What next for Mourinho?

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No top club will go near him.

He could end up as Qatar, UAE or the Saudi national team manager though. They could afford his wages, remains to be seen if he would take the job or not though. At least he would be able to park the bus in every match and play on the counter and no one will complain about his negative tactics.
 

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+1 to me. Right on the money.

As for Mourinho's comments on needing 'help'. Talk about making yourself sound less than your reputation. His whole fecking schtick was making his players run through walls for him (since he was at Chelsea in 2004 anyway) - now he needs help managing the modern player? Idiot.

Madrid broke him. His comments back it up really.
 

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Of course he is taking a dig at Ed. And why shouldn't he? For me, the point is clear: football has changed. The days of Sir Alex having full and complete complete are gone. The days of managers being the masters are gone. It's the social media world now. The super star footballer is king. He is no longer worth 10 million pounds. He is now worth 200 million pounds and his brand is powerful. We can hate Jose all he wants but we will do well to restructure the club. If a manager cannot have absolute authority to discipline, then there should be a club structure that helps to keep the checks and balances. How is this hard to understand?
In fairness, this just sounds like a bunch of bs based on nothing more than a personal opinion. Historically, Mourinho has had major dressing room and management issues at most of the clubs he's been involved with, this goes back to the days of Sir Alex having full control as well. Chelsea, Real Madrid, Chelsea again and finally at Manchester United. In the past 15 years he's been at 5 clubs, only club he hasn't had major issues with in that time was inter, and we're supposed to believe that this marks the end of managers being in full control with absolute authority ? :lol: In the glorious words of Snoop Dog, Bitch please. We gave Mourinho full authority, problem wasn't lack of authority but what he did with his authority. Nothing major has changed, Mourinho is Mourinho. He'll take control of another club and within 3 seasons he'll be gone after yet another issue with the players.

Transfer fees have increased exponentially, mostly due to increased revenues.

Why hasn't Klopp had any major issues restructuring Liverpool, or Poch, Guardiola ? Yet the one manager consistently getting sacked because he's an miserable cnut, getting sacked once more because he's a cnut, is supposed to mark a major shift in power meaning that we'll struggle to change anything in the future. Christ :lol:
 

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Sounds like he's asking for support in managing players, not recruiting them. We did have that but like every manager who comes in they want their own team in to coach/manage and train the players.

I don't think Rui leaving helps Jose but I do remember some of the staff at Chelsea were there before Jose and they stayed on. Jose should've said something a year in if he needed help, we could've got the staff in.

I do believe you need people around you no matter how good you are. Fergie knew this. Maybe Jose is asking for something more than that even.

Probably at Inter the players bought into his style more than anywhere else. He made a lot of enemies at Madrid as well, what sort of staff did they have at the time? I doubt much would change at his time at Madrid or United if he had more support, it's difficult to cancel out his negativity. Also I think it's more palatable at a Chelsea, Inter Porto than at Madrid or United.

At least clubs know he's just there to set up the team tactically and if things go wrong, you've fecked up.
 

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He can retire this very minute and no way poch will beat his cv in 20 years.
Sure I don't doubt that for a second. Too bad that what he's done in the past doesn't necessarly guarantee that he would be a great appointment right now.
After witnessing this shiteshow and damage he has done here, I would think twice about hiring him.
 

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Who does Mourinho respect in the game? What manager(s) does he look up to or consider his mentor? He could do worse than listening to advice from someone he respects and considers his equal at least.
Some good questions there.

Don't think he considers anyone his equal.

I think his ego is so big that he thinks he is bigger and better than anyone or anything in football.

At one point he used to get on with Sir Alex, not sure about now.

His closest thing that you could label as a mentor was Louis Van Gaal, not sure how they get on now but at one point they got on well according to this article
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ose-mourinho-at-barcelona-the-highs-and-lows/.

Van Gaal liked his anger “His anger was fantastic to see,” Van Gaal said. “Then I said: ‘You are my man.’ ”

It seems that Jose respected Van Gaal for letting him take charge of a match in the Catalunya Cup which he won, when Jose said “He came down at half-time to the dressing room to listen to my team-talk. He didn’t want to interfere, because probably he thought that was right.”

Not sure if there is anybody else he really respects with in football that much that he would seek advice from them.
 

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Good luck to Jose finding that perfect club where he would not have to deal with player discipline, player learning and have a clear club structure with everyone excellent in their roles etc etc.

Anyways, good to see that he believes he is still good to be at top level (to be fair, even Moyes thought so I guess)
Hope he does well in his next stint.
The thing is he still doesn't understand why he was sacked. He now says that the club didn't back him in the manager vs player power scenario. There's a non existent self realization about why he failed, why the players (who left CL clubs to play for him) clashed with him.

He completely downplays style and tells everyone to focus on results! I mean is it that difficult to play good AND win? He is so shit. The man never understands football because all he wants is to be in the records which "stay forever".

He still believes he is in the Pep, Ancelotti tier. Needs a reality check badly. However I still wish him good luck because he did win things for us and we achieved our best position under him since SAF retired. He has a great agent so I won't rule out a big job for him.
 
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What a man! This guy doesn't give a feck about anyone apart from himself. If he hadn't been the Utd manager, which made me hate him so much, I could listen to this guy all day.
 

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Of course he is taking a dig at Ed. And why shouldn't he? For me, the point is clear: football has changed. The days of Sir Alex having full and complete complete are gone. The days of managers being the masters are gone. It's the social media world now. The super star footballer is king. He is no longer worth 10 million pounds. He is now worth 200 million pounds and his brand is powerful. We can hate Jose all he wants but we will do well to restructure the club. If a manager cannot have absolute authority to discipline, then there should be a club structure that helps to keep the checks and balances. How is this hard to understand?
You do realize that Mourinho was the reason why his relationship with the players fell apart in the first place. You can't keep doing shite job playing shite football week in week out and expect players to blindly follow. He benched an in-form Martial for Sanchez. He scoffed at him for staying with his partner at the time of birth. What do you expect from the players?
 

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The thing is he still doesn't understands why he was sacked. He now blames that the club didn't back him in the manager vs player power scenario. There's aa no existent self realization about why he failed, why the players (who left CL clubs to play for him) clashed with him.

He completely downplays style and tells everyone to focus on results! I mean is it that difficult to play good AND win? He is so shit. The man never understands football because all he wants is to be in the records which "stay forever".

He still believes he is in the Pep, Ancelotti tier. Needs a reality check badly. However I still wish him good luck because he did win things for us and we achieved our best position under him since SAF retired. He has a great agent so I won't rule out a big job for him.
Why wouldn't he be in Ancelotti tier exactly?
His time here ended in a disaster but as careers go he's still in top 3 with Fergie and Pep. Sure his career has gone down the boil and we're yet to see where will it go and will he have one last hurrah.
 

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His statement about structure wasn't even referring to efficiency of football operations, he was basically saying he wanted executive backing probably when he picked one of his petty fights. He doesn't even hide it. This guy assumes a sane minded DoF will back him and his antics. They wouldn't even agree with his transfer targets.
 

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Why wouldn't he be in Ancelotti tier exactly?
His time here ended in a disaster but as careers go he's still in top 3 with Fergie and Pep. Sure his career has gone down the boil and we're yet to see where will it go and will he have one last hurrah.
It might have slipped because he quoted those two in the interview.

But no, Jose is not in the Pep, SAF tier. These coaches evolved with football but Jose didn't. These two created teams that did justice to football. Jose's never did.
 

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It might have slipped because he quoted those two in the interview.

But no, Jose is not in the Pep, SAF tier. These coaches evolved with football but Jose didn't. These two created teams that did justice to football. Jose's never did.
Justice to football? What?
I was speaking career wise, not some vague point like justice to football.
 

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Saying Mourinho meant a DoF by 'structure' is either classic doublespeak or Neville Chamberlain level of naivety. He actively ruled against working with a DoF ffs, managed to kick even Valdano out of Madrid.
The man will say anything that needs to be said to defend himself .
 

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People are missing the point. There's no structure in the world that can help a coach that has a poisonous relationships with people and players around him.
 
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Justice to football? What?
I was speaking career wise, not some vague point like justice to football.
Trophies - Yes he stands there. Pep will surpass him easily in next 2-3 years coz Jose ain't gonna win anything soon with his outdated brand of football. I don't know if comparisons with SAF are even valid tbh.

But apart from trophies I will also remember how he left 3 of his biggest jobs. How he insulted his own club and how much toxicity he brought with him.

The fact that he won't get any big club of his choice is a testament to the fact that his career is on a downward spiral.
 

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I wonder what our squad would have looked like if he'd been backed in the Summer.

Martial out Willian in?
Pogba out some other 30 year old water carrier in?

It's frightening how much damage he could have done to us if he'd had his way.
 

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This is incorrect. When Jose took over, Cech was not an unknown quantity. He was the starting goalkeeper for Czech Republic, with whom he got to the UEFA Euro 2004 semifinals and was named in the all-star team as best goalkeeper at the tournament. So he couldn't have been an unknown player whose name nobody could pronounce. fecking Mourinho lying again.
 

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Trophies - Yes he stands there. Pep will surpass him easily in next 2-3 years coz Jose ain't gonna win anything soon with his outdated brand of football. I don't know if comparisons with SAF are even valid tbh.

But apart from trophies I will also remember how he left 3 of his biggest jobs. How he insulted his own club and how much toxicity he brought with him.
Managers betting sacked at their clubs shocker. I wouldn't be surprised if he won something in the future still.
 

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Trophies - Yes he stands there. Pep will surpass him easily in next 2-3 years coz Jose ain't gonna win anything soon with his outdated brand of football. I don't know if comparisons with SAF are even valid tbh.

But apart from trophies I will also remember how he left 3 of his biggest jobs. How he insulted his own club and how much toxicity he brought with him.

The fact that he won't get any big club of his choice is a testament to the fact that his career is on a downward spiral.
You make 2 prophecies.

- He wont get a big club
- He won't win anything anymore

I think both might be wrong. We will have to wait and watch I guess.
 

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Managers betting sacked at their clubs shocker. I wouldn't be surprised if he won something in the future still.
It was the circumstances under which he got sacked. Managers get sacked yes but you can't ignore the way in which he left. It was similar in all those 3.
 

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You make 2 prophecies.

- He wont get a big club
- He won't win anything anymore

I think both might be wrong. We will have to wait and watch I guess.
He might get a big club. What I said was a big club of his choice.

He might win, I take my words back but I have my doubts whether those would be anything significant. Of course all this goes into the gutter if he goes in a one team league like french
 

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He might get a big club. What I said was a big club of his choice.

He might win, I take my words back but I have my doubts whether those would be anything significant. Of course all this goes into the gutter if he goes in a one team league like french
Which would be a super smart move if he (or his agent) can pull it off.
 

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I'd love for him to go back to Inter where he can fulfill a lifelong ambition of managing Perisic. However there's no way the cnut would sell us Skriniar then.
 

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His statement about structure wasn't even referring to efficiency of football operations, he was basically saying he wanted executive backing probably when he picked one of his petty fights. He doesn't even hide it. This guy assumes a sane minded DoF will back him and his antics. They wouldn't even agree with his transfer targets.
This is how I understood his issues with 'structure' too..

Sounds like he wanted the club to back him in his silly fights with players who cost the club hundreds of millions of £££..
 

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Yeah he just had a fundamental view that was incompatible with United. He never understood that at United, you need the style. Not just about grinding out results. He didnt understand that at Madrid and not here. The second you lose the results, you have nothing and you lose all the fans too.
 

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Wait, he is not getting any abuse for saying that finishing second with United is one of the best jobs he's done? What a cnut. :lol: