Nah, that's fair and probably the consensus opinion. It just bothers me that Cole seems to be in that exclusive club who appear in all-time drafts no questions asked, whereas Evra is invariably seen as a weakness, when they were so close overall as players. In fairness, Evra's absolute peak as a defender was relatively abbreviated in comparison. Brilliant for about 2-3 seasons after his dodgy settling in period at Utd, then he gradually began showing less urgency or ability to get back into position after his attacking forays.
Amancio was a very versatile player. You would also see him starting games on the left wing as well.Looking into Amancio he looks more like an inside forward than an out and out winger, here is the formation of the 1966 ec final:
In an already congested central area can see some even more overlaps. Also further issues with Puskas also being a natural inside forward.
Evra had everything apart from crossing(except when he faced Lennon, then he had nothing) as that part of his game was pretty poor terrible compared to other segments.
Don't you think having someone like Beckenbauer is actually perfect in the sense, you have a player who is comfortable filling that position Scirea marches forward, thereby keeping our shape intact? I mean its not like you have couple of David Luizs out there who would forget about defensive shape and would go out of position constantly.
That is because fullbacks generally in drafts get judged almost solely on their defensive ability while going forward they are almost non-factor.
It's not completely ridiculous. Drafts are probably the only places where teams face two great wingers from both ends. Something you don't see even in the biggest games of the calendar. Sure you could add their attacking output to the equation, but expecting the likes of Garrincha and Best who required multiple markers in their peak to be still contained is a bit as you say, ridiculous.
Those wingers still have to go through GOAT defenders with one of fullbacks staying behind making it compact and usually extra midfielder keeping one eye at the back. If they are going forward that is usually because there are some good openings and much more often they will provide a dangerous situation or a cross then making a problem for their defence.
I sometimes miss the unlikely outcomes that happen in reality. Like Seedorf scoring an Atletico-esque screamer to win this game
Fully agree. I would say there is also a tendency to underrate the more recent full-backs and their critical contribution to the overall flow of the game.
We should probably be seeing tennis scores in that case. More goals than counters per game
I guess we will have to agree to disagree
True! No idea how that could be incorporated into the game but it'd be awesome if someone had a clever idea! At the end of the day most tight games are decided by fortune, and most of these games are so tightI sometimes miss the unlikely outcomes that happen in reality. Like Seedorf scoring an Atletico-esque screamer to win this game
Full backs are generally always underrated in drafts, especially their defensive responsibility, case in point here as well. It's all about central players. This is mainly the reason they are often picked last.
Disagree totally. Even in last match I recall discussions on Bergomi-Kalle flank and importance of having a more attacking fullback there. When facing a more superior wingers the ability of any fullback to provide consistent width without leaving gaps behind should rightly be questioned.
Surely ours are better suited to the task and better individual players no?
Who would have voted for?My god am I glad that I didn't vote
Yeah.
I couldn't decide, it was too close.
Declare the side who lost to 2mufc0 in the first round the winner!Just saw the score
My god am I glad that I didn't vote
Is it penalties now or what?
This game will likely drag on for a couple of days. Resume the other draft.
I was just about to tag @Pat_Mustard so we could enjoy his presentation of penalties again
Same to you and TRV.ah, well.. hate draws.. Well done @2mufc0 . Couldn't overturn some regular votes at the end
What are we doing @Skizzo @Pat_Mustard ? Penos?
Agreed! Think there were three more votes or something we tried before, but was a while back...
If it makes you feel better, if I had voted it would have been down to a coin flip as I couldn't make up my mind
I think @Pat_Mustard needs Scotch more than caffeineGoing the Three Lions way I see, with all these penalty shoot-outs.
Second time we are having a penalty shootout this tournament after the match vs EAP.
Just need to ensure Pat has caffeine nearby him this time.
Zidane headbutted Voronin in sign of frustration. He won't be taking penos today.
Zidane headbutted Voronin in sign of frustration. He won't be taking penos today.
That might've won my vote had it been posted in regular time Feck, we hadn't discussed this. Penalties I'm assuming, but I'm out and on my phone so unable to repeat my masterclass from the earlier rounds. Not sure if @Skizzo is around, or anyone else wants to do them.Blasphemy.
Aye, there's a tendency to take the well-rounded skill set and increased pitch coverage of modern FBs for granted, and just to focus on their relative weaknesses. It's a difficult balance to strike when assessing these matches in fairness, and at least we seem to be reaching a more realistic consensus about the attacking output of some of the older big name full-backs.
