To an extent I think most great managers operate off stubbornness to a certain extent - their ability to go against the grain and make seemingly unpopular decisions that end up being wise calls is what sets them apart from the average football fan who knows a ton about the game but wouldn't cut it as a manager at all. The problem is that (in a lot of cases) the managerial genius which propelled said manager to the top begins to dry up as the game changes, and the stubbornness which was once a virtue instead further hinders an already flailing manager.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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I think most managers could come in and do a better job, we're in a worse position than under Moyes..
Jardim and Zidane are available, although I feel a D.O.F is needed, a wage restructuring which is nigh on impossible is needed & a long term plan.
Muppet me wants Howe now as crazy as that is but after reading that Bournemonth supporters history of him he honestly sounds like a good fit.
Remember a post match interview where Jose complained about managers nowadays being head coaches. Think his message was clear. Jose is a world class MANAGER but bloody Ed Woodward is trying to force him to be a coach. How could Jose be blamed for the team being badly coached? If anything we should be looking at his COACHES.
Yeah because Henry has taken them over and done much better. Perhaps Monaco are just shite?
Anyway not saying he's the man for the job, but I feel like he'd do a better job than Mourinho currently.
At a push maybe, but that Christmas spell in 15-16 was far worse than anything we've seen under Mourinho. Albeit Mourinho seems determined to run him close this season...Nah I remember our defeat by Midgetland just as well. With Donald Love making his debut and all that.
I'm not saying it was great under LVG. I'm saying when we had good days under LVG, they were better than the good days under Mourinho.
Tbf, they both came in a very short lived run of excellent form in LVGs first season. The dull stuff came the following season.
He’s had 3 seasons to buy some that could
Most likely, yeah.
Or maybe Henry's someone who's never coached before taking over a dysfunctional team. We signed Mourinho in eerily similar circumstances, with the calibre of manager he's up against Jadrim would be a huge risk.
Such a false dawn, was frankly bizarre. Only real time we've looked a top team since SAF, just so, so short-lived.
Because neither man has done a good enough job for us? This isn't somehow unique to us - plenty of football clubs have had more than one big manager come in and end up doing poorly for them. LVG's failings don't somehow mean that our current predicament absolves Mourinho of any blame.
Again, it's my opinion or rather my memory of things (and was in the original post). I'm well aware others feel differently.
No top player has wanted to join us since Fergie left.
Pogba at a push. Di Maria and Sanchez were good elsewhere but they came for the money.
He’s been a spectre at this club for too long. When LVG and Moyes were here some of the biggest threads were about Mourinho. I am so happy he has almost gone and been proven to be a fraud. Just hope he doesn’t destroy too many of our players on the way out.
Monaco is still shite with Henry. The problem wasn't in their manager.
I don't want to repeat it but Liverpool got Klopp after a season in which he fought for relegation for more than half a season before barely finishing 7th.
Time to get a manager who we know is going to coach the players to attack properly.
Of course we can go on and hire the shiniest name in Zidane then wonder 3 seasons in charge why we look incoherent and without any tactical plan, because Zidane doesn't have any definitive style and he loves crossing, so Young and Fellaini will remain our main players AGAIN instead of getting a proper coach will teach these players how to attack on ground.
Indeed, we were starting to push for 2nd and it looked like the time was really gelling. Alas...
I have no idea, I'm just a simple fan of the club everyone else around here.
It's the boards job to find a suitable replacement.
Most clubs who keep having managers who fail are usually poorly run clubs with poor players.
Scored 49 goals in the 15/16 season though.
The 14/15 season was pretty good due to those games but nothing came close the following season.
You see that blod part actually pretty much kills your previous arguments that it's not Mouinho, it's the players and that board are penny pinching .
You see by your own admission Mourinho's signings are crap, which means Mourinho himself has contributed to our squad being shiit (in your opinion) which in result renders your "it's not Mourinho's fault, players are shiit" argument invalid.
Then again the fact Mourinho has had 400 million to spend on signings since he has been appointed the manager of Manchester United and he spent them on again by your admission "shiit" players renders your 2nd argument invalid.
Yeah, of course...not saying your opinions necessarily wrong, of course, just that I tend to find when most people play down how bad the LVG era was they often forget how grim things were at certain points in 15-16 - but again others can disagree with that. Sometimes it felt like 1-1 draws were something to celebrate purely because we were getting to see games that didn't finish 0-0.
It was pretty toxic under Moyes too.
I actually wish it was the international break again. I enjoy watching England play attacking football with a clear identity. We are absolute trash.
A whopping three managers. One of which shouldn't even count because he was so far out of depth to begin with.
Do you have faith in the board to find a great coach, support him fully, bring him in the right players and allow him the time when the players don't perform for him?
They’ve all come for money. Mourinho and money is the problem
All the talk of LVG remind me of how he recovered after that nightmare December and almost qualified for Champions league til the last day and won the FA Cup. If the club back Jose in the winter window and sign the players he need, we can see a similar run as to one under LVG.
Sacking Jose now is foolish if the best alternative is Conte. Let him see out the season and rebuild properly next summer.
Sacking Jose now is foolish if the best alternative is Conte. Let him see out the season and rebuild properly next summer.
Mourinho hasn't even been a manager for more than a single season before managing United and you go around talking about a typical head coach as a WC manager.
I detest everything about the man, from his personality to his manager style. I don't care about his past achievements, for me he's one of the worst managers in the world. An absolute fraud.
Compare his attacking options compared to now though, it's night and day.
He had a drunk Rooney, Walking Injured Falcao and an over the hill RVP.
Only towards the end when we had Rashford / Martial start playing regularly did we start hitting some decent form.
Anyway LVG wasn't the right man, neither is Jose.
I want a manager whos actually positive and not a egomaniac.
"Sakho and Tomkins are world class defenders, absolutely fantastic. I wish I had defenders like that in my team"
Horrendous that we couldn't even beat Crystal Palace at home.
Horrendous that we couldn't even beat Crystal Palace at home.
Although in fairness, he had an injury crisis and Monaco made 750mill in player signings in 1/2 seasons and virtually none of that got put back in the team.
Or they're clubs who haven't made the correct managerial appointments.
Since Fergie left, we've made three. Moyes was never good enough, and never was going to be. LVG was a talented manager but also a stubborn one who, despite his credentials, had a managerial history which included crashing and burning in some high-profile posts. The third, Mourinho, arrived here after by far the worst half-season of his career. None of the three failures are exactly miraculous or completely unexpected, in that regard. There are internal failings that go beyond all three men, but all three men have also largely been responsible for their own downfalls, with tactical failings or outdated playing styles.
No.
Yeah but to be fair he still hasn’t been sacked so you do have to count him.
Well we agree on something then.
Do you know anything about the current Monaco team?
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