Care to remind us of the instance in which was Pogba "mouthing off against the manager"?
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He really is a nasty human being and now his toxicity has spread to the fans booing our own player due to being brainwashed like sheep by this charlatan. Fans like that make me ashamed I have supported this team my whole life. Fans who stand and clap after we get smashed 0-3 against stinky Tottenham at home. You lot are a big reason the Glazers think this shit is ok.
He gives less than subtle hints against the manager in any of these, pick one:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ive-your-best-happy-manchester-united-captain
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45624058
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ot-to-speak-after-man-utds-draw-with-valencia
The third one is my favourite. He's been warned quite obviously not to mouth off and cause instability and unwanted media attention of unrest, and he decides to go and do the opposite. Because you know, feck it.
I don't care what he says if he produces good displays, but he doesn't. Whilst I wouldn't boo him today and don't plan to when I visit OT for Fulham on Sat, I'm just saying he doesn't help himself.
I didn't say you were blinded by hatred. I just said it's pointless to argue with you about him which is true. It's like trying to convince Twigginator that bringing Mourinho here was a good idea: he was against it from day one (well, long before that, really), kept saying it would bite us in the arse and nowadays takes a perverse amount of glee from "I told you so" posts which are, sadly, justified.
Yeah, fair enough.
There's so much wrong in this post. Where has Pogba mouthed off? Are you talking about interviews he did saying we need to attack more? Like exactly what the crowd at OT chant and people on here crave for?
Fellaini not been half as bad? Right. Perhaps go look at Opta if you want a list of a grand total of 1 player in our whole team that gets the assists, goals and key passes he gets from midfield. Do you really think at any club that has standards set at being 1st in every competition before the season starts that the fans would defend a player like Fellaini over a player like Pogba? No chance. Its amazing how quickly fans have thrown standards out the window here. Perhaps i was wrong, maybe it was only Fergie that had standards.
So you'd keep Mourinho if he scrapes top 4 this season?
Jeez.
Moyes got rightfully slaughtered for the City comments back then, but now we have a manager who justifies 7th place with "Evertons investment was phenomenal".
sad state of affairs, really. 8th place and a negative GD after 15 games, and no signs of the club deeming that unacceptable. Depressing how far standards have fallen.
sad state of affairs, really. 8th place and a negative GD after 15 games, and no signs of the club deeming that unacceptable. Depressing how far standards have fallen.
feck him off
I would, because I think top 4 is the level of our squad and there's no one really available.
If suddenly Poch was free or someone like Ancelotti or even Simeone I wouldn't complain with a sack. Simeone is boring but he'd create more harmony. Same for Allegri.
I just don't think any managers are available now, so if he does the bare minimum you might as well wait for the right man to be available rather than spiral into anyone free and be stuck in a 2-3 year contract with him.
We won't be in this situation though because I think he'll miss out on Champions League football and get the sack anyway. God knows who we'll bring in when that happens.
If he was producing these results/comments/performances at Real or Barca, they'd ban him from the stadium grounds.
A horrific has been of a manager.
A horrific has been of a manager.
The slow and painful death is extended a little further, given our Christmas fixtures he might gain enough momentum to get him through to spring now, other than the obvious, I just hope he doesn't inflict too much more damage on us in the mean time.
Hiring Ancelotti would be the exact same mistake we made with Van Gaal and Mourinho.
The answer to the OP is obviously “go”.
A more interesting question is whether there is another example of a once great manager losing his aura so quickly? Even ignoring his 2003-2010 golden age, he came back to England in 2013, won the title again in 2015 but since then...
A more interesting question is whether there is another example of a once great manager losing his aura so quickly? Even ignoring his 2003-2010 golden age, he came back to England in 2013, won the title again in 2015 but since then...
I think it might yeah.
But this is it, who would you bring? Annoyingly for us the likely movement in top managers will probably be the season after next rather than next year alone.
Simeone must call time eventually on Atletico, Allegri will make way for Zidane soon enough. Poch may well feel he has taken Spurs as far as they can go if they continue to not win trophies. But it'll take a couple years.
I constantly see these comments that we should stick with Jose because there is no one available. Is it really a good enough excuse? We are fecking mid table, -1 GD after 15 matches with 0 signs of improvement. Not only we are not gonna get anywhere near TOP 4 with him, we are more likely to be closer to bottom 4. What's the point in keeping him?
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No - I said:
If he fails to get champions league football - sack and get whoever's best available.
If he gets champions league football - bare minimum - keep because we don't really have anyone available. For this to happen he'd need to improve our GD and league position, which is bleak.
So him saying we should stay true to our tradition and attack more is a thorn in your eye, but you by your own admission don't find anything wrong with Mourinho's post Sevilla game interview? Or with him trashing club legend's?
So you're strictly against Pogba' alleged subtle digs at the manager, but somehow you find nothing wrong with Mourinho's subtle dig at Pogba regarding WC victory?
Double standards?
And I said we have more chances finishing bottom 4 than TOP 4 with him, so what's the point of waiting?
Player's don't have the same freedom to speak candidly quite like managers do.
If you don't understand this, you should probably end the debate prematurely.
Ed won't sack him until it's mathematically impossible. There must be a clause in the contract that negates a big pay-off if this happens. That's why. I know we don't agree with it as fans but that's how it will likely happen.
Even managers have a line which should not be crossed and that was crossed a long time ago with Mourinho.
I changed my vote to yes after tonight.
Agree. It's a stupid argument an just a lazy attempt at ignoring the issue. There shouldn't be any problem at all to find someone who can improve us whilst not completely embarrass the club off the pitch and antagonise the most valuable assets we have at any given opportunity.
Some fans are hilarious. They are under this impression that if you pick a random manager from a hat and support him long enough he'll turn into SAF. The probability of that happening is very low.
The probability is much higher that once a manager shows clear signs he is a wrong fit, the longer he stays in his position, the bigger the damage and the longer it takes to recover once he is gone.
The probability is much higher that once a manager shows clear signs he is a wrong fit, the longer he stays in his position, the bigger the damage and the longer it takes to recover once he is gone.
If it were up to me, I'd gamble. Which I was against after the Moyes debacle, I wanted a proven winner but that doesn't really work out well for us, seemingly.
Get a director of football or call it whatever you want, head of football operations, I don't care. Make it clear that we want to play proactive, skilful, "technical" football, looking to sign players who fit that bill (good on the ball, dynamic, energetic) and are young enough to spend their entire peak at United. No more plugging leaks with the likes of Matic.
Then get a manager who fits the bill with that concept. It doesn't have to be someone who won the CL half a dozen times. If he demonstrated that he can get his teams to play the sort of football we're looking for, and that he can elevate a team above the sum of its parts then that should be good enough (not just any team, obviously, should be from one of the major leagues etc.)
Can't give you names I'm afraid. But it would be a better approach, overall, than just looking at the out of contract managers and getting one with the most glittering CV.
Mourinho to blame? Yes.
Board/Woodward to blame? Long term yes.
Players to blame? Yes.
Will Mourinho be here next season? No.
When will he get the sack? When CL qual is not possible (Out of CL or when too far behind in the league.) or if/when the matchgoing fans starts showing their dismay against manager/Woodward/Glazers.
Will we sign a DoF? Who knows.
Will we challenge for anything major next season? No.
Board/Woodward to blame? Long term yes.
Players to blame? Yes.
Will Mourinho be here next season? No.
When will he get the sack? When CL qual is not possible (Out of CL or when too far behind in the league.) or if/when the matchgoing fans starts showing their dismay against manager/Woodward/Glazers.
Will we sign a DoF? Who knows.
Will we challenge for anything major next season? No.
Hm by shouldn't the manager be the grownup in this scenario? I mean should he not be setting an example to them?
You didn't answer, how come you find nothing wrong with Mourinho trashing club legend's, his post Sevilla interview, all those not so subtle digs at Woodward regarding transfers?
What is this even meant to mean?
It's all opinions to be honest. Yeah, Mourinho has crossed the line in the past. But Pogba has no place speaking out the way he did moreso (opinion, don't shoot me or the match going fans for thinking this). I think it's the performances coupled with his words that really piss fans off. Jose said a lot of bad things last year but still finished 2nd so it was sort of brushed aside more.
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Why did you change your vote now? It was actually one of our better 'performances' until Martial got injured and Lingard was subbed. I thought we had worse games where someone would change their minds, so just curious why you made the decision now.
This is all correct.
What panic? Nobody is panicking. That would suggest there is something to salvage from this season.
Why?
18 points off the top in early December.
Has to go. Simple as that.
Has to go. Simple as that.
I've discussed Sevilla's interview with you.
I'd prefer any manager to take Woodward on rather than be OK with blue sky thinking (a la LVG who thought he had Mueller or Moyes who claimed he was meant to get Bale and it didn't happen). Woodward has no place trying to suggest one player over another for footballing reasons so I'm glad he's getting called out on it. I think other managers would likely do the same, or not sign for us unless we had a proper structure in place. Just look at City, they brought Tixi in just so Pep would be easier to negotiate with.
Can you give me some examples of "trashing club legends"? I would be happy to comment on some examples.
The reports are that Pogba said what he did to him in a calm manner. There is nothing wrong asking your manager a question or explaining something to him or her, if you do so in an acceptable manner which by all accounts he did. If something is wrong you don't question it just because someone is your superior? You just go along with it even when it's clearly wrong or not working?
18 points off the top and we've just hit December. I'm not even going to laugh. It's a fecking joke.
Undermining your manager or suggesting his tactics or approach was wrong to a game would destory the balance moreso than if the manager critcises a small handful of his players. This is my opinion anyway, I think the moment you start talking out against the manager, however subtly, you will face repercussions. This is a general football view and I don't mean it to be Mourinho related.
A lot of ex players were unsurprising Pogba was stripped of captaincy when it happened. They were saying how you can't say that shit and not get punished IIRC.
Players can't have the same freedom as managers to go rogue in their interviews.
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