Suedesi
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A longer portion of the interview.
What kind of shit is this? Klopp doesn't publicily moan about board or transfers. He doesn't play shit football. He is continuously competing with the big boys of Europe. He doesn't fall out with his players.
Jeez - i can go on and on.
My point has been consistent: football has changed and clubs must adopt structures that can help them cope/succeed. That has been and is still my point. Everything in between are illustrations. Your points largely buttress mine. Yes, that same structure threw up Sir Alex. I agree but the point is: things have changed. It threw up Sir Alex, gave him about six years to find his bearing and start winning and eventually gave him full authority that allowed him to send any super star who got too big packing. I asked you this before: could Woodward have told Fergie no if Fergie wanted any player? Or if Fergie insisted on selling Pogba?The structure is also what threw up the one arguably one of the best managers in the history of the game. You keep claiming that the structure is the reason Moyes, Van Gaal and Jose failed, that they were always destined to fail, but you're yet to produce a single decent argument for it. One minute you're arguing that the sacking of Mourinho is everything that is wrong with modern football, players have too much power yada yada, next minute you're saying Mourinho was the wrong fit from day one.
Why? I dont want to hear his whinnie voice ever again. The guy is past it.Good to hear him. He looks so fresh. He obviously had part responsibility for our troubles, which he won't accept, but let's move on. I am hoping he gets one more big club job. Will be very interesting to see how he goes about it.
Maybe something about individual views? As I said, I don't absolve him of blame but I don't singularly blame him for our troubles either. Also, if he is going to analyze games regularly, he will be far far above any pundits out there on any channel, which is a plus.Why? I dont want to hear his whinnie voice ever again. The guy is past it.
At least he's straightforward about it. The other Jose cultists have restrategized with the 'no manager can succeed with our structure' crapso insecure. Just like the man himself
You must be a 'Mourinho fanboy'Guys don't need to hate him, he still done more in 2 years, more then klopp and Poch combined, on paper at least. He finished 2th, let's see when we are going to finish second again firstly. Also it's very obvious that the players and transfers department let him down this third year. He done is job in those 2 years, winning some trophies, qualifiy for CL, and highest league finish post Fergie. People tend to downplay this achievements. Another type of good striker, not Lukaku and a great CB would have done wonders for Mourinhos team. Lets say a 31 Ibra and Aldeweirde would have brought even better results, despite playing horrible football.
Anyway it was the right choice for the club and mourinho to depart.
I say again, no other manager would have achieved better results in the last 2 years, not even Guardiola. Mourinho got the max he could, on paper.
It's between emotions and logic. You saw horrible football, I saw some achievements. But do you agree that he got max results and achievements for the club in the last 2 years, and I am not talking about this third year? Do you agree that no other manager would have achieved more then mourinho in his first 2 seasons here?You must be a 'Mourinho fanboy'
You must be a 'Mourinho *******'
You must hate Manchester United.
A true Manchester United fan cannot give the evil and despicable Mourinho any credit at all.
I feel so too.He is going to fail miserably in his next job. Seems that he hasn't learned his lesson and he is putting the entire blame on the club and players.
Ronaldo says he wants to play at the next WCI'll say it once again: best scenario for him right now is Portugal NT, Euro final or winners in 2020 (Ronaldo's retirement) then back to an elite club (that suits him- fully backed up€££) with his prestige renewed or stay for Qatar 2022.
It is really not good to hear him and I hope his next job is at city or livers so he can drive them into the ground too.Good to hear him. He looks so fresh. He obviously had part responsibility for our troubles, which he won't accept, but let's move on. I am hoping he gets one more big club job. Will be very interesting to see how he goes about it.
Klopp and Poch worked with a smaller budget and built the foundations to do well in the future. Mou wasted the money mostly on tripe and has only 2 mickey mouse cups to show for.Guys don't need to hate him, he still done more in 2 years, more then klopp and Poch combined, on paper at least. He finished 2th, let's see when we are going to finish second again firstly. Also it's very obvious that the players and transfers department let him down this third year. He done is job in those 2 years, winning some trophies, qualifiy for CL, and highest league finish post Fergie. People tend to downplay this achievements. Another type of good striker, not Lukaku and a great CB would have done wonders for Mourinhos team. Lets say a 31 Ibra and Aldeweirde would have brought even better results, despite playing horrible football.
Anyway it was the right choice for the club and mourinho to depart.
I say again, no other manager would have achieved better results in the last 2 years, not even Guardiola. Mourinho got the max he could, on paper.
Can’t believe Mourinho fanboy still believe he is better than Giardiola ~
I say again, no other manager would have achieved better results in the last 2 years, not even Guardiola. Mourinho got the max he could, on paper.
SureIt is really not good to hear him and I hope his next job is at city or livers so he can drive them into the ground too.
Absolute bollocks.Look at the spirit of his comments (for those saying he spent 400 million).
He's saying Klopp's team now contains maybe 1 or 2 players he inherited.
He also said Guardiola bought Bravo, saw that it didn't work after one season, then bought Ederson. That's what he meant by those two being backed more. It's not a case of spending money, it's a case of requesting a transfer and getting it quickly (which we seem to dither on).
Nothing wrong with being Jose In/Out and loving Man Utd. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
However, to say that all of our problems are down to his ego is downright obtuse. Yeah, Ole has won 7 games, and i hope he wins 700 more, but he hasn't had to deal with the transfers part yet (requests vs incomings/outgoings)
Jose is a chequebook manager. In some cases he has worked with what he has but for most of his career he's been a chequebook manager, similar to Pep. When you get him, you need to get him every player he wants. Is this the utd way? No, but that was the board's decision wasn't it?
To compare what Jose is saying.
Mendy got injured last year, Pep bought a left back the next day.
Jose wanted Perisic, we dithered for 2 seasons and haggled over 5 million.
Thanks.Absolute bollocks.
If you look at the players Pep and Klopp bought for the 50m price quoted for Persic, you would see that they were at a pretty decent age and had resale value. The board just can't keep throwing away money on players who wouldn't provide any real resale value and would start declining in a year ala Matic.
Jose wanted to sign Toby/Maguire. Both were coming if we had paid 70m. Maguire isn't worth that. And injury prone 29yr old Toby also wasn't.
Jose wanted to give up Martial for Willian. Make of that of what you will.
He got the players which represented decent value. If he goes full Mourinho then the board can't be blamed because he was incapable of identifying younger, better value players.
So ironic isn’t it?The most thin skinned man in sport, yet found it odd a player respectfully asked him to stop slating him in public sums him up.
And you also conveniently forget the rot started last January and what happened this season was just a continuation of thatHe done is job in those 2 years, winning some trophies, qualifiy for CL, and highest league finish post Fergie.
I hope he never gets to manage a top club again, but in saying that, I'm probably being too optimistic in human beings and their stupidity. Someone will probably take the ancient one on and regret it. And then some other club again.Wasn't gonna comment on this man since he's thankfully, no longer our manager but since I can't escape all those little snippets on reddit of what he's saying...
This interview of his in which he's trying to paint himself as a victim once more, is probably doing him far more harm because it's all there to see how deluded he is.
He needs to learn how to be critical of himself before going on to criticise others.
Way too optimistic imo.I hope he never gets to manage a top club again, but in saying that, I'm probably being to optimistic in human beings and their stupidity. Someone will probably take the ancient one on and regret it. And then some other club again.