the chance to read what I said before but its relatively easy to see his approach to football is more suited to Barcelona, not even Real Madrid. Don't see him leaving La Liga, only on the last few seasons he started to be on the spotlight in Spain. There are so many good managers for United to choose, don't think Setién as romantic as he is would work now.
 
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If we had a sporting director who knew a thing or two about football this bloke would be someone we'd be keeping tabs on. Instead if you asked Woodward what he thought about Quique Setien he'd ask what type of food it was
 

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The point is not Herrera, none of the other players perform to their level.
I was quoting a post where you said Herrera should play more so surely that was exactly the point...never mind.
 

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I was quoting a post where you said Herrera should play more so surely that was exactly the point...never mind.
And I keep my point even if it is different than saying this or other players are the best players in the League. But they are certainly better than Watford or Bournemouth players.
 

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@Yagami don't know if you had the chance to read what I said before but its relatively easy to see his approach to football is more suited to Barcelona, not even Real Madrid. Don't see him leaving La Liga, only on the last few seasons he started to be on the spotlight in Spain. There are so many good managers for united to choose, don't think Setién as romantic as he is would work now.
I did see your post and completely agree with you. His style is best suited to Barca, and I can't see him leaving La Liga either, but this is the football i want to see United play. I want us to dominate possession and inflict our game on others instead of reacting to our opposition.

as you know, it'd be a risk, but I'd have faith that we'd enjoy some good times under him. For me, there isn't much choice now that Sarri, Klopp and Pep are all taken. Aside from Setién, there's probably only a couple of other managers I'd be in favour of that are maybe gettable. First is Pochettino who is my first choice but completely unlikely. Then there's Hasenhuttl who'd be a huge risk and wouldn't be considered anyway. Then there's Zidane, Jardim, Blanc, all of whom I'm uncertain over. It's slim pickings at the moment.