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Sheep Draft Q/F: Enigma/TRV vs Edgar

Who will win this match based on all the players at their peaks?


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Not sure about that. Did Germany play a back 3 with Breitber? Same here with Junior. As for Platini not being a usual in the hole #10, it's just his normal game. Nothing different.

We are playing a back 4 with Junior attacking their already flawed defensive midfield. Between Platini and Junior we will have majority possession and dominate the game.
I would say many of Pep's sides whilst out of possession are a 433 in possession they morph into a sort of 235. There were articles on how Pep was bringing back the metodo system. The question I think is how do you want to describe Juniors position in possession.

You are right to some extent about Platini though that he did drop deep and didn't stay just in the hole. That said given how advanced he later becomes the 10 position similar to Rui Costa (but far more dynamic with goals) is a fair comparison.
 

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The question I think is how do you want to describe Juniors position in possession.
It's the same he played for Brazil. Similar to Breitner in Germany. He prefers to move to left midfield and attack the box. Not afraid to overlap if there's space. More dynamic than the line hugging wingbacks. He's fully capable of providing width, but has big impact in midfield and prefers that.

Being on Yaya's side he'll have a free reign to run the game from the left. One of the Top 10 LBs of all time imo.
 

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It's the same he played for Brazil. Similar to Breitner in Germany. He prefers to move to left midfield and attack the box. Not afraid to overlap if there's space. More dynamic than the line hugging wingbacks. He's fully capable of providing width, but has big impact in midfield and prefers that.

Being on Yaya's side he'll have a free reign to run the game from the left. One of the Top 10 LBs of all time imo.
Which means you practically have no left flank if you are tucking him in.

Amancio who is also one of the best right wingers of the game will have a field day there.
 

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As always seems that Zidane is getting little underappreciated in draft games.

Pity considering how good he was at his peak.




As quoted by the UEFA Champions League official Twitter page, Beckham said:

"To train with Zinédine Zidane for three years was a dream. For me, he is the greatest player of all time."

David Beckham: "To train with Zinédine Zidane for three years was a dream. For me, he is the greatest player of all time."#UCL pic.twitter.com/jGuBsj7Ub2

— UEFA Champions League (@ChampionsLeague) March 22, 2018
The Frenchman enjoyed a glittering playing career, winning trophies across Europe with a variety of sides.

Among the highlights of his exploits are two Serie A titles with Juventus, one La Liga title and a Champions League with Real Madrid, and winning the FIFA World Cup with France in 1998.

Renowned as a complete midfielder, Zidane made a name for himself as a powerful and tenacious midfielder, capable of winning midfield battles and propelling his side forward with aplomb.
Zidane the greatest of all time
Jules Delay weighs in on the ‘Greatest Footballer of All Time’ debate, making the case for French legend Zinedine Zidane



The debate over the world’s greatest player will always exist – the difference in generations, leagues, positions and nationalities means it’s ultimately unsolvable. Who is to say that it requires less skill being a defender than by being a striker? None can say for sure, yet Fabio Cannavaro is the only defender to have won the Ballon D’or in this century. In this random meandering of thoughts, I will propose a different player to the usual Messi, Maradona, Pele debate. Bare with me, make some tea, and don’t judge me quite yet – I think the greatest player who has ever lived is Zinedine Zidane.

Now most of you would probably say that whilst you acknowledge Zidane was a great player, he isn’t comparable to those three footballing gods. The problem however is that the regular judgements made are based on goals and assists. If you look at what a footballer is judged on ultimately though, Zidane’s achievements, but more his performances especially in the key matches, provide (I hope!) a compelling argument for his rightful place on top of the footballing world.

The importance of this second factor cannot be overestimated – the ability to play well and dictate the big matches is something that only the very best players can do. Leagues and trophies are decided on the big matches. It was Zidane’s ability to dominate in these games which makes him so exceptional – even in a match against the world’s best, he would be a class above. Look at the World Cup finals in 1998 and 2006, the 2001 Champions League final, the quarter final against Brazil in 2006 against the tournament favourites and defending champions, and numerous others besides.

Amongst the many adulating quotes about Zidane, one stands out. Not just because of who said it, but also because what they said emphasises exactly his memorising ability to stand out amongst the world’s best, and inspire his team – “Zidane was from another planet. When Zidane stepped onto the pitch, the 10 other guys just got suddenly better. It is that simple” (Zlatan Ibrahimovic). Zidane, perhaps more than any other player, performed on the big occasion, and that is the mark of the greatest player.

Aside from this ability to dominate in big games, there is another string to my argument. Zidane was also the only player who has achieved the greatest success possible on both the club and national level, something that neither Messi, Ronaldo, Pele nor Maradona did.

It is unquestionable that Zidane achieved huge success on the international stage having been the fulcrum of the greatest French side in history. The success of the team between 1998 and 2006 was spearheaded and created by Zidane, the epitome of French flair on the pitch; the best description from his teammates -“In France, everybody realized that God exists, and that he is back in the French international team” (Thierry Henry). Prepare yourself for a barrage of examples, and if you don’t think they show a great international career, just give up.

In the 1998 World Cup final, Zidane was man of the match, player of the tournament, and scored twice. In Euro 2000, Zidane scored an exquisite freekick in the quarter final and the winning golden goal in the semi final, before being named player of the tournament again. Whilst injury prevented full participation in the 2002 World Cup, in Euro 2004 he saved his side in the opening match with a brace against England and they went on to reach the quarter finals. Finally, in the 2006 World Cup, Zidane scored goals in the last 16, semi final, and final, and was again named player of the tournament.

Leaving behind what can only be described as a breathtaking international career making him an icon throughout his nation, Zidane’s ability in the domestic game was equally entrancing. Zidane is rightly revered as a real Madrid legend, having signed for the world record fee of £42m before making 225 appearances for the club. As the face of the infamous Galacticos, Zidane showed his ability in the big games yet again with a spectacular goal in the 2001 Champions League final. The stunning volley with his wrong foot personified Zidane’s ability – a glorious piece of skill, based on phenomenal natural ability but crucially delivered on the biggest stage in club football.

On a small sidenote, another argument for Zidane’s status as the world’s best is his performances in different leagues. He won trophies in France, Italy and Spain – best known as the face of Madrid for six years, Zidane had before won World Player of the Year at Juventus alongside two Scudetto’s and two Champions League finals.

It is worth noting in the furore following Messi’s fourth straight Ballon D’or, (which Ronaldo should have won!), that Zidane not only won three World Player of the Year awards but has appeared on the shortlist more times than any other player (three wins, one second place, two third places). This signifies Zidane’s greatest quality – his consistent ability to perform in the biggest matches every year. Standing out amongst the best is what defined Zidane, crucially on the club and international level. This is the crux of my argument, what I have been sliding my way slowly towards, the final rationale – Zidane, unlike Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo or Messi, achieved the ultimate success on both the club and the international level.

His ability is comparable to the greats listed above, but his big game mentality sets him apart. There are numerous great strikers, who could be on this list, but Zidane was something else – the one player you wanted in the big game. That quality, that rarity, makes him special. If (like me), you value that natural gift, then it’s simple – Zizou simply was the greatest ever.
 

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And little more on Jimmy Greaves - one of the most prolific strikers in history.


Jimmy Greaves: England’s ultimate goal scoring machine

Born in Essex in 1940, James Peter Greaves went on to become one of the greatest goal scorers ever in the history of the English game. His incredible ability to find the net saw him make a name for himself, not just on these shores, but across Europe too.

The ultimate goal-scoring machine, Greaves still remains the highest scorer in the history of English top-flight football and has also netted more hat-tricks for England than anyone else.

He currently stands fourth in the list of the Three Lions’ most prolific international marksmen with 44 goals from just 57 appearances, and he is also Tottenham Hotspur’s highest ever goal-scorer, having found the net 266 times during his time at White Hart Lane – not to mention being the First Division’s top scorer in six seasons throughout his impressive career.

So deft was the forward when rounding defenders and beating goalkeepers, that his playing style was once described as the football equivalent of closing the door on a Rolls Royce. By his own admission, Greaves didn’t score too many spectacular goals or spend lots of time practicing his finishing, but instead relied on his incredible dribbling ability and a natural instinct when it came to finding the net.

His instinctive and natural gift of being able to put the ball into the net from pretty much anywhere, was all he required to ensure that he is still remembered for his goal-scoring prowess.

There is little footage of Jimmy Greaves beating keepers with shots from outside of the penalty area or with spectacular volleys or towering headers, but there are plenty of clips showing him rounding defenders or goalkeepers before tapping home from close range, and that ultimately sums up the kind of player that this terrific forward was.

Between his Chelsea debut in 1957 and his final game for West Ham United in 1971, Greaves scored a staggering 422 goals in 602 club appearances, a figure that underlines his status as one of the greatest players England has ever produced.

After making his first team debut at the age of 17, Greaves hit 100 league goals before his 21st birthday and, despite only spending four seasons at Chelsea, is placed seventh in their all-time scoring charts with 132 goals in 169 games. The 41 goals he scored in the 1960-61 season remains a top flight record for the Blues.

After a brief stint with AC Milan, Greaves joined Spurs in December 1961 for a fee of £99,999. He took no time to settle under legendary manager Bill Nicholson, scoring a hat-trick on his debut against Blackpool and striking up a deadly partnership with Bobby Smith.



The much-loved striker would end up netting 266 times during a glorious nine-year stint at Tottenham, becoming their all-time leading scorer and winning two FA Cups and a European Cup Winners’ Cup in the process, ensuring he will always be remembered as one of the club’s all-time greats.

During his time at Chelsea and Spurs, Greaves was the First Division top scorer in six separate seasons, something that has never since been equalled. The stats are all the more impressive considering he retired at the age of 31 and his final season with West Ham was the only full season of his career in which he did not reach double figures, scoring nine goals in 34 appearances.

While many believe the Londoner to have been something of a failure in Serie A, he did, in fact, manage to score nine goals in 12 games against against the sort of defensive systems that he hated and would ultimately lead to his swift return to England.

His international career was just as littered with goals as his club days. Greaves scored 44 goals for England, meaning he sits behind Bobby Charlton, Gary Lineker and Wayne Rooney in the scoring charts.



However, his lethal finishing ability is highlighted by a far superior scoring rate to his rivals. Greaves’ goals came in just 57 appearances, whereas Rooney took 100 games to reach the same number. Greaves also scored six international hat-tricks which is still the most of any player in Three Lions history.

When a player has scored so many goals in his career it’s almost impossible to single out one as being the best. But one strike from Greaves in particular even brought high praise from a man who very rarely went overboard when it came to recognising individual achievements – his former boss at Spurs, Bill Nicholson.

When facing Leicester City at White Hart Lane in 1968, Greaves scored a hat-trick, but one goal would be remembered by Nicholson for being particularly special and was a trademark Jimmy Greaves solo effort. Receiving the ball from goalkeeper Pat Jennings on the halfway line, instant control on his instep took him diagonally towards goal where he beat the first man with his deft touch and accelerated past the second with a deceiving swivel and dip of his right shoulder.

Straightening his run, he dragged the ball back and away from the third defender and as it dawned on everyone that they might be witnessing something special; a deathly silence fell across the ground as the crowd held its collective breath.

Greaves was now bearing down on goal, but not before he had drawn in another defender and put him on his backside. By this time young pretender to Gordon Banks’ throne, Peter Shilton, made his move towards Greaves’ dazzlingly quick feet but it was too late, Jimmy casually slid the ball past the prone goalkeeper and it rolled into the net, just inside the post.



Greaves was a prolific goal-scorer and cited his relaxed attitude as the reason for his assured composure and confidence in front of goal, as he tormented defenders and made fools out of goalkeepers. He was also blessed with fantastic pace as well as great positional skills, dribbling ability and his opportunism inside the penalty area, meaning he is still regarded to this day as one of the best strikers to have ever played the game.

His legacy is enduring and his statistics stand the test of time, even against the greats of today’s game, as he remains the all-time leading goal scorer in Europe’s top five leagues; his 366 goals put him ahead of Germany legend Gerd Muller, Real Madrid’s Cristiano Ronaldo and Barcelona’s Lionel Messi.

England is yet to produce another goal-scorer quite as prolific as Greaves, and stats like this suggest it could be a long, long wait before we see anyone as good as him again.
 

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World Cup Legends: Spain and Amancio



Amancio Amaro Varela known simply as Amancio was born in A Coruña on the 16th October 1939 and would go on to be arguably one of the greatest players to emerge from Galicia, earning the nickname El Brujo [The Wizard] in the process for his ability on the right wing.

In 1954, at the age of 15, Amancio joined his hometown youth team – Victoria Club de Futbol in the district of Santa Lucia before moving to Deportivo de la Coruña during the 1958-9 season. Deportivo had recently been relegated to the second division and their financial situation depended on producing good youth players that could be sold to larger clubs. Amancio may have been one of the best. El Brujo would be part of the team to earn promotion in 1962 winning the Pichichi. During these years, Amancio’s reputation was spreading attracting scouts to the Riazor. Particular interest was being shown by Madrid president, Santiago Bernabéu who was kept up to date with the youngster’s process through his friendship with Emilio Rey, owner of “La Voz de Galicia” newspaper. In June 1962, Real came calling but the deal was in danger of stalling due to fee of over 10 million pesetas. It was only the insistence of Bernabéu “Amancio will play for Real Madrid. Sign Him!” that saw the transfer go through.

Amancio would become one of the “Ye-Ye” team. A young group of players nicknamed after the “Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!” chorus of “She Loves You”, when four of the players posed in Beatles wigs. The youth blended with veterans such as Gento, Di Stefano and Puskas would go onto to dominate Spanish football in the early 60’s.

In his first six seasons he would win six La Liga titles, another three would follow between 1972-76. Amancio would also win three Copa del Rey titles during his career. In European Cup there had been disappointment – losing the 1964 final to Inter in Vienna, the following year being knocked out by Benfica. In 1966 with the “Ye-Ye” core now the basis of the team, Amancio won his only European club medal when Real beat Partizan Belgrade 2-1 – El Brujo himself scoring Real’s equalizer in the 70th minute.

Amancio would play for Madrid until retiring in 1976. The Galician played 344 games for Los Blancos scoring 119 goals and picking up the Pichichi on two occasions.

Internationally, Amancio debuted for his country in 1962 against Romania and was an essential part of the team that won the 1964 European Nations Cup – defeating the Soviet Union 2-1 in the final. In all Amancio won 42 caps over a 12 year period scoring 11 goals.

Amancio had pace, balance and weaving dribbling ability that would have made many players respected. Arguably what made Amancio great was that he also had a goal scoring knack that would make many strikers envious. His goals perhaps resulted most from his ability to glide into the box and to his positional sense to be in the right place at the right time. El Brujo was a wizard indeed.
 

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And lastly a bit on Yaya Toure at his peak, showcasing his all roundedness and the complete midfielder he was. Senna would have tough time stopping him when he goes forward like a train.



Remembering When Yaya Toure Was The Best Midfielder In World Football During The 13/14 Season


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Yaya's influence on City has waned in recent years, and Dimitri Seluk, his agent, has threatened to tarnish his legacy with his outlandish antics.

But the fact remains that he will go down as one of the greatest players to pull on the sky blue shirt of City, as well as being recognised as a Premier League great.

And his sensational form in City's 2013/14 double-winning campaign is the primary reason as to why the four-time African Footballer of the Year he has earned that status.

Already a Champions League winner with Barcelona, Toure was brilliant under Roberto Mancini and played a starring role in the club's first trophy for 35 years when he scored two Wembley winners against Manchester United and Stoke City, before following it up by helping City to their first Premier League title a year later.

Yet it was in that first season under Manuel Pellegrini where we well and truly saw the best of him. Toure, playing in a midfield two alongside Fernandinho for the duration of the campaign, scored 20 Premier League goals and registered 9 assists for his teammates in 35 outings.

He scored 10 free-kicks, completed 2205 passes with a success rate of 90% and deservedly made the PFA Team of the Year for the second time. Had it not been for Luis Suarez's ludicrously good performance levels that year, Yaya would have undoubtedly collected the individual awards.

His Wembley screamer and stunning solo goal against Aston Villa will forever be etched in the memory of Manchester City fans, who will give him one hell a send off in his last home game against Brighton next Wednesday.

A big-game player, a midfield machine and one of the most technically gifted footballers to play in English football.

For me and many others, it's the greatest season a midfielder has ever conjured it in the history of the Premier League.

The likes of Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard have had stellar campaigns but no-one dominated like Yaya did.

And some of the stats that he apparently doesn't have the tactical discipline and defensive solidity:

https://www.mancity.com/news/first-team/first-team-news/2018/may/yaya-toure-man-city-stats

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Remarkably, in 229 Premier League appearances, Toure has made just one solitary error that has led to an opposition goal.

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Toure has won three-quarters of his tackles made.
 

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EAP has a really good side but I just feel we have more quality, especially in the key positions.

Scirea is a a much better Sweeper than either Cannavaro and Maldini. Gentile is the superior version of Burgnich. And, while Junior was a good player he is nowhere near Nilton Santos for whom you can make the case for being possibly the best ever attacking minded Left Back.

Coming to central midfield, I think both more or less have the same quality, but I feel we have a bit more quality and more importantly balance. In Makelele - Senna, you have got two players who more or less play in the same role and won't offer much going forward. At least with Yaya, he offers more going forward and is a much better creativity wise.

Now to attack,

Law - Signori - Jairzinho - Platini vs Greaves - Puskas - Amancio - Zidane.

Puskas, Platini and Zidane are the three best attackers on the pitch. While Signori is nowhere near the calibre of those other attackers.

Don't think there's much between Law and Greaves as strikers. Both great strikers but are a tier below the All-Time Greats like Ronaldo, Muller, Eusebio, Van Basten and Romario etc.

We both have really good teams and are more or less playing the same formation, so cancel out fair bit. But where we have the advantage is in key positions like the sweeper and left wing back, where not only do we possess the better defenders but also the players who offered more going forward which is extremely vital in this sort of formation.

Also, its needs to be highlighted again that, Edgar has got only one real great playmaker in his side in Platini. Yeah, Junior can playmake a bit but nowhere near what would be required here. If we compare it to ours, we have got not only superior playmakers but also more players in the likes of Puskas, Yaya, Scirea and Nilton who can all contribute in terms of creativity and not have the entire creating burden on Zidane like Edgar has with Platini.
 

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I don't see Scirea being clearly superior than Maldini or Cannavaro in the role that they're played at. I'd probably pick him first out of those three, but only just. The amount of assumptions that Enigma and TRV make by Edgar's behalf is too damn high :lol: Maldini - Cannavaro is a great and balanced center back pairing.

Nilton Santos for whom you can make the case for being possibly the best ever attacking minded Left Back
You really can't. He has nothing on Brehme/Carlos/Marcelo offensively.
 

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And lastly a bit on Yaya Toure at his peak, showcasing his all roundedness and the complete midfielder he was.
I still don't see any evidence of his all-roundness in that post (or in that season). Toure's "all-rounded" peak was probably in his first City season, where he still had some of the defensive discipline, but he was nowhere near as effective attacking-wise.
Yet it was in that first season under Manuel Pellegrini where we well and truly saw the best of him. Toure, playing in a midfield two alongside Fernandinho for the duration of the campaign, scored 20 Premier League goals and registered 9 assists for his teammates in 35 outings.
I think Pogba is the best comparison. They both are ridiculously athletic, but they rarely used their physicality to the full extent — and mostly in the attacking phase.


2014/15 season preview:
City will continue with their free flowing, attacking and fluid 4-2-2-2 for most part of the season, usually consisting of one #9 (Negredo/Dzeko) and one complete striker (Aguero/Jovetic) upfront, two interiors, a dynamic double pivot of Yaya Toure-Fernandinho and full-backs bombing forward at every opportunity.

However, such a setup left City too exposed on the break last season and much of the cracks were covered up by the exceptional goalscoring form of the strikers and Yaya Toure, and the relentless dirty work by Fernandinho. The recent acquisition of Fernando indicates Pellegrini is looking for a more pragmatic setup especially for key matches and the Champions League. It’s expected that City will move to a 3 man midfield for Champions League fixtures and crucial games, with Fernando sitting behind Yaya Toure and Fernandinho, screening the backline.
 
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I don't see Scirea being clearly superior than Maldini or Cannavaro in the role that they're played at. I'd probably pick him first out of those three, but only just. The amount of assumptions that Enigma and TRV make by Edgar's behalf is too damn high :lol: Maldini - Cannavaro is a great and balanced center back pairing.
I'm not questioning their quality as defenders, bro. Both Maldini and Canna were fantastic defenders. But when you consider that Edgar's team doesn't have a playmaker in their central midfield and the right sided defender not offering much going forward, imo it becomes imperative for one of the CBs to be someone who can start the attacks and advance forward with the ball making that transition from defense to attack.

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I don't see Scirea being clearly superior than Maldini or Cannavaro in the role that they're played at. I'd probably pick him first out of those three, but only just. The amount of assumptions that Enigma and TRV make by Edgar's behalf is too damn high :lol: Maldini - Cannavaro is a great and balanced center back pairing.


You really can't. He has nothing on Brehme/Carlos/Marcelo offensively.
Just more of a case of how we envision the game will pan out nothing more mate. ;)

Do you reckon Weidenfeller is a good addition to that backline tho? Surely he's a liability that has effect on the overall structure on his defence.

We have talked a lot of times on how keepers are seen in drafts and yet again not much of a role they get here as well.

Sure Marcelo, Carlos and Brehme are better offensively but from the balanced full backs Nilton is usually the one who, along with Facchetti is the best all things considered and the effect in both phases.

I still don't see any evidence of his all-roundness in that post (or in that season). Toure's "all-rounded" peak was probably in his first City season, where he still had some of the defensive discipline, but he was nowhere near as effective attacking-wise.


I think Pogba is the best comparison. They both are ridiculously athletic, but they rarely used their physicality to the full extent — and mostly in the attacking phase.


2014/15 season preview:
As you said at Barca and first season at City he has played in a restricted role and hasn't look a liability in defence. In his 13/14 season he grabbed the highlights with the attacking contribution but City also finished the table with the 2nd best defence, despite scoring over 100 goals.

You have to take into account the opposition midfield as well. Senna and Makelele are unlikely to contribute in the attacking phase so a midfield of Mackay, Yaya and Scirea stepping in would surely be enough protection through the middle.

My last post on the game not to post at the same time with TRV.
 

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Which means you practically have no left flank if you are tucking him in.

Amancio who is also one of the best right wingers of the game will have a field day there.
Wut? Just because he tucks in, he ceases to be a left back and Amacio will have a field day? These arguments :lol:

Was Breitner not a good left back? having to defend Junior as a leftback is just plain weird.

Your major weakness is defensive midfield and Junior will rip you apart with his game.
 

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I still don't see any evidence of his all-roundness in that post (or in that season). Toure's "all-rounded" peak was probably in his first City season, where he still had some of the defensive discipline, but he was nowhere near as effective attacking-wise.
Yaya is a disaster waiting to happen defensively, esp with a player like Junior hovering there. He'd add nothing defensively leaving Mackay to handle Junior and Platini when we have the ball. You really cant get a straighter shot at their back-line every time I have the ball.
 

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Do you reckon Weidenfeller is a good addition to that backline tho? Surely he's a liability that has effect on the overall structure on his defence.

We have talked a lot of times on how keepers are seen in drafts and yet again not much of a role they get here as well.

Sure Marcelo, Carlos and Brehme are better offensively but from the balanced full backs Nilton is usually the one who, along with Facchetti is the best all things considered and the effect in both phases.
Weidenfeller is obviously an eyesore here.

Re: Nilton. I'd always have him as a fantastic defensive fullback (one of the very best) with a great touch, good dribbling and long passing, but I definitely wouldn't put him as an attacking one, considering how the definition changed over the decades.
 

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Love Yaya by the way, he was a fantastic midfielder who probably should be in consideration for the league's best — at least alongside the likes of Gerrard and Lampard in the second tier. His passing was quite underrated.
 

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@harms please vote for your choice team before the poll closes.
I assumed that you were one vote down :lol:

Not a fan of either midfields, but I liked Enigma's defence and midfield very much, more than yours, frankly. But then you had Platini in a better position to influence the game. So yeah, no winner here for me.
 

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Feck penalties. Post 5 wags of your squad and have a poll open for a few hours to decide who wins.
 

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Disappointed by both teams at this stage of the draft.

Enigma: better collection of great players. Signori is really a second-class player in this context
Enigma: better defence
EAP: better central midfield
Leo Junior: annoying to read some comments about him

You would have 2 better teams if you swap Greaves for Law OR Platini for Zidane
 

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Edgar Allan Pillow

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Signori is really a second-class player in this context
If you look at Capocannoniere, only 7 players have wont it thrice or more and Platini and Signori are there alongwith the likes of Nordahl, Meazza and riva. Pretty lofty company to be there.

Despite playing for a non-top team, he was pretty much sidelines and misused in bigger stages and his reputation suffered for it imo. And I just wanted some who can work well with Platini and not bring try to compete with him. I like him in my team.
 

Šjor Bepo

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Penalties are trash, why did we move away from the keepers as deciders of draws?
 

harms

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Don't get the hate for penalties personally. Although it'll never get better than when I've guessed all 5 of @Joga Bonito's shots :lol: