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Title should be changed to ‘Why Mourinho bought Fred.’
Maybe not trashing on him, but his future. Pretty much what happened in Lindelof thread.I don't think he's being trashed here today, most people want him to do well but are worried about his future here given he's struggling for game time.
Yeah I don't suppose the thread title is a ringing endorsement. However most fans I speak to are willing to be patient with Fred, given he's come to a new league under what turned out to be a doomed regime. The difficulty comes if Ole doesn't fancy Fred, the new man has nothing to go off other than pre-season sessions and his football with Shaktar and he's deemed surplus to requirements and worth cashing in on before he even gets a chance in 2019/20.Maybe not trashing on him, but his future. Pretty much what happened in Lindelof thread.
Writing him off so soon before giving him more time to prove himself.
The thing is with Fred, I can see him succeed here.Yeah I don't suppose the thread title is a ringing endorsement. However most fans I speak to are willing to be patient with Fred, given he's come to a new league under what turned out to be a doomed regime. The difficulty comes if Ole doesn't fancy Fred, the new man has nothing to go off other than pre-season sessions and his football with Shaktar and he's deemed surplus to requirements and worth cashing in on before he even gets a chance in 2019/20.
What makes him so good in your eyes? Personally i don't see it.He will find a spot in the team soon before long. Too good not to.
Well if Woodward was heroically blocking buying CBs then it's surely him who brought in Fred?Title should be changed to ‘Why Mourinho bought Fred.’
Yes, I have the same problem working out what his role is supposed to be. Our midfielders presently seem to have quite specific roles - Matic is the defensive midfielder, Herrera the ball winner, Lingard the advanced midfielder, and Pogba the main creative midfielder. As a system it's working quite well, so presumably Fred would need to show he is able to serve as a direct replacement for one or more of the present incumbents.I think he can definitely be a good player for us but it is hard to understand where he was supposed to fit in. An upgrade on Herrera/Pogba cover was the idea I guess.
What's this quote prove anything ? Basically the same basic stuff any player says when joining a club. It was obvious he was our scouts choice as Mourinho barely played him. Also it was in the same summer Ed vetoed CBs because they were expensive so care to tell us the rational behind him sanctioning this deal if it was Mourinho's choice and an underwhelming one too ?Fred was a Mourinho signing and the player was quoted as saying he joined us due to Mourinho wanting him. Mourinho also gave quite a few interviews to Brazilian media where he stated a Brazilian could very well be playing under him soon.
Let's not shit on the club scouts and Woodward in this instance.
Why would the club over look Willian in favour of signing a player from the Ukrainian league? And that for a ridiculous fee..What's this quote prove anything ? Basically the same basic stuff any player says when joining a club. It was obvious he was our scouts choice as Mourinho barely played him. Also it was in the same summer Ed vetoed CBs because they were expensive so care to tell us the rational behind him sanctioning this deal if it was Mourinho's choice and an underwhelming one too ?
So you want Sanchez to play on the right?If we were the ones who got Sarri and Jorginho we'd be feckin lethal.
De Gea
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Umm scouts ? And being scouted by City previously too ? He wasn't unknown.Why would the club over look Willian in favour of signing a player from the Ukrainian league? And that for a ridiculous fee..
Fred might not have been Mourinho's first choice, But to say Woodward and the scouts were buying players without Mourinho's consent is quite simply bollox. Jason Burt who is a decent Journo also says all the signings made were Mourinho signings.
Sounds a lot like what I heard about Lindelof.....No if he keeps getting caught in posession and putting us in trouble we can't have him around. Simple as that!
I was about to make the same post!Because we needed somebody whose name rhymed with,
“ Marcus Rashfords a manc born and bred?
Ed didn't veto the Perisic deal, he actually made bids which were knocked back by Inter. He also never vetoed the Willian deal because Chelsea wouldn't sell. Neither to us or Barcelona..Umm scouts ? And being scouted by City previously too ? He wasn't unknown.
It wasn't without Mourinho's consent, but it's obvious it wasn't his choice also. The most logical situation is that scouts suggested Fred on us and Mourinho said "ok, go for it". Not that he himself wanted him or not but it was a scouts suggestion and he agreed on it.
Again that was the same summer Ed vetoed Cbs and wasn't blindly following Mourinho so if he took the decision on vetoing CBs and is getting applauded for it so give me one reason to not criticize him for sanctioning such terrible business in same summer ? Or is he getting applauded when he gets it right while throw the wrong deed on someone else ?
If Ed is that great and read it right with the CBs, Willian and Perisic why didn't he veto this deal as well ? Give me one reason.
He did made a decision that those players weren't worth the value asked for them and decided to not pay, similar to Toby to.Ed didn't veto the Perisic deal, he actually made bids which were knocked back by Inter. He also never vetoed the Willian deal because Chelsea wouldn't sell. Neither to us or Barcelona..
A very reputable Journo like Jason Burt says all the signings made were Mourinho signings. Is he lying?He did made a decision that those players weren't worth the value asked for them and decided to not pay, similar to Toby to.
Ed proved several times he wasn't just following Mourinho blindly and decided when the player wasn't worth the price to back off.
So when we paid such ridiculous fee for Fred you can't but say Ed himself liked the signing and thought it was worth it so sanctioned the deal. It only works this way. He wasn't forced to follow Mourinho (if we assumed it was his target, I'm going on you with that despite thinking it was obvious scouts choices).
So logically enough if Ed is praised for not paying over odds for Perisic, Willian and Toby, he should be getting criticizing for sanctioning Fred's deal ? That's the only logical and reasonable thing I believe.
Whether Mourinho chose him or not, Ed wasn't forced to pay for him and he proved that 3 times with Perisic, Willian and Toby that he wasn't following Mourinho blindly and decided when to pack off when he thought the targeted players weren't worth the value of money, so when he goes and accepts to pay 50m for Fred it means he himself also liked the signing and thought he was worth the value mentioned so sanctioned the deal, otherwise why didn't he do what he did with Perisic, Willian and Toby and decided to not pay over the odds because they weren't worth it ?A very reputable Journo like Jason Burt says all the signings made were Mourinho signings. Is he lying?
He didn't travel to Dubai as his wife was expecting, so I wouldn't read much into Ole's decision not to involve Fred in this match.Ole preferred a 19 y.o. Dalot and 22 y.o. McTominay to kill off the game against Spurs. The message is as clear as watching on OLED Tv.
Because the fundamentals of his game are really good. Skilful, creative and direct. very important assets in a big team especially when playing small teams.What makes him so good in your eyes? Personally i don't see it.
A couple of physical six footers.Ole preferred a 19 y.o. Dalot and 22 y.o. McTominay to kill off the game against Spurs. The message is as clear as watching on OLED Tv.
Woodward bought Fred because he was a Mourinho target. Confirmed by Ducker and Burt. Woodward backed him to the tune of £400m? And he failed miserably, our players didn't have the intensity he said..Whether Mourinho chose him or not, Ed wasn't forced to pay for him and he proved that 3 times with Perisic, Willian and Toby that he wasn't following Mourinho blindly and decided when to pack off when he thought the targeted players weren't worth the value of money, so when he goes and accepts to pay 50m for Fred it means he himself also liked the signing and thought he was worth the value mentioned so sanctioned the deal, otherwise why didn't he do what he did with Perisic, Willian and Toby and decided to not pay over the odds because they weren't worth it ?
You're escaping from the question and main point, which I guess proves that you're out of ideas here. Fair enough then.Woodward bought Fred because he was a Mourinho target. Confirmed by Ducker and Burt. Woodward backed him to the tune of £400m? And he failed miserably, our players didn't have the intensity he said..
He's shit but he's already immortalised in song! Like Kleberson sneaking into the Anderson chant for the sake of a rhyming couplet.Because we needed someone to Rhyme with "Manc born and bred"