I don’t really know what you are trying to say except for the obvious.
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It is obvious, but I dont think anyone is saying Lindelof needs to play every single match against top attackers and never give away a chance.
Ok, agree. Also he is constantly being compared to Ferdinand and how he performed at his best. Maybe the best United defender of all time, playing with exceptional partners, in one of the best teams in the world. Lindelof is 24, plays in an average team by international standards, with new partners all the time. The comparison is not really of any value.
However, I think we have seen glimpses of what this team could develop in to as there is plenty of talent. And I really believe Lindelof can be part of that.
Yeah, I find it weird as well. Some people seem to think getting beaten by Ronaldo (potential GOAT), Kane (Best #9 in the world) and Aguero (PL legend in his prime) means he can't be a good defender. People are ridiculous.
Wise and objective views, I can only agree.
I think that is a comparison made with all of our CBs. Not just Lindelof.
It wasnt too long ago that we had the best CBs in the world and I think regardless of what our CBs do, our fans compare them to those players and will say they arent as good therefore we need better.
I'd liken it to Nani on the wing and not being Cristiano Ronaldo. The standard of comparison is too high. Nani wasnt really appreciated even though he was a good player. That goes for our current CBs too. Smalling has been a good CB but he isnt as good as Vidic and Ferdinand so nothing he ever does will convince some people.
And yes Lindelof will be in that situation too after the delayed honeymoon period that hes currently going through where a having a good month = our best CB this entire season. I believe the overhype more than counteracts the people who are already comparing him to Ferdinand and Vidic in terms of number of people, from what I've seen.
And no I don't personally compare any of our CBs to Ferdinand and Vidic, I compare them to the other players currently playing all over the world.
Huh? I happen to agree with their views to an extent on this player.
I generally think that - across football - attackers have gotten far better then defenders have. So yeah, I do think that you can be a top defender and get done a few times, it'll happen.
However I do think it's quite bizarre how people are heralding his performance against Spurs as something incredible (one person even described it as flawless) - when we spent a large portion of that game looking incredibly shaky at the back and like we could concede at any moment.
I mean, I thought he did well all things considered, so yeah it was a good performance.... but thats about it.
There's youtube compilation of brazilian Ronaldo making fun of Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro and the rest of then world best defenders, so no wonder someone like Lindelof will sometimes get outsmarted by world class players. Main thing is that he's playing with confidence and learns from that situtations since he's been really good at the RCB position.
Yeah, I think we're pretty much in agreement, I would see it as a really good performance, but now I'm splitting hairs.
I'm just saying, the praise he's getting for this game is over the top.
Set higher standards for him.
Haha taking the ball playing CB idea to a whole new level
Yep - I think this has been an issue for our country in general. It can be seen in both international competitions and European cups, generally the continental teams are much more adept at managing games, holding onto possession and slowly strangling the life out of a game once they're ahead. Oh and the worst 'skill' which is actually hugely important...buying free kicks, slowing the play down etc. It's the easiest way to defend, by not allowing your opponent to have the ball and frustrating them when they do.
If we are to ever challenge the best teams out there consistently it'll be by changing the way we defend a lead because with a few shrewd signings I don't think we're too far away from having a really balanced, technically strong attacking team.
If you think he was you can. He wasn't though. He got twisted blood. Lost his man numerous timesAre we allowed to say.. That he was very good..?
I get that people want him to do well and he has improved a little but if you think he was very good then my word. Spurs really should have scored 3/4 goals. Maybe we could have scored a few more too though.
Our defence is still a mess.
Yes it is, especially the second half of the match. When the rest of the team lost momentum, the defense, including DDG, was forced to fight hard and they did very well, including Lindelof.Are we allowed to say.. That he was very good..?
I happen to agree our defending was shown up in the second half against Spurs, but disagree our defenders were much to blame on this occasion. They are four players, and most of Spurs chances came as a result of them overplaying our midfield and outnumbering our defenders at speed, or getting easily to good crossing positions with lots of players in the box, leading to a few chaotic situations.
I think both Lindelöf and Jones did a very good job under extremely difficult conditions, particularly the last 30 mins. Not perfect, but very good.
Against top opposition, we need to defend better as a team for 90 mins, though.
Shaw made more than double the clearances of either our CBs, or Spurs CBs. 8 of them. So they Jones and Lindelof had a lot of help defending crosses.
Certainly, and they would need it as Spurs piled players into the box and their wide combinations took them past Lingard and Martial (and later Rashford) quite easily, while Shaw and Young were drawn in centrally. Typically, with Dalot coming on we managed to close off their left flank fairly well towards the end, but Shaw, Pogba and Rashford couldn’t do enough about Trippier and Lamela, mostly because P and R were spent.
If you win against Spurs away, in the form they have been this year and with the players they have, and also don't let in any goals then it's fantastic well done by the whole team, including Lindelof and Jones.
Him losing his man numerous times didn't happen really.
Thanks for the opportunity though.
maybe lindeloff has good momentum recently. I mean all our defenders, even fullbacks had great forms, but not permanent. Bailly was our future best Cb no doubt, smalling is by far our best defender, rojo at the begining look like an amateur but after a while was rock solid, even jones showed great quality when he had a run of games.
We really need an established cb partnership. I think Lindfeloof and smalling could do a more then decent job if they play togheter games after games.
Soljkaer has done well to establish a primary first team eleven, we were long due, like since forever to have the best team on paper play one game after another. Even SAF loved rotation to much.
We really need an established cb partnership. I think Lindfeloof and smalling could do a more then decent job if they play togheter games after games.
Soljkaer has done well to establish a primary first team eleven, we were long due, like since forever to have the best team on paper play one game after another. Even SAF loved rotation to much.
The 3/4 goals you speak of weren't down to Lindelof who is being hampered himself playing alongside a liability.
I think this is a curse you always will find with a big club that use to compete among the best in the world, and now produce mediocre results. People are sentimental. But it really is a curse for the young players to always be compared to club legends.
Lindelof is praised now, partly because he has played well, but also because he has improved his game and showed qualities people have been hungry for. When a CB drives the ball allover the pitch, it is taking command instead of sitting back. I would t call that a honeymoon, it is more an improvement and people like it.
Haha, its funny you say that the skills to slow down the match can be seen with continental teams, because my friends and I call that Chelsea football. They use to be very good at that. 1-0 and 75 minutes. After that; 3 slow subs, some slow freekicks, corners, talking with the ref, injuries, etc and suddenly the match was over. Italian teams are also skilled at this.
I dont agree with that because people are saying he played great. They arent saying he passed great or was really good on the ball. Those posts are about total performance not just one aspect of it.
So when posters make those glowing posts, a lot of the things that arent so great are being overlooked and lumped in together as a "great performance". At some point maybe a year down the line that grace period will be over and he'll probably be judged the same way as our other CBs and not have things overlooked by so many people
Can we get gif of that tackle he made? Vidic-like
Get a good defender like Vidic to play with Lindelof and he will be great. Smalling is not a player like that. Jones is but he has no brain. If he has a footballing brain and keep fit Jones would have been a top class defender. Remember the attack he created in an early game. If Rashford had passed it to him he may well have scored. Continental defenders are used to joining the attack during open play.
I remember Rio saying that Vidic is very good at playing football and he has the technical ability too and initially he used to try to join the attack but was told to stay back by United.
I remember Rio saying that Vidic is very good at playing football and he has the technical ability too and initially he used to try to join the attack but was told to stay back by United.
Vidic was one of our greatest defenders but no need to rewrite history. Vidic was not on Smalling levels of technical ability, but not far off. Rojo, Jones, Lindelöf and Bailly are all above in terms of passing and technique.
Haha no doubt starting when Jose arrived. I'll always remember when we went out to his Porto team, their LW (Carlos Alberto i think?) got about a thousand free kicks in the closing period of the game and made sure he rolled around in agony for each one to eat up the clock.
Italian teams are miles above us when it comes to legal fouls, particularly blocking off the ball. I'm not advocating we become a team that cheats but we need to manage games a lot better than we do now and, if we are under pressure, better to slow everything down, play some boring football but retaining possession and win some tactical free kicks high up the pitch than retreat into our box and try to defend on our goal line until the final whistle.
Smalling usually pockets Kane. So what point are you making?
The Vidic you saw was the one at Manchester United. I have seen Vidic play in Moscow. He is a decent player with decent technical abilities. He has better technical abilities than Smalling for sure. I agree that Rojo, Jones , Lindelof and Bailly are better in that sense.
That nobody is expecting Lindelof to play every game against top attackers and never give away a chance. Its quite simple. They want CBs who can usually play against top attackers and not give away much. Not every game. Not one game. But something you can count on to happen with regularity.
And for most of the game he kept Kane quiet. Kane got his chances when the donkey Jones was marking him.
Yep, but Toby got away from him on a set piece. I think Kane was clearly playing on Jones and got some joy with runs in behind him
Shame we won't get a center back in Jan. We got a real chance to get Top 4 if we got soemone dominant in beside Victor for the rest of the season. He has been very good but having partnersd like Jones and Smalling isn't helping.
If we miss out on top 4 by anywhere for 1- say 8 points I will be pissed cause it is literally throwing it away. Our biggest problem can be fixed this window with a bit of cash.
If we miss out on top 4 by anywhere for 1- say 8 points I will be pissed cause it is literally throwing it away. Our biggest problem can be fixed this window with a bit of cash.
Well, he’s the only one of your CBs I would like for us to have. And it’s a pretty hefty leap to the next one.
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Ignore the clickbait title and savour the video of that perfectly timed tackle on Winks. Who doesn’t love it when a United player gets the crowd on their feet by legitimately smashing someone? Not been enough of that in recent years. More please.
That tackle was a thing of beauty.
It did in the real world. Not in the Lindelof fan club land though.Him losing his man numerous times didn't happen really.
Thanks for the opportunity though.
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