What next for Mourinho?

[Hoof the ball]

First of all, credit to Richard Keys for his probing in that interview. He's the only one who came out of that with any real honesty, transparency and objectivity. Mourinho answered some things honestly, but in others he was evasive and even outright dismissive of.

As for Andy Gray. He was so far up Mourinho's ass he'd be able to brush his teeth in the morning.

 

[Alemar]

What exactly does he mean by lack of structure at Man Utd? We have financial experts, sponsors, we have training facilities and coaching staff, a stadium, we have board of directors, we have academy and reserve teams... What structure is lacking?

 

[Casanova85]

I'll say it once again: best scenario for him right now is Portugal NT, Euro final or winners in 2020 (Ronaldo's retirement) then back to an elite club (that suits him- fully backed up€££) with his prestige renewed or stay for Qatar 2022.

 

[endless_wheelies]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/livid-maurizio-sarri-chose-speak-13881869

Sarri:
"Today I prefer to speak Italian for my press conference, because I want to send a message to my players, and want to be very clear.

I don't want to make a mistake with my English.

I am extremely angry. This defeat was due to our mentality... and this is something I can’t accept.

"It would appear this group of players are extremely difficult to motivate."


Not just Mourinho who feels the need to use press conferences to criticise the mentality of modern day players.

 

[BluesJr]

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This video is absolute proof that he just doesn’t get it.

 

[Slevs]

Ole fixed it, don't worry.

Ole fixed the performances. The structure still seems to be a problem but its not highlighted now because Ole hasn't had to deal with transfers during his time here.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

Ole fixed the performances. The structure still seems to be a problem but its not highlighted now because Ole hasn't had to deal with transfers during his time here.

I was kidding, cheer up. He needs exuses, decided to go with structure one. Might not be that bad as Jose is saying.
See, he apparently does not know how that thing (United winning in extra time) is called. wtf does he know.

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[Ayush_reddevil]

The longer he stays out of a job the harder it will be for him to get a decent job

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

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[Adisa]

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What the feck is he trying to say?

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

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Mixed feelings on this bit, still talking about successes from a decade ago. Almost like has insecurity around his ability.

 

[Rolaholic]

These Bein interviews only reinforce my feeling of being so grateful that we don't have to listen to that raging egomaniac on a weekly basis anymore,it was draining all the life out of the club

Good luck to whichever poor sod hires him next

 

[RedPed]

Have you ever seen a more egotistical, arrogant individual? Dear me.

 

[Canagel]

He can take his "structure" and go feck himself. Ole has been here 5 minutes and is already doing a better job in the exact same environment.

 

[GM K]

It's two seperate arguments.

The structure at the club itself isn't why Mourinho failed, or Moyes and Van Gaal for that matter. A different structure wouldn't have prevented Mourinho falling out with everyone from star players to the cleaning staff. Every report indicate that he was against a change of structure at United.

Then there's the general debate, where i do agree that we should opt for a director of football. It will make it easier to plan for continuity by having a plan for how the club wants to play football, with a sporting director finding the correct type of players and where we hire a manager that fits into an overall plan, instead of hiring managers that have different views on how the club should play football. There's no invisible red string between Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho, they all represent very different approaches to football, which resulted in us spending an absolute fortune on players under Van Gaal that the next manager, Mourinho, didn't fancy at all. If we had a sporting director in place we might not have approached Van Gaal or Mourinho to begin with.

However, once we've hired the manager the structure, no matter what it is, won't prevent power struggles or the manager falling out with everyone.

No, they are not two separate arguments. Even if they are, they are very related. Almost inseparable.

The structure is what threw up Moyes, LVG and Jose, three managers we should not have had in the first instance considering United's culture, history and corporate character. People keep hanging these managers, perhaps rightly so but without looking at other angles to our failings in the last few years. Is Jose a great manager? Few will deny he is. Was he the right manager for United? No. He was not the right fit. I can say the same about LVG.

You agree with the idea of hiring a DoF. I am glad you do. That is the structural change I am talking about. If we get the right DoF, our recruitments will improve and so will other aspects that make up our football.

 

[Whiteside '85]

Feck off!

Aye Redped whoever ye are but I'm right it was a Mickey Mouse Double no Treble
Just my opinion.
I took my son to his first Utd match under Jose and Zlatan scored a hat trick, my son's first Utd game involved Zlatan scoring a hattrick for Man Utd against St Etienne en route to the Europa League trophy but the game was forgettable. Zlatan, up front for Utd, scoring a Hat trick and forgettable seems a mental conclusion when ye put that all together but that's an indictment of Jose right there.

Ole is doing an amazing job. I hope he gets there (top 4) and gets handed the contract to reward what would be an incredible achievement.
Wishful thinking maybe but I think Ole could do great things with this team, given the chance. Time to forget Jose.

My post count up
And Redped ... I'm coming back and even if you make the best comment ever recorded on this forum I'm going to drop a bomb on it.

 

[Slevs]

What the feck is he trying to say?

The question asked was what is better, winning trophies or finishing 2nd? Jose answered of course trophies.

So they mentioned Poch as someone who keeps getting top 4 (like Wenger) but never wins anything.

He said he doesn't want to be critical of his peers but it depends on what the board wants as objectives from the manager. If it prioritizes top 4 over trophies, then great.

They then asked him what would Poch prefer in Jose's opinion, trophy or top 4? Jose said until now he hasn't won anything so Poch will always answer top 4 but once he wins 1 trophy his answer would definitely change to trophies.

 

[bosnian_red]

What the feck is he trying to say?

Dont really disagree with him. Hes saying maybe Pochettino will think differently about his preferences when he actually feels what its like to win something. Mourinho was happier about his first season than second here, and most of us would agree despite finishing 6th vs 2nd because of the 2 trophies.

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

Think he is making a lot of sense, to be fair.

 

[PoTMS]

Mate, you've spent £400m. Just because you spent that money on shite, don't be bitter. It's all very well winning games while playing shite football but what happens when you're not winning. That's why you were sacked.

 

[BluesJr]

Mate, you've spent £400m. Just because you spent that money on shite, don't be bitter. It's all very well winning games while playing shite football but what happens when you're not winning. That's why you were sacked.

I wish someone would actually have the balls to say that to him instead of just wanting to suck him off like Keys and Gray.

 

[GM K]

You shouldn't have spent a ton of money on shit players you wouldn't even include in the squad then, you cnut.

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feck off with a structure, will ya?

O boy. I still like this chap. He had to be fired though. He sure had to be fired.

 

[Cloud7]

He is going to fail miserably in his next job. Seems that he hasn't learned his lesson and he is putting the entire blame on the club and players.

He’s learned absolutely nothing and it’s going to go up in even more flames the next time around.

 

[Footyislife]

Anyone else find it ironic he spent 90% of the time talking about his historical achievements when at United he was all about forget history you have to look at the reality? What a hypocrite.

He's like a whiny child who complains he can't succeed because everything wasn't perfect. Laughable really, hope another top team doesn't give him a chance & he's forced to prove himself at a second tier club so he gets back to what made him great at Porto/Inter. I respect what he did there so much because he really brought a different dimension to playing winning football. The RM, Chelsea, & United jobs have made him lazy.

 

[GledTheRed]

urghhh, glad this moron is no longer inflicting his drivel and garbage football upon us.

 

[GhastlyHun]

Looks like he's off to Germany next then?

There's only one club in Germany that fits his bill, and we don't want him.

 

[MooseTheMooche]

I wish someone would actually have the balls to say that to him instead of just wanting to suck him off like Keys and Gray.

This! Why he was never asked any uncomfortable questions is beyond me. He is constantly moaning about Klopp and Guardiola's spending, and that if he was backed completely by the club, then we would be playing just like the teams of the aforementioned managers. Thank God someone pulled the trigger on that grim moron quickly.

 

[Mick321]

The perfect interview. Emphasises what a self serving, dinosaur twat he is now and how right we were to get rid of him. I pity the next club that has to take him, I don’t even wish him on any of our rivals as I’m totally sick of hearing his whiny voice.

 

[fellaini's barber]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/livid-maurizio-sarri-chose-speak-13881869

Sarri:
"Today I prefer to speak Italian for my press conference, because I want to send a message to my players, and want to be very clear.

I don't want to make a mistake with my English.

I am extremely angry. This defeat was due to our mentality... and this is something I can’t accept.

"It would appear this group of players are extremely difficult to motivate."


Not just Mourinho who feels the need to use press conferences to criticise the mentality of modern day players.

feck me this guy is still on it

 

[Castia]

I believe the Jose factor is done, the Madrid players will tire of him even faster than last time if he ends up there.

 

[bond19821982]

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Mixed feelings on this bit, still talking about successes from a decade ago. Almost like has insecurity around his ability.

What kind of shit is this? Klopp doesn't publicily moan about board or transfers. He doesn't play shit football. He is continuously competing with the big boys of Europe. He doesn't fall out with his players.

Jeez - i can go on and on.

 

[Jig1234]

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Maybe a third crack at CFC....

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

So you can't criticize the structure of the club without being perceived as a Mourinho kiss-ass, then?

Our structure was definitely screwed up. We had no vision while hiring managers, no idea of how to spend our money, no consistent plan of who would have the final say in transfers, which party to chastise when players are not listening to the manager, no clear idea of what our specific objectives or expectations were.

Having said all that, if Molde's manager can come here and win 7 in a row with this squad, a man who prioritizes winning over everything else should have done better than he did this season. The fact is he prioritized his image, his ego, his excuses, and was more preoccupied claiming it wasn't his mistake than he was with fixing things. Every club, it's his 'me, me' attitude that leads to implosion, and I'm glad we got rid of him when we did. His interviews are still about he achieved so much with Madrid, and how he is not given as much credit as Conte for winning the league with Chelsea, and how Liverpool gave Klopp a better structure. Everything but him.

Like most of us, I really wanted Mourinho to succeed here. I wanted him to win games against rivals and rile them up in pressers. I wanted him to outsmart the 'poets' with well designed game plans, make Old Trafford a fortress, grind out wins against top CL opposition, and make us the most hated club around, again. But it didn't work out. He was too much of an egotist, and we were a mess ourselves.

Mourinho was a bad fit, and we did well to sack him. However, we need to acknowledge the little truth in all the stories he tells - we need better structure at the club. The days of SAF managing everything are over - we need to build separate modules to handle different aspects of the football club - the recruitment, the scouting, the DoF, the board of footballing people, a financial side - and lay out the hierarchies between them in stone. We need to have clarity as to what is expected of each part of the system, and find managers who understand and fit the new gloves the best.

We are hopefully on the right track if we're looking for a DoF before the next manager, but simply hiring a DoF isn't the solution. The entire structure needs to improve.

 

[Wooly Red]

Sure, your structure might have issues, but it doesn't excuse the dross on the pitch you had. You might not win the title but you weren't supposed to be this bad either; With every win Solskjaer is just making him look worse and worse. 7 wins now?

 

[Canagel]

feck me this guy is still on it

so insecure. Just like the man himself

 

[Womp]

So you can't criticize the structure of the club without being perceived as a Mourinho kiss-ass, then?

Our structure was definitely screwed up. We had no vision while hiring managers, no idea of how to spend our money, no consistent plan of who would have the final say in transfers, which party to chastise when players are not listening to the manager, no clear idea of what our specific objectives or expectations were.

Having said all that, if Molde's manager can come here and win 7 in a row with this squad, a man who prioritizes winning over everything else should have done better than he did this season. The fact is he prioritized his image, his ego, his excuses, and was more preoccupied claiming it wasn't his mistake than he was with fixing things. Every club, it's his 'me, me' attitude that leads to implosion, and I'm glad we got rid of him when we did. His interviews are still about he achieved so much with Madrid, and how he is not given as much credit as Conte for winning the league with Chelsea, and how Liverpool gave Klopp a better structure. Everything but him.

Like most of us, I really wanted Mourinho to succeed here. I wanted him to win games against rivals and rile them up in pressers. I wanted him to outsmart the 'poets' with well designed game plans, make Old Trafford a fortress, grind out wins against top CL opposition, and make us the most hated club around, again. But it didn't work out. He was too much of an egotist, and we were a mess ourselves.

Mourinho was a bad fit, and we did well to sack him. However, we need to acknowledge the little truth in all the stories he tells - we need better structure at the club. The days of SAF managing everything are over - we need to build separate modules to handle different aspects of the football club - the recruitment, the scouting, the DoF, the board of footballing people, a financial side - and lay out the hierarchies between them in stone. We need to have clarity as to what is expected of each part of the system, and find managers who understand and fit the new gloves the best.

We are hopefully on the right track if we're looking for a DoF before the next manager, but simply hiring a DoF isn't the solution. The entire structure needs to improve.

Good post, how I feel too. Sacking Mourinho was only the start.

 

[Irish Jet]

So you can't criticize the structure of the club without being perceived as a Mourinho kiss-ass, then?

Our structure was definitely screwed up. We had no vision while hiring managers, no idea of how to spend our money, no consistent plan of who would have the final say in transfers, which party to chastise when players are not listening to the manager, no clear idea of what our specific objectives or expectations were.

Having said all that, if Molde's manager can come here and win 7 in a row with this squad, a man who prioritizes winning over everything else should have done better than he did this season. The fact is he prioritized his image, his ego, his excuses, and was more preoccupied claiming it wasn't his mistake than he was with fixing things. Every club, it's his 'me, me' attitude that leads to implosion, and I'm glad we got rid of him when we did. His interviews are still about he achieved so much with Madrid, and how he is not given as much credit as Conte for winning the league with Chelsea, and how Liverpool gave Klopp a better structure. Everything but him.

Like most of us, I really wanted Mourinho to succeed here. I wanted him to win games against rivals and rile them up in pressers. I wanted him to outsmart the 'poets' with well designed game plans, make Old Trafford a fortress, grind out wins against top CL opposition, and make us the most hated club around, again. But it didn't work out. He was too much of an egotist, and we were a mess ourselves.

Mourinho was a bad fit, and we did well to sack him. However, we need to acknowledge the little truth in all the stories he tells - we need better structure at the club. The days of SAF managing everything are over - we need to build separate modules to handle different aspects of the football club - the recruitment, the scouting, the DoF, the board of footballing people, a financial side - and lay out the hierarchies between them in stone. We need to have clarity as to what is expected of each part of the system, and find managers who understand and fit the new gloves the best.

We are hopefully on the right track if we're looking for a DoF before the next manager, but simply hiring a DoF isn't the solution. The entire structure needs to improve.

Agree with every word of this post.

 

[MrMarcello]

Have you ever seen a more egotistical, arrogant individual? Dear me.

Yes, the current POTUS.

 

[UncleBob]

No, they are not two separate arguments. Even if they are, they are very related. Almost inseparable.

The structure is what threw up Moyes, LVG and Jose, three managers we should not have had in the first instance considering United's culture, history and corporate character. People keep hanging these managers, perhaps rightly so but without looking at other angles to our failings in the last few years. Is Jose a great manager? Few will deny he is. Was he the right manager for United? No. He was not the right fit. I can say the same about LVG.

You agree with the idea of hiring a DoF. I am glad you do. That is the structural change I am talking about. If we get the right DoF, our recruitments will improve and so will other aspects that make up our football.

The structure is also what threw up the one arguably one of the best managers in the history of the game. You keep claiming that the structure is the reason Moyes, Van Gaal and Jose failed, that they were always destined to fail, but you're yet to produce a single decent argument for it. One minute you're arguing that the sacking of Mourinho is everything that is wrong with modern football, players have too much power yada yada, next minute you're saying Mourinho was the wrong fit from day one.

 

[MDFC Manager]

These Bein interviews only reinforce my feeling of being so grateful that we don't have to listen to that raging egomaniac on a weekly basis anymore,it was draining all the life out of the club

Good luck to whichever poor sod hires him next

Absolutely spot on! Him going on about Klopp and Poch, the interviewers didn't have the bollocks to probe him about the obscene amount of money he spent himself?

feck me this guy is still on it

The money must be still trickling in from the master.