Sir Alex back working at the club (according to Sun)

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Kickoff.com quoting The Sun, seems legit.

Or, lazy conclusion jumping based off nothing more than Ole having a feel of the SAF era.
 

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This is such a poor article. All Ole said is that there is no one better than him at advice and he will have a cup of tea with SAF. Sun comes up with this b******t.
 

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I'd be in favour of a blanket ban on the Sun as a source, they do more harm than good on this forum

Saying that, I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie was helping out in some capacity
 

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Doesn't sound like it's true. If he is getting involved I hope he's prioritising his health. He's given United much, much more than enough.
 

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Not sure of the veracity of the story but if true, it's not a good move.
The weight of Busby's presence was very difficult for the manager's who tried to move the club forward back in the day.
 

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Doubt it. Maybe they had one meeting or two, phone calls even.
"Working", he's 77 and still recovering from last health issue ffs.
 

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Mike Phelan is probably more critical than Ole Solskjaer, but I like them both. They need consistency though so that they can project themselves in the winning era.
 

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Can't find a reliable source reporting it. Just rumors at this point.
Also, let that man rest in his retirement years. The last 'consulting' he did, was hiring Moyes on a 6 year contract.
 

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“Cup of tea” with Sir Alex....

Expect the pair of them to go on a haddock-fueled rampage at Lou Macari’s chippy culminating with a Crimbo punch-up at the Throstle’s Nest.
 

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Doubt it. Maybe they had one meeting or two, phone calls even.
"Working", he's 77 and still recovering from last health issue ffs.
Yeah most likely this is what’s happening. Anyway, as much as Fergie is a legend and we all love him, we need to move on from him and get back to the level he had us at, with Poch or Ole or whoever it is who will take us there.
 

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I remember either listening to or reading Ole saying that he's been in touch with Fergie and that he's always available should he need advice - or something along those lines.

Didn't even click on the article but I highly doubt its anything more than the occasional phonecall or even a "cuppa" - and that's about as far as it should go cos as others have mentioned let the man chill already; he's done more than enough for this club.
 

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Just so we’re clear, one mistake and you should never be listened to again? That’s your argument?
When a mistake is so costly and of such great magnitude, that person should never be consulted again, on matters relating to manager selection.
Hiring Moyes kickstarted our decline. He was so wretchedly bad, that he got fired within 10 months and that was generous. Woodward waited till the last possible moment in time, before he pulled the trigger. Most clubs would've fired Moyes in 6 months.

In most organisations when someone makes a decision which is so catastrophic, they tend to get fired or are asked to resign.
 

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Not sure of the veracity of the story but if true, it's not a good move.
The weight of Busby's presence was very difficult for the manager's who tried to move the club forward back in the day.
Your comment was my first reaction. This is a hugely difficult subject that many clubs have had to cope with varying degrees of success.

Liverpool were quick to get Shankly distanced from their club and claimed it was preferable to Busby’s continuing influence at OT. Their results in the 70s and 80s suggest there’s was a succcessful solution.

I would argue Busby was simply impossible to sideline. He was a ‘presence’, in close proximity he was almost deified. Unlike Fergie, he was at the heart and soul of Manchester football. Red or Blue he was held with such high esteem, it was a phenomenal relationship between the man and the city. Most of it came from his playing for City, Munich, and the European Cup but he was also that ‘humble’ quiet man that no one could fail to respect. However, there is the case that Busby made it difficult for Wilf and O’Farrell to function especially in regards to dropping the legends. In Too Good To Go Down, it was Busby’s presence that contributed to the team’s long term decline that led to relegation. I think Patrick Barclay said he was simply too loyal to drop the legends.

The Fergie situation is also complex:

Firstly, he has hardly been quiet in his retirement - attending games, the second book, the lecture circuit and the tv interviews have all been about United past, present and future. This was not as he claimed in July 2013, a retirement of living in New York with the missus visiting museums.

Secondly, he became that go-between from squad, club, board to shareholders, which was unlike any other managerial relationship in football. He was called upon to identify a replacement, which in business is frowned upon. However, its possible that his meeting with potential candidates made some of them jittery over his continuing presence in squad politics.

Thirdly, Fergie is not untainted by past events that stretched from ‘the Rock’, to the Glazers, the Keane affair, and even the Beckham incident. He promised to back Moyes but released his second memoir which meant he remained in the spotlight. At the time this suggested to me that there was no one in the club capable of asking him to step away.

But, Fergie doesn’t have the same loyalty to the players as Busby. He is the ultimate pragmatist and competitor and can take the semi-director of football role temporarily although his health must now be a major concern for everyone.
 
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The feel good factor would definitely be back if Sir Alex was DOF.
 

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Another thread based largely off a S*n article albeit indirectly through some nameless staff reporter recycling said piece through a dodgy blog. Fantastic stuff as per.
 

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When a mistake is so costly and of such great magnitude, that person should never be consulted again, on matters relating to manager selection.
Hiring Moyes kickstarted our decline. He was so wretchedly bad, that he got fired within 10 months and that was generous. Woodward waited till the last possible moment in time, before he pulled the trigger. Most clubs would've fired Moyes in 6 months.

In most organisations when someone makes a decision which is so catastrophic, they tend to get fired or are asked to resign.
So 25 years of success should be ignored because his suggestion of Moyes didn’t work out? I guess those thickos at Harvard need a good talking to about who they invite to give talks at their school. People at that school will go no where in life if they keep talking to failures like Ferguson.
 

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Hopefully it is true because as much as anything, it would be a definite sign of his health being very good.
I have no doubt Ole will consult him for guidance, and it won't be strenuous on Fergie to offer it, win win.
That said feck the sun, it should be banned on the caf
 

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SAF as DoF? Jesus, let the man rest. He simply should not be spending near the same energy required for such a job.
 

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When a mistake is so costly and of such great magnitude, that person should never be consulted again, on matters relating to manager selection.
Hiring Moyes kickstarted our decline. He was so wretchedly bad, that he got fired within 10 months and that was generous. Woodward waited till the last possible moment in time, before he pulled the trigger. Most clubs would've fired Moyes in 6 months.

In most organisations when someone makes a decision which is so catastrophic, they tend to get fired or are asked to resign.
Yeap to run a successful thats the usual outcome,heads gotta roll for costly mistakes.
 

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SAF as DoF? Jesus, let the man rest. He simply should not be spending near the same energy required for such a job.
I don't think Fergie ever left the club. After he retired, he announced all the fun things he planned to do and football wasn't on the agenda. Like Sir Matt before him, he couldn't let go. I'm not saying he meddled because I don't think he did that, but after he stepped down, the club did take a turn in another direction. I doubt the Glazers will ever again want to see that much power and control vested in one man; hence Woodward's involvement, which is of a much higher profile than Gill's ever was.

I think he should be consulted on footballing matters and clearly his fingerprints are all over the OGS/Phelan appointments. But appointing a new manager to take us forward needs more than Fergie's say-so, though the club would be silly not to get his input. They should do what huge multinationals do and hire consultants to sift through the likely candidates and match the right man to the situation. But he's bought us six months to do all that. Let's hope the club uses the time wisely.
 

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Your comment was my first reaction. This is a hugely difficult subject that many clubs have had to cope with varying degrees of success.

Liverpool were quick to get Shankly distanced from their club and claimed it was preferable to Busby’s continuing influence at OT. Their results in the 70s and 80s suggest there’s was a succcessful solution.

I would argue Busby was simply impossible to sideline. He was a ‘presence’, in close proximity he was almost deified. Unlike Fergie, he was at the heart and soul of Manchester football. Red or Blue he was held with such high esteem, it was a phenomenal relationship between the man and the city. Most of it came from his playing for City, Munich, and the European Cup but he was also that ‘humble’ quiet man that no one could fail to respect. However, there is the case that Busby made it difficult for Wilf and O’Farrell to function especially in regards to dropping the legends. In Too Good To Go Down, it was Busby’s presence that contributed to the team’s long term decline that led to relegation. I think Patrick Barclay said he was simply too loyal to drop the legends.

The Fergie situation is also complex:

Firstly, he has hardly been quiet in his retirement - attending games, the second book, the lecture circuit and the tv interviews have all been about United past, present and future. This was not as he claimed in July 2013, a retirement of living in New York with the missus visiting museums.

Secondly, he became that go-between from squad, club, board to shareholders, which was unlike any other managerial relationship in football. He was called upon to identify a replacement, which in business is frowned upon. However, its possible that his meeting with potential candidates made some of them jittery over his continuing presence in squad politics.

Thirdly, Fergie is not untainted by past events that stretched from ‘the Rock’, to the Glazers, the Keane affair, and even the Beckham incident. He promised to back Moyes but released his second memoir which meant he remained in the spotlight. At the time this suggested to me that there was no one in the club capable of asking him to step away.

But, Fergie doesn’t have the same loyalty to the players as Busby. He is the ultimate pragmatist and competitor and can take the semi-director of football role temporarily although his health must now be a major concern for everyone.
Well typed :)