What next for Mourinho?

Nothing new there tbh, the job was too big for him. He's simply admitting that he's not a Fergie. He needs a well organized club where he just comes in and does the tactics.
 
Wait, he is not getting any abuse for saying that finishing second with United is one of the best jobs he's done? What a cnut. :lol:

Tbf, the man says so many silly things that we can't focus on all at once

But still, that's just blindly holding on to his view that this team lacks quality... same team that has gone on to win 6 straight matches

In @Pogue Mahone voice, have a word with yourself..
 
Nothing new there tbh, the job was too big for him. He's simply admitting that he's not a Fergie. He needs a well organized club where he just comes in and does the tactics.


Even at that, he's failing woefully these days as OGS has proved in the past few games
 
Wait, he is not getting any abuse for saying that finishing second with United is one of the best jobs he's done? What a cnut. :lol:
He's said it before a couple of times when he was our manager. Not even worth the energy that guy.
 
Wait, he is not getting any abuse for saying that finishing second with United is one of the best jobs he's done? What a cnut. :lol:
Why should we care? His CV would look crap if he puts "Finished 2nd with United" as his best achievement over "Won PL with Chelsea" or "Won La Liga with Real"
 
It is a beautiful when a manager says that he is in the elite tier after begging for support when it comes to managing players.
 
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Me me me. He should consider changing his name to Merinho.
:lol: How did that not become legion when he was here? It's so good, it should have gone viral!

Hmm..let's see...spoilt, entitled and not willing to put the work in. No wonder Jose hates modern players, he's just like them, the stupid cnut.
:lol: Tell us what you really think, Dwazza!
 
The revisionism its strong in here. It goes to the point of downplaying what Mourinho has done at Porto and Inter. With Porto Mourinho not only won back to back championships - ending Porto 3 year trophyless run - but also won back to back european titles: the Uefa and the Champions League. This with a team that costed peanuts and in the age of the great Ac Milan side and the Real Madrid "Galacticos" - this is achievement alone will grant him a place in the history books.
He then went to conquer England with a record breaking Chelsea side and leaving behind a team that kept Chelsea winning titles for a decade.
With Inter, besides the back to back league titles he also won them the treble - only treble of an Italian side - beating in his way to the trophy the likes of Chelsea, Pep Guardiola all mighty Barcelona and Bayern: again this achievement alone will grant him a place in the record books.
Even in his Madrid passage he won them a League title - only one of the two Real has won in 10 years - and make them competitive again in the champions league: just remember that previous to Mourinho arrival Real had just went 8 consecutive years being dumped on the last 16: the last of them with the likes of Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Ramos, Marcelo and Xabi Alonso on the starting eleven.
After that in his second passage at Chelsea he still won them the league title, a cup and took them to a champions league semi final.
Now lets get to United, the job that granted him the "fraud" nick name. In his first year he won the Uefa Cup and a Cup securing United champions league football. In his second year he finished second, in front of the so called new generation top coachs Pochettino and Klopp and in his third year he was sabotaged in the pre-season with 0 backing from the board and publicly leaks about the board not acepting the names he suggest to the club: this passed the message to the players, press and Mourinho himself that he had no future at the club and set the tone for the miserable beginning of season that followed.
In short the only club Mourinho hasn´t won the league title was at United and even at United he won trophies including a european one so yeah the "fraud", like it or not, will be back managing a top clube come next summer and I would bet my house on it, will be back winning trophies again.

100 percent spot on.
 
The "structure" only aids in player recruitment, scouting and wage demands, etc. They do not involve themselves in "disciplining" the players, not unless they have committed serious offenses. Pogba did not arrive drunk for training and he did not assault anyone to warrant "disciplining".

What Pogba needed was man-management, which other managers are perfectly capable of, but Jose couldn't do it and is now hiding behind the fact that our club does not have a proper structure (but which isn't responsible for his sacking).

As I said, this is what Jose means by "discipline" - Sell Martial, buy Willian, freeze out Pogba and sell him if he wants to move. Not gonna happen. As an example, Chelsea had Emenalo ("structure") and still sided with the players over Jose.

Look, I will not sit here and justify everything Jose did. I am not cut that way. God knows he screwed up and deservedly got fired. And to even make him look worse, Ole is doing fabulously well. That is not my point. My point is that I still like the guy and think history will not be too harsh on his time here after all the emotions and sentiments have waned. I think that for people to say liking him makes one less of a United fan or look bad is ridiculous to me. And for me, not liking him shouldn't mean that whatever he says is rubbish or he is a fraud as some have said here. Well, they are perfectly entitled to their opinions.

I think the fundamentals of his narrative about club structure are correct regardless of how he is viewed as a manager or person. The top clubs in the modern game have to look at their structures because a lot of things have changed. Ole is fine today (and by the way, I voted for him to be signed up as our next permanent manager) but what happens tomorrow if a player starts disrupting his dressing room or some players want him out? Or maybe it will be Poch. What will happen then? If people think it is just Jose that experiences dressing room unrest or problems with specific star players then they have probably forgotten the travails of Carlo Ancellotti, one of the finest gentlemen out there or Pep with Zlatan, Etoo, Yaya Toure or with Sane or at Bayern with some of the senior lads.
It is even getting worse now. Player power is real in modern football and clubs must develop models to manage their relationships with gaffers. Maybe Jose was a real prick. But that does not change the reality that our boys largely screwed him up - justified or not. We can praise Ole to high heavens and he deserves it but it is clear the boys have raised their games.

For me, we should go ahead and get a very good DoF who can handle the football side of the club while the manager focuses on the actual field performance. This looks like the model of the near future for top teams.
 
The manager still remains the most important person, have to disagree with Mou. In his case, you would rather get rid of him than a handful of potentially world class players though.
 
By screwing him to the bench.



Technically he might be right about not being the man responsible for selling Salah, someone else signed off on it, but it comes off as pretty clear that Mourinho wasn't all that interested in having him back from his loan.


“I have five wingers, if I lose one maybe I am interested in another but at this moment I have balance and quality and numbers.”

“[But Salah,] I see his future elsewhere. Either on loan or sold with an offer we are happy to accept. We have five wingers and it is better not to have Salah back.”
 
He's gone on a pretty pathetic rant tonight.

Basically because he can't maintain a decent human relationship with players anymore the clubs structure must have been wrong.

It's a continuation of the same shite. Someone else is always to blame.
 
In fairness, this just sounds like a bunch of bs based on nothing more than a personal opinion. Historically, Mourinho has had major dressing room and management issues at most of the clubs he's been involved with, this goes back to the days of Sir Alex having full control as well. Chelsea, Real Madrid, Chelsea again and finally at Manchester United. In the past 15 years he's been at 5 clubs, only club he hasn't had major issues with in that time was inter, and we're supposed to believe that this marks the end of managers being in full control with absolute authority ? :lol: In the glorious words of Snoop Dog, Bitch please. We gave Mourinho full authority, problem wasn't lack of authority but what he did with his authority. Nothing major has changed, Mourinho is Mourinho. He'll take control of another club and within 3 seasons he'll be gone after yet another issue with the players.

Transfer fees have increased exponentially, mostly due to increased revenues.

Why hasn't Klopp had any major issues restructuring Liverpool, or Poch, Guardiola ? Yet the one manager consistently getting sacked because he's an miserable cnut, getting sacked once more because he's a cnut, is supposed to mark a major shift in power meaning that we'll struggle to change anything in the future. Christ :lol:

Not sure what you are referring to as BS but I like sticking to the point. We can go on and on about Jose's personality, history and whatever. He is not exactly a likeable character and that perhaps might be why I like him because I tend to take a second look at people most others love to hate. But that's me and it's besides the reality of the point which is that football has changed and clubs must structure properly in line with the change. I said it like a year ago: remove Jose but leave other things as they are and we will soon be in another mess. Why has Manchester United struggled since Sir Alex left? People actually blame Moyes, LVG and Jose entirely for it and already believe that just having Ole or Poch alone will get us back to the dizzying heights we were before. Big mistake. We have struggled because of a combination of reasons one of which is the very system and structure that made us hire the three managers in the first instance. We have serious catching up to do as a club. The right manager, the right players, a DoF, the right recruitment system, the right structure. I think pretty much everyone agrees that Jose is a prick, even those of us that like him. :lol: So don't worry trying to list his screw ups .
 
He's gone on a pretty pathetic rant tonight.

Basically because he can't maintain a decent human relationship with players anymore the clubs structure must have been wrong.

It's a continuation of the same shite. Someone else is always to blame.

You are both right. It isn't one or the other. Mourinho struggles to maintain good relationships with all players, but the structure of the club during his time here was also very poor. The example for the latter was to give him a new contract and then refuse to back him properly in the Summer.
 
I agree, without a DOF how can we expect to play attacking football or win as much as 4 straight league games with our horrendous structure?



Like Madrid and Chelsea?

That's not exactly difficult, is it?

A handful of games is relatively easy. Let's talk about dominating the league again. We will need a DoF or give Ole, Poch or whoever, Sir Alex's kind of power.
 
You are both right. It isn't one or the other. Mourinho struggles to maintain good relationships with all players, but the structure of the club during his time here was also very poor. The example for the latter was to give him a new contract and then refuse to back him properly in the Summer.

Solid post.
 
Never seen him as a pundit before, looks oddly jovial.
 
Look, I will not sit here and justify everything Jose did. I am not cut that way. God knows he screwed up and deservedly got fired. And to even make him look worse, Ole is doing fabulously well. That is not my point. My point is that I still like the guy and think history will not be too harsh on his time here after all the emotions and sentiments have waned. I think that for people to say liking him makes one less of a United fan or look bad is ridiculous to me. And for me, not liking him shouldn't mean that whatever he says is rubbish or he is a fraud as some have said here. Well, they are perfectly entitled to their opinions.

I think the fundamentals of his narrative about club structure are correct regardless of how he is viewed as a manager or person. The top clubs in the modern game have to look at their structures because a lot of things have changed. Ole is fine today (and by the way, I voted for him to be signed up as our next permanent manager) but what happens tomorrow if a player starts disrupting his dressing room or some players want him out? Or maybe it will be Poch. What will happen then? If people think it is just Jose that experiences dressing room unrest or problems with specific star players then they have probably forgotten the travails of Carlo Ancellotti, one of the finest gentlemen out there or Pep with Zlatan, Etoo, Yaya Toure or with Sane or at Bayern with some of the senior lads.
It is even getting worse now. Player power is real in modern football and clubs must develop models to manage their relationships with gaffers. Maybe Jose was a real prick. But that does not change the reality that our boys largely screwed him up - justified or not. We can praise Ole to high heavens and he deserves it but it is clear the boys have raised their games.


For me, we should go ahead and get a very good DoF who can handle the football side of the club while the manager focuses on the actual field performance. This looks like the model of the near future for top teams.

I'm struggling to understand why you are so hell bent on pushing a narrative that is simply not true, at all. If a manager falls out with one player while the rest are performing and the team is performing well, there's no issue whatsoever, the player in question will receive little or no support from the rest of the squad as he's the one behaving badly, the club will also be more than happy to sell him to prevent him from disrupting the rest of the squad. If the manager falls out with the majority of the squad and the team is not performing either (they usually go hand in hand..), then it's pretty clear that the reasons are slightly more complicated than "player power", and it's also pretty clear that the end result will always be that the manager has to go, no club no matter what structure they have is going to replace the majority of the squad.

Ancelotti is a great manager, but he was the wrong choice after someone like Guardiola, the Bayern players were used to a certain approach and Ancelotti was the exact opposite. Had nothing to do with him being a gentleman, his methods simply didn't work. He didn't fall out with one player, two players, he fell out with the squad over training methods and his approach to matches. Guardiola has had issues with individual players, never an entire squad, that's the major difference. How many Barcelona players were against the departure of Zlatan, Etoo, how many City players were going up against Guardiola to defend Yaya Toure ? Comparing this to Mourinho's history is an insult.

Furthermore, the desire to rewrite history in order to defend Mourinho is borderline absurd. You're arguing for a model that Mourinho dislikes, he was strongly against a DOF at Manchester United and he had a power struggle with Valdano at Real Madrid which resulted in the latter getting sacked, with Perez stating the following "The experience of the season just ended has shown the need for new organisation at the club, giving autonomy to our coach". Yet you expect us to jump on your claim that it's our structure that's the problem ? if we had a DOF during Mourinho's 2,5 seasons he would've been in a power struggle with the poor bugger from day one over which players to sign and which players to get rid of.

Like the majority i do agree that we should restructure the club and opt for a director of football, but pretending that our current structure, the same that Fergie worked with, is the major issue is insane.
 
Not sure what you are referring to as BS but I like sticking to the point. We can go on and on about Jose's personality, history and whatever. He is not exactly a likeable character and that perhaps might be why I like him because I tend to take a second look at people most others love to hate. But that's me and it's besides the reality of the point which is that football has changed and clubs must structure properly in line with the change. I said it like a year ago: remove Jose but leave other things as they are and we will soon be in another mess. Why has Manchester United struggled since Sir Alex left? People actually blame Moyes, LVG and Jose entirely for it and already believe that just having Ole or Poch alone will get us back to the dizzying heights we were before. Big mistake. We have struggled because of a combination of reasons one of which is the very system and structure that made us hire the three managers in the first instance. We have serious catching up to do as a club. The right manager, the right players, a DoF, the right recruitment system, the right structure. I think pretty much everyone agrees that Jose is a prick, even those of us that like him. :lol: So don't worry trying to list his screw ups .

It's only the same structure that brought Fergie a shitload of success.
 
The revisionism its strong in here. It goes to the point of downplaying what Mourinho has done at Porto and Inter. With Porto Mourinho not only won back to back championships - ending Porto 3 year trophyless run - but also won back to back european titles: the Uefa and the Champions League. This with a team that costed peanuts and in the age of the great Ac Milan side and the Real Madrid "Galacticos" - this is achievement alone will grant him a place in the history books.
He then went to conquer England with a record breaking Chelsea side and leaving behind a team that kept Chelsea winning titles for a decade.
With Inter, besides the back to back league titles he also won them the treble - only treble of an Italian side - beating in his way to the trophy the likes of Chelsea, Pep Guardiola all mighty Barcelona and Bayern: again this achievement alone will grant him a place in the record books.
Even in his Madrid passage he won them a League title - only one of the two Real has won in 10 years - and make them competitive again in the champions league: just remember that previous to Mourinho arrival Real had just went 8 consecutive years being dumped on the last 16: the last of them with the likes of Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Ramos, Marcelo and Xabi Alonso on the starting eleven.
After that in his second passage at Chelsea he still won them the league title, a cup and took them to a champions league semi final.
Now lets get to United, the job that granted him the "fraud" nick name. In his first year he won the Uefa Cup and a Cup securing United champions league football. In his second year he finished second, in front of the so called new generation top coachs Pochettino and Klopp and in his third year he was sabotaged in the pre-season with 0 backing from the board and publicly leaks about the board not acepting the names he suggest to the club: this passed the message to the players, press and Mourinho himself that he had no future at the club and set the tone for the miserable beginning of season that followed.
In short the only club Mourinho hasn´t won the league title was at United and even at United he won trophies including a european one so yeah the "fraud", like it or not, will be back managing a top clube come next summer and I would bet my house on it, will be back winning trophies again.

I agree with you on most of the points you have made, Jose is a great manager who has won many trophies which the footballing gods like that cheerleader and poch could only dream off but (bold part) is rubbish. Yes he didn't get another 400 mil to piss away by buying attacking players who would have been used to make up numbers in defence and never use their strengths as attackers. He was backed to a certain extent but obviously not given a country's budget to correct his mistakes. He did sign a player for 50 mil which he didn't even use, if he really wanted a CB then that 50 mil could have been used for a CB. If you're going to use "sabotaged" then I'd like to bring my conspiracy theory here. There was sabotage from Jose with line ups, tactics and subs, there was a clear sign of a man who wanted to run away from his problems and he finally got his Christmas present . Look for all the excuses as you will for Jose but there's is no excuse for a World Class manager like Jose to be Dominated/Outclassed by most of bottom half clubs in Premier League, regardless of whether you think this squad is good enough to win a major trophy or not.

IMO our squad isn't good enough to win CL/Prem but that squad was/is good enough to win and play good football vs bottom half teams. If he had Coached our current players then we wouldn't have looked as crap as we did, nearly every match we looked like 11 strangers on the pitch, that's on the manager. Bournemouth don't even have half the budget which jose had/ Bournemouth players don't even have half the qualities that United players have yet one team despite their limitations played better football/ took the game to their opponents and other played like cowards, that's on the manager.

Jose is not a "fraud" as some have suggested but at the same time he isn't the Jose that we saw at Chelsea (first stint), Inter, Porto and even Real. This Jose was different, there was no charisma, charm, aura about the man. He spent his time at United defending himself from the first moment with the list of youth players, trying to gain admiration from morons (pundits) and IMO forgot to do the thing he was known as the special one for, which was win. When United didn't win he blamed everyone but himself. IMO His biggest failure besides lack of coaching the team is he simply didn't recognise the players he had and bought, the biggest example is Pogba who is bought for 90 mil due to what he did at Juve (playing as a attacking player with limited defensive duties and first priority is attack) at United his first duty was to defend. I don't think anyone will ever pay 90 mil for a DM.
 
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