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A longer portion of the interview.
He’s so unlikeable.
It’s all about me me me. You didn’t support me, no structure, no respect. Farce of an interview. The interviewers just keep licking his a$$ and feeding him softball questions to rant. A very large portion of us loved and cheer when you came Jose. The fact that you exited the way you did (whether you engineered it or not) just shows how far your stock has fallen.
Hope you rediscovered your mojo somewhere else, but doubt it.
Hope you rediscovered your mojo somewhere else, but doubt it.
What he's trying to say his we should have sold Shaw, Martial, Pogba, Bailey at his request and bought new set of players for him. He must be out of his mind.
Good to hear him. He looks so fresh. He obviously had part responsibility for our troubles, which he won't accept, but let's move on. I am hoping he gets one more big club job. Will be very interesting to see how he goes about it.
My point has been consistent: football has changed and clubs must adopt structures that can help them cope/succeed. That has been and is still my point. Everything in between are illustrations. Your points largely buttress mine. Yes, that same structure threw up Sir Alex. I agree but the point is: things have changed. It threw up Sir Alex, gave him about six years to find his bearing and start winning and eventually gave him full authority that allowed him to send any super star who got too big packing. I asked you this before: could Woodward have told Fergie no if Fergie wanted any player? Or if Fergie insisted on selling Pogba?
Get something right, 'structure' is not the only reason Moyes, LVG and Jose struggled. Of course not! But it is a major reason they did because like I said, the structure got them hired in the first instance when they were apparently bad fits. And while here, not having a DoF worsened things.
I suspect the problem you are having in this conversation is that you think I am excusing Jose..I am not. His man management skills and arrogance failed him as much as anything else did. But this does not change the reality that our structure contributed to his failure and needs to be adapted for the next phase of the club's development. I believe this is why we are looking for a DoF.
Why? I dont want to hear his whinnie voice ever again. The guy is past it.
God he has lost touch with modern football and management. All he has is excuses for everything. Just read an interview of his on BBC. This is what he said
Isn't this all the part of the job? Basically he is saying I am an IT manager but neither can I handle the workers nor do I know anything about computers and the company doesn't buy me new computers, nor can I handle the iPads or Androids of the current generation.
When will he stop blaming the circumstances and look at himself. That he is unwilling to adapt to changes and new challenges?
I am sure Ferguson had similar challenges in the past. Heck, he had 3 different generations. He never complained about how he can't manage a X or a Y player. In fact he loved the challenges and was always willing to adapt to new conditions. A true leader.
His comment on Wenger about specialist in failure might just come back to haunt him in his later stage of his career.
- How one player recently asked him not to be critical in training
- How he doesn't park the bus
- How he was not supported like Guardiola or Klopp
- How the days of being an "all-powerful manager are over
Isn't this all the part of the job? Basically he is saying I am an IT manager but neither can I handle the workers nor do I know anything about computers and the company doesn't buy me new computers, nor can I handle the iPads or Androids of the current generation.
When will he stop blaming the circumstances and look at himself. That he is unwilling to adapt to changes and new challenges?
I am sure Ferguson had similar challenges in the past. Heck, he had 3 different generations. He never complained about how he can't manage a X or a Y player. In fact he loved the challenges and was always willing to adapt to new conditions. A true leader.
His comment on Wenger about specialist in failure might just come back to haunt him in his later stage of his career.
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Judging from the video, it's pretty clear his mentality was always "Me vs the world" and "everyone hates me". "I do not belong in the football tribe and never try to please anybody" says it all. He also kept pointing finger at the pundits/ media for hating him. It's true that there are double standards when it comes into him but that's what happens when you're on top, people will mock and make headlines out of your failures and controversies. You have to play smart and play along with the media.
Not to take anything away from him, to be someone who wasn't even related to football directly (He was only a translator) and went on to be one of the best football managers was a huge achievement. For some people They work well when They have a point to proof, when They're at the bottom, where people around them will then unite because They feel mutual sufferings.
In a huge club like Manchester United, it's proven not to be the case. After watching that interview, I feel like He was trying to turn our players into machines. "Winning is most important, no joking around, We have a point to proof, We suffer" mimicking his mentality, when all our players needed was someone to let them unleash their potentials. His mentality doesn't fit in the current generation of football players where They live much easier life and live for fun. When you take enjoyment out of them, They are no longer as motivated. He needs to adapt, it's not so much about play style, it's the way he views football.
Judging from the video, it's pretty clear his mentality was always "Me vs the world" and "everyone hates me". "I do not belong in the football tribe and never try to please anybody" says it all. He also kept pointing finger at the pundits/ media for hating him. It's true that there are double standards when it comes into him but that's what happens when you're on top, people will mock and make headlines out of your failures and controversies. You have to play smart and play along with the media.
Not to take anything away from him, to be someone who wasn't even related to football directly (He was only a translator) and went on to be one of the best football managers was a huge achievement. For some people They work well when They have a point to proof, when They're at the bottom, where people around them will then unite because They feel mutual sufferings.
In a huge club like Manchester United, it's proven not to be the case. After watching that interview, I feel like He was trying to turn our players into machines. "Winning is most important, no joking around, We have a point to proof, We suffer" mimicking his mentality, when all our players needed was someone to let them unleash their potentials. His mentality doesn't fit in the current generation of football players where They live much easier life and live for fun. When you take enjoyment out of them, They are no longer as motivated. He needs to adapt, it's not so much about play style, it's the way he views football.
He stopped us changing the structure he keeps complaining about.
Can't people see through this bullshit?
Can't people see through this bullshit?
We should close this thread and try to forget that he ever existed.
Maybe something about individual views? As I said, I don't absolve him of blame but I don't singularly blame him for our troubles either. Also, if he is going to analyze games regularly, he will be far far above any pundits out there on any channel, which is a plus.
Another thing that is wrong is when people call him a pragmatist. He is not.
That interview shows he hates the way modern football is viewed and will never conform.
That's not pragmatism. That's being deliberately contrarian.
That interview shows he hates the way modern football is viewed and will never conform.
That's not pragmatism. That's being deliberately contrarian.
Total lack of self assessment form the guy. I'm 10000% more convinced we were right to sack him and should have done long ago. Should never have come here in the first place.
Guys don't need to hate him, he still done more in 2 years, more then klopp and Poch combined, on paper at least. He finished 2th, let's see when we are going to finish second again firstly. Also it's very obvious that the players and transfers department let him down this third year. He done is job in those 2 years, winning some trophies, qualifiy for CL, and highest league finish post Fergie. People tend to downplay this achievements. Another type of good striker, not Lukaku and a great CB would have done wonders for Mourinhos team. Lets say a 31 Ibra and Aldeweirde would have brought even better results, despite playing horrible football.
Anyway it was the right choice for the club and mourinho to depart.
I say again, no other manager would have achieved better results in the last 2 years, not even Guardiola. Mourinho got the max he could, on paper.
Anyway it was the right choice for the club and mourinho to depart.
I say again, no other manager would have achieved better results in the last 2 years, not even Guardiola. Mourinho got the max he could, on paper.
At least he's straightforward about it. The other Jose cultists have restrategized with the 'no manager can succeed with our structure' crap
You must be a 'Mourinho fanboy'
You must be a 'Mourinho cultist'
You must hate Manchester United.
A true Manchester United fan cannot give the evil and despicable Mourinho any credit at all.
It's between emotions and logic. You saw horrible football, I saw some achievements. But do you agree that he got max results and achievements for the club in the last 2 years, and I am not talking about this third year? Do you agree that no other manager would have achieved more then mourinho in his first 2 seasons here?
'JoMo's Bizzare Adventure' should be the title of this thread.
I feel so too.
He's learnt nothing from his last 3 jobs. He can't seem to realize that he was part of the problem.
Ronaldo says he wants to play at the next WC
It is really not good to hear him and I hope his next job is at city or livers so he can drive them into the ground too.
Klopp and Poch worked with a smaller budget and built the foundations to do well in the future. Mou wasted the money mostly on tripe and has only 2 mickey mouse cups to show for.
Can’t believe Mourinho fanboy still believe he is better than Giardiola ~
Look at the spirit of his comments (for those saying he spent 400 million).
He's saying Klopp's team now contains maybe 1 or 2 players he inherited.
He also said Guardiola bought Bravo, saw that it didn't work after one season, then bought Ederson. That's what he meant by those two being backed more. It's not a case of spending money, it's a case of requesting a transfer and getting it quickly (which we seem to dither on).
Nothing wrong with being Jose In/Out and loving Man Utd. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
However, to say that all of our problems are down to his ego is downright obtuse. Yeah, Ole has won 7 games, and i hope he wins 700 more, but he hasn't had to deal with the transfers part yet (requests vs incomings/outgoings)
Jose is a chequebook manager. In some cases he has worked with what he has but for most of his career he's been a chequebook manager, similar to Pep. When you get him, you need to get him every player he wants. Is this the utd way? No, but that was the board's decision wasn't it?
To compare what Jose is saying.
Mendy got injured last year, Pep bought a left back the next day.
Jose wanted Perisic, we dithered for 2 seasons and haggled over 5 million.
He's saying Klopp's team now contains maybe 1 or 2 players he inherited.
He also said Guardiola bought Bravo, saw that it didn't work after one season, then bought Ederson. That's what he meant by those two being backed more. It's not a case of spending money, it's a case of requesting a transfer and getting it quickly (which we seem to dither on).
Nothing wrong with being Jose In/Out and loving Man Utd. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
However, to say that all of our problems are down to his ego is downright obtuse. Yeah, Ole has won 7 games, and i hope he wins 700 more, but he hasn't had to deal with the transfers part yet (requests vs incomings/outgoings)
Jose is a chequebook manager. In some cases he has worked with what he has but for most of his career he's been a chequebook manager, similar to Pep. When you get him, you need to get him every player he wants. Is this the utd way? No, but that was the board's decision wasn't it?
To compare what Jose is saying.
Mendy got injured last year, Pep bought a left back the next day.
Jose wanted Perisic, we dithered for 2 seasons and haggled over 5 million.
Is that the first time he's admitted to being in the laundry basket to get around the UEFA ban? Surely UEFA should be looking to take some action? He's ignored a stadium ban.
Sure
Absolute bollocks.
If you look at the players Pep and Klopp bought for the 50m price quoted for Persic, you would see that they were at a pretty decent age and had resale value. The board just can't keep throwing away money on players who wouldn't provide any real resale value and would start declining in a year ala Matic.
Jose wanted to sign Toby/Maguire. Both were coming if we had paid 70m. Maguire isn't worth that. And injury prone 29yr old Toby also wasn't.
Jose wanted to give up Martial for Willian. Make of that of what you will.
He got the players which represented decent value. If he goes full Mourinho then the board can't be blamed because he was incapable of identifying younger, better value players.
Thanks.
The board knew what they were getting with Mourinho. He likes the peak player throughout the squad, not the younger work in progress. Is it Jose's fault the board hired him and expected him to change his ways?
Furthermore, Jose said he gave the club a list of 5 players for each position we needed to strenghten in the summer. We signed Fred and a 19 year old young right back (am i missing someone else?)
I'm not absolving Jose of the blame, the performances were terrible, but the board has now chosen 3 managers that are not correlated with the club's ethos and philosophy. The board isn't faultless and that's what he's saying.
The most thin skinned man in sport, yet found it odd a player respectfully asked him to stop slating him in public sums him up.
So ironic isn’t it?
I'm not interested in the outdated bitter ramblings of "The Translator"
He should disappear off to Turkey
He should disappear off to Turkey
He seems to talk a lot of sense. But then it's always about cherry picking:
a. Real Madrid record season
b. Chelsea first stint
c. Inter champions league win
As he looks past his failures conveniently. And the me vs the world narrative is very difficult to put up with
a. Real Madrid record season
b. Chelsea first stint
c. Inter champions league win
As he looks past his failures conveniently. And the me vs the world narrative is very difficult to put up with
And you also conveniently forget the rot started last January and what happened this season was just a continuation of that
The Sanchez/Martial debacle
The Sevilla Horror show
The Pogba/Mctominy ego trip
They all had their roots sown from January last year so no, he didn't have a good 2 years but a good 18months. This season didn't just happen suddenly and was slowly caused by no one but the manager, don't rewrite history please.
Sure our structure is far from perfect and I have no time for those leeches that own the club but he took over a team that had finished 5th just one point off the cl places and 5 points off second place on top of that the club had also won the FA cup.
He was then backed to the hilt with money to add to a decent squad and move the club forward but as they say the rest is history.
He was the problem end of.
He was then backed to the hilt with money to add to a decent squad and move the club forward but as they say the rest is history.
He was the problem end of.
Wasn't gonna comment on this man since he's thankfully, no longer our manager but since I can't escape all those little snippets on reddit of what he's saying...
This interview of his in which he's trying to paint himself as a victim once more, is probably doing him far more harm because it's all there to see how deluded he is.
He needs to learn how to be critical of himself before going on to criticise others.
This interview of his in which he's trying to paint himself as a victim once more, is probably doing him far more harm because it's all there to see how deluded he is.
He needs to learn how to be critical of himself before going on to criticise others.
I hope this thread goes away. I'm so sick and tired of the negative/dinosaur/pessimistic/narcissistic/ one, that I hope this thread goes away sooner rather than later, and he gets to be the forgotten one, and hidden away in the most dark corners of the history books of this great club. I could care less wtf he does, as long as it is as far away from here as possible.
I hope he never gets to manage a top club again, but in saying that, I'm probably being too optimistic in human beings and their stupidity. Someone will probably take the ancient one on and regret it. And then some other club again.
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Way too optimistic imo.
Got to say, it’s fascinating to see all the attention you all are giving him! The man is box office, no matter what