What would be an acceptable offer for Pogba?

[Member 113277]

Keane, if not world class (and I'll leave that to others to argue) was very close and was an excellent all round footballer. The fact he played next to Scholes (another excellent and underrated player - by those outside our club) made both of them look good, since they were complementary in skills. The others in the middle were no slouches, either.

As to comparing different eras, I don't see that it really works, having grown up as a youngster watching Best, Charlton and Law, Bobby Moore, Martin Peters, Geoff Hurst, Alan Mullery, Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greaves etc., the game was so different then that it is very difficult to compare them with the players of the 90's and the same applies to the players of the 90s to the 10s.

For me, Viera and Keane were perfect rivals, they had their own strengths and weaknesses compared to each other, but both were highly effective players who made significant contributions to their teams in a period of intense rivalry and they both had great commitment - as a Utd follower, I always wanted Keane to come out on top, but you had to acknowledge quality playing against us.

 

[Handré1990]

I know, but to be honest I don't really care how they name me. it's all about agreeing that everyone has an opinion.

I actually called Alli's ability a few times and it wasn't a good reaction. It wasn't a good reaction when I've said that Kane missed a couple sitters yesterday that a 250mil striker should score in a big game and their replies were that "No man he was class yesterday, he'll get them on another day, he was still a threat". People couldn't really honestly discuss the fact that he missed a couple sitters without praising his qualities of a player and changing the topic, and that's a bit sad.

Could be because he didn’t miss a single sitter yesterday...

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Even SAF doesn't consider him like a world class player but a random guy from internet can say it with a lot of arrogance.

Yeah, it’s called politics.
SAF also said Phil Jones could end up being the greatest Man United player ever.
Believe me, SAF considered Keane as world class and he was the metronome of that team and the first name on the team sheet.

 

[LoveFootball]

Absolute nonsense.

Be honest now, you never saw Roy Keane play did you?

Are you aware that even if it's true that someone didn't watch old players, there are still some YouTube footage where you can practically watch most of their games?

By the way, let keep this thread about Pogba's value, we're derailing it. I'm not interested in that debate anymore, everyone is entitled to his opinion.

 

[Rob]

Some serious underestimating of Keane going on in here. Even I, a Liverpool fan, knows that he is one the best midfielders of the PL era. I mean, he was the heartbeat of the most dominant team ever to play in the league. Pogba’s good, no doubt about that, but he’s got some way to go before being an all time great like Keane.

 

[LoveFootball]

That's a no then.

Sorry, I'm struggling to read all the alerts. But I didn't read it, only saw the quote and never read the entire book; can you share the details and explanation behind that quote? Of course it'd have no impact on my view on Keane thought. But do it in a separate thread or PM me, cause we're derailing this one.

 

[Fridge chutney]

No I'm not buying in that myth, that's exactly what he was, a better version of Henderson practically.

Comedy gold! No wonder the mods promoted you.

 

[Fridge chutney]

I know, but to be honest I don't really care how they name me. it's all about agreeing that everyone has an opinion.

I actually called Alli's ability a few times and it wasn't a good reaction. It wasn't a good reaction when I've said that Kane missed a couple sitters yesterday that a 250mil striker should score in a big game and their replies were that "No man he was class yesterday, he'll get them on another day, he was still a threat". People couldn't really honestly discuss the fact that he missed a couple sitters without praising his qualities of a player and changing the topic, and that's a bit sad.

Kane and Alli did not miss any sitters. If you think they did, please link to the sitters they supposedly missed.

If you're going to spout nonsense, people will call you out on it, especially when you whine about people not sharing your "truths".

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Are you aware that even if it's true that someone didn't watch old players, there are still some YouTube footage where you can practically watch most of their games?

By the way, let keep this thread about Pogba's value, we're derailing it. I'm not interested in that debate anymore, everyone is entitled to his opinion.

Right so you never saw Keane play. It explains a lot of what you're saying.

Yeah ok, back to Pogba.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

the first name on the team sheet.

He was my first name on the sheet at the time

 

[RedorDead21]

Did I just see the name Keane in this thread? In 5 years if he's been the guy dragging us to heights not seen since SAF maybe we can then allow the comparison but until then.....Lets just compare Rashford with fat Ronaldo.

 

[Jeppers7]

Keane, if not world class (and I'll leave that to others to argue) was very close and was an excellent all round footballer. The fact he played next to Scholes (another excellent and underrated player - by those outside our club) made both of them look good, since they were complementary in skills. The others in the middle were no slouches, either.

As to comparing different eras, I don't see that it really works, having grown up as a youngster watching Best, Charlton and Law, Bobby Moore, Martin Peters, Geoff Hurst, Alan Mullery, Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greaves etc., the game was so different then that it is very difficult to compare them with the players of the 90's and the same applies to the players of the 90s to the 10s.

For me, Viera and Keane were perfect rivals, they had their own strengths and weaknesses compared to each other, but both were highly effective players who made significant contributions to their teams in a period of intense rivalry and they both had great commitment - as a Utd follower, I always wanted Keane to come out on top, but you had to acknowledge quality playing against us.

Keane was as world class as you can get. There's obviously a god level above like Pele Maradonna Messi Ronaldo. But world class ? Keane defines it.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

@LoveFootball

Sometimes threads need to get derailed, and when someone keeps comparing Roy Keane to Jordan Henderson then it’s open season for a few pages of thread derailment in my opinion.

You’ve openly said that you have only watched YouTube highlights of Keane, so as someone who saw him play live over 100 times let me categorically state that your opinions are not only wrong, but completely worthless. At this moment in time, based on their united careers, Pogba doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Keane. Few more years until that conversation can happen.

 

[Member 113277]

Keane was as world class as you can get. There's obviously a god level above like Pele Maradonna Messi Ronaldo. But world class ? Keane defines it.

Don't forget Gorge Best for your god level - I saw him and he was that good :-)

 

[Fridge chutney]

Don't forget Gorge Best for your god level - I saw him and he was that good :-)

He was a typical British hardworking forward, more similar to Andy Carroll than to a continental YouTube star.

 

[GailSpaceWynand]

He was a typical British hardworking forward, more similar to Andy Carroll than to a continental YouTube star.

 

[LoveFootball]

@LoveFootball

Sometimes threads need to get derailed, and when someone keeps comparing Roy Keane to Jordan Henderson then it’s open season for a few pages of thread derailment in my opinion.

You’ve openly said that you have only watched YouTube highlights of Keane, so as someone who saw him play live over 100 times let me categorically state that your opinions are not only wrong, but completely worthless. At this moment in time, based on their united careers, Pogba doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Keane. Few more years until that conversation can happen.

Read my post again mate. Read it again.

"Are you aware that even if it's true that someone didn't watch old players...."

I'm assuming that it's naive on today world, with the progress of technology, to accuse someone of not watching X old player play. Even a 12 y/o boy can have a good view of Romario by simply watching some YouTube footage, so for someone to come out with the archaic claim that "you didn't watch this X old player play" is a bit naive.

But for you information I watched Keane several times and most of the old SAF players. I became a die hard fans of this club after that 99 final, before that I was not a one team fan, but that final made me completely fall in love with this club. But I'm not a biased fan who think our players were all world class and extraordinary. I'm just telling my point of view and how I remember Keane as most of my close friend and relatives supported Arsenal and other teams in other league and I remember always being envious of their midfielders; watching games back then, Keane did not impressed me that much, before I become a fan of this club, I was astonished at the hype about most our players and could only confirm my view when I started to watch them closely and realised how SAF was a genius for winning the CL with such a huge number of "not great players". Few players were impressive at that time, the like of Giggs, Stam, Beckham, Irwin, Cantona, Scholes were undisputed great players, there rest were just seen as a solid group of players.

So to resume, this is my opinion and no amount of abuses will change it. Was Keane one of the best British midfielder? Yes; was he one of the world best? Not even close; was he better than Pogba? No; Was he more effective than Pogba? Time will tell.

 

[freshibal]

wouldn't sell for less than £350 Million

 

[DRM]

wouldn't sell for less than £350 Million

This!

 

[Revan]

You don't sell your best player, unless he wants to leave and makes problems.

If he really wants to leave, then we should look at Neymar prices. When Erikson is mentioned as a 150m or so player, a better and more proven Podba should cost more. 200m pounds should be his price, only if he really wants to leave. Otherwise, build the team around him.

 

[diarm]

It's hard to disagree with this LoveFootball chap.

Apart from not understanding midfield play, not understanding football and not understanding geography, he's fairly bang on.

I don't know why people are insisting on abusing him.

 

[Steerpike]

Again, absolutely batshit.

It was true enough at the time. Pogba has started to play well under the new manager, but these kind of performances were nowhere in sight in the latter days of the previous regime (he wasn't even in the starting XI).

 

[Ed9]

One thing is we would get a lot of money for him, the other is there would be noone that good to replace him and if there was his team would milk us as crazy.

Or the glazers would just take the money. So no I wouldn't sell him no matter what offer.

 

[Jeppers7]

Don't forget Gorge Best for your god level - I saw him and he was that good :-)

Agreed, only seen him in clips but more talented than Ronaldo for me.

 

[Jeppers7]

@LoveFootball

Sometimes threads need to get derailed, and when someone keeps comparing Roy Keane to Jordan Henderson then it’s open season for a few pages of thread derailment in my opinion.

You’ve openly said that you have only watched YouTube highlights of Keane, so as someone who saw him play live over 100 times let me categorically state that your opinions are not only wrong, but completely worthless. At this moment in time, based on their united careers, Pogba doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Keane. Few more years until that conversation can happen.

I'm a massive Pogba fan....but this is correct

 

[Eric's Seagull]

I became a die hard fans of this club after that 99 final, before that I was not a one team fan, but that final made me completely fall in love with this club. But I'm not a biased fan who think our players were all world class and extraordinary.

I'm glad that you fell in love with the club after the final and hoped that you enjoyed the game as much as me mate .

If you'd been watching a bit earlier, you'd have realised he played quite well the previous game against Juventus.

 

[Spoony]

I'm glad that you fell in love with the club after the final and hoped that you enjoyed the game as much as me mate .

If you'd been watching a bit earlier, you'd have realised he played quite well the previous game against Juventus.

He was decidedly average in that game.

Great player. One of our best ever.

 

[Member 113277]

Agreed, only seen him in clips but more talented than Ronaldo for me.

Having seen both live (more of Ronaldo, than Best), I find them difficult to compare directly. A short (5'7'') forward, who was very difficult to tackle and had stunning acceleration over 5-10 yards at his peak, versus a tall forward who was very fast over a sustained distance at his peak. Both are/were good in the air (Best jumped well for his height) and are/were good finishers (possible Ronaldo a little more clinical) and both were effectively dual footed.

I would have loved to see them playing in the same team.

 

[hobbers]

£300m.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Agreed, only seen him in clips but more talented than Ronaldo for me.

I only saw clips of him but what particularly stood out from the limited footage I saw was the way he used to put his hands up beckoning the opposition players to try to tackle him.

 

[stevoc]

Because Viera had to do more for his team than shielding the defence? Viera needed another player next to him because, like Pogba, he had more to offer going forward and his talent couldn't allow him to only sit back and protect the back 4.

Keane is the typical British midfielder, less talented but a lot of aggressiveness and energy to run around like a mad dog. Those type of players look great under a well oiled team where their lack of skills are covered by other creative players (see Milner at Liverpool) , but would struggle under a different set up where their flaws would get exposed (Henderson when Liverpool struggle).

When they faced, Keane looked good because his game (most of the time our games against Wenger Arsenal) consisted on kicking the shite out of them, a physical game to compensate from the difference of talent between the two teams. Keane was more physical than Viera, reason why he was more effective in those games.

Up until this post i thought you were actually being serious.

 

[stevoc]

Surprised there is another person not afraid to tell the truth. If you don't share the consensus view that Keane was not extraordinary, you got labeled any kind of names on here.
Same with the other many overrated British/English players. You will see no one denying that the like of Schools, Giggs, Gerard, Gascogne, Rio, Rooney, Cole... were great players, but when you dare question someone like Alli's talent then you're immediately a wum, got labeled different names.

Schools was overrated to be fair.

 

[SwansonsTache]

I only saw clips of him but what particularly stood out from the limited footage I saw was the way he used to put his hands up beckoning the opposition players to try to tackle him.

The absolute state of the pitches he had to play on, plus the hacking maniacs with a license to roam he played against. Given the same circumstances Messi and Ronaldo would have been admitted to a mental ward after three games.

 

[LoveFootball]

I'm glad that you fell in love with the club after the final and hoped that you enjoyed the game as much as me mate .

If you'd been watching a bit earlier, you'd have realised he played quite well the previous game against Juventus.

Watched it mate and he was great. CL and WC football was the creme of the creme back then and Man United vs Juve was an unmissable fixture.

 

[LoveFootball]

Schools was overrated to be fair.

. This is what happened when typing whatsapp and redcafe replies at same time.

 

[BlueHaze]

Nothing less than £250m.

 

[Member 113277]

The absolute state of the pitches he had to play on, plus the hacking maniacs with a license to roam he played against. Given the same circumstances Messi and Ronaldo would have been admitted to a mental ward after three games.

You're right about the pitches - they were like turnip fields in mid-winter. I think a quality player would always be a quality player, though, they adapt their games to the context. Not much protection from refs in those days, either.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Glad mate.

Watched it mate and he was great. CL and WC football was the creme of the creme back then and Man United vs Juve was an unmissable fixture.

Totally agree with this mate. I loved that game and could watch the highlights over and over again.

 

[Jib]

Pogba is a better footballer than Keane.
And I think that Pogba is too good to be compared with Keane.

Pogba is a 2.0 Zidane or Ronaldinho. An artist ! Not a random british midfielder

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Pogba is a better footballer than Keane.
And I think that Pogba is too good to be compared with Keane.

Pogba is a 2.0 Zidane or Ronaldinho. An artist ! Not a random british midfielder

Although I disagree with the part that you say in bold. There are several people out there who have a similar view to you in comparing him to Zidane.
Here is a comparison video you might like mate