I'm not sure about him..
I can't quite put my finger on it but he just reminds of Phil Jones somehow.
I can't quite put my finger on it but he just reminds of Phil Jones somehow.
Harry Maguire
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Both ugly as fcuk perhaps?
Van Dijk was calamitous there for Maguire’s goal.
I think he’s a good player and would be a fine partner for Lindelof.
Always rated Maguire, in his Hull days he stood out as a good ball playing centre half, having a good game tonight. I think hes would be an improvement on jones and smalling
Class tonight, both on and off the ball.
Some impressive passing today, stepping out, finding forwards through the lines. However my doubts about his defending continue. The Rashford goal was lovely from a Utd perspective but Maguire was ball watching badly, focused on Pogba when he already had a midfielder in front close enough to engage Pogba. Yes Chilwell, is at least equally culpable(and the poor clearance more so) but I would expect the CB to be more aware of the danger.
He is going to be under far more scrutiny at a big club than he is a Leicester. that pass he played in the 72 min to Mendy with Herrera right up his back was a greater risk than the one Jones played to Pereira.
He is going to be under far more scrutiny at a big club than he is a Leicester. that pass he played in the 72 min to Mendy with Herrera right up his back was a greater risk than the one Jones played to Pereira.
We should go all out for him in the summer. One of the best CBs.
Thought he played well today, cut out the interceptions and passing was excellent up to final third.
Johnny Evans far weaker of the two CBs.
Johnny Evans far weaker of the two CBs.
Looked good. We need a CB like him to partner Lindelof. Someone who can win headers in defense and attack. He also has good passing ability.
I think it's unfair to put that goal on him when the full back gives that ball away like that. His threat on set pieces is very good option to have for any team. I'd take him here, but not at the price we would be forced to pay.
If he was faster, i would be up for it. I think his lack of pace and acceleration makes him look bad at times. But his runs with the ball are great and dangerous offensively on corners/freekicks
Agreed. If Maguire is going to be upwards of £50m just spend £100m on Koulibaly. Koulibaly is basically twice the defender IMO anyway.
He hasn't got anywhere near the range of facial expressions that Jones has.
Yes is unfair but if he comes to Utd that will be par for the course, we hyper-analysis conceded goals to see who is culpable. He could have defended better for that goal, Rashford was the threat, fantastic pass, take and finish probably means even switched on he does not get close but the lack of awareness has to be noted.
Fantastic against Liverpool and again today. Cant think of many defenders better on the ball.
You can’t expect for a defender to regroup quickly when your own team mate in defense gave the ball away, Pogba’s passing wasn’t just quality but his decision to release it quickly also plays part in Leicester’s defense not able to regroup. If there is one guy who should have done better for that goal has to be Pereira who gave it away from the first place.
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He's a good defender.
Not £75m good which was the issue.
Not £75m good which was the issue.
I can.
Hes a player I have confidence in making the stepup and taking his game to the next level with better players around him, like Van Dijk. Would definitely pay the 75m if he was a bit quicker...
60m would be fair.
Thats my issue, if he was as quick as van Dijk, i would buy him. But he has no recovery pace and turns like a tank at times. But his on the ball and heading ability is not in doubt. I think he is overall solid defensively with room for improvement. You would expect a guy with his body to not be as good with bringing out the ball from the back as he is, surprises me at times.
As it stands, 75m is far too much. 50m would be a good price though, but that wont be enough. I would rather go for other options as things stand, i feel too much getting pissed over by Leicester with that price tag.
When you were linked last summer I was actually surprised you weren't offering Phil Jones to them to try to bridge that transfer valuation gap. Jones been at the club since 2011 so you know his level by now and it isn't going to magically improve. Smalling is better but another season where he's picked up niggling injuries so struggles to get that rhythm.
If we were to go for him partnering him with Bailly would make the most sense as he seems quiet slow.
That could be a good way to land him, but Jones injury record might be too much of a concern for them.
I was going to say Rojo instead....but he's available for selection even less than Jones seemingly.
Man. United don't half have some defenders on their books who aren't seen in months...Valencia for one, is Darmain still on your books or did he get sold in the window?
Pogba and Rash made the best out of the situation which needed some basics : one touch followed by a good pass, then a good first touch and a calm finish without hesitation. These can kill any defence. I remember my coach asking me to take a shot with no more touches on the ball when I get a through pass and if I am not sure about my balance then try with one more touch. And he was right. Quick release gives no time to defenders and goalies to react. Pogba was class and Rash's finish was top of the top.
Maguire is a player we need.
Would really love him here and I think he could make a real great partner for Lindelof, but Leicester asking stupid money will mean it won’t happen. Perhaps this summer they will be more reasonable as the World Cup hysteria has blown over a bit ?
Genuinely though can you actually? In the first half today Maguire went on a mazy run all the way down the wing, how many other centre backs could actually do that, especially when you factor in his immense physical presence. Personally I believe that the reason he is underrated is because he's English and unglamorous and Utd fans are even more petrified because we have two players (Smalling and Jones) that sub-consciously are being compared to him as failures.
Maguire literally ticks every box:
- Arial ability (at both ends)
- English
- Good Age
- Physical
- Leader (Vocal)
- Strong mentality (Has a good attitude and will be unfazed with criticism)
He's a class act on and off the pitch and would be a great asset for this club, whether he is better than others (I.e Koulibaly) i have no idea but he's certainly a huge improvement on what we have.
Impressive considering he can't run?
I agree. He would be decent at maybe 60, 65 million or 65 with add-ons. Personally i would not like us to spend a 100 million on a defender. I dont think they are worth it. An attacker yes. Would love if we got Sancho too. He would cost in and around the 100 million mark.
How many?
I'd love to replace Jones with this guy.
Have you lot not been paying attention to Leicester this season at all then? He's barely good enough for them.
We have plenty of average centrebacks as it is.
We have plenty of average centrebacks as it is.
Nail on the head there. As you said, there's not many centre backs who make those runs Maguire was making today and has done so often in the past. If there is, then I would honestly like to know. That said, I guess he'd need an alice band to be class on the ball.
If just ball playing is the only criteria for the caf, then why not get Johnny Evans back. He wont cost a fortune
Thank feck we didn’t go near him in the summer.
Thats fair enough I am not convinced he's worth 100mn either but unfortunately this market is crazy. What I do think is that he would be worth a good few additional points over the course of a season both in defence and in attack, for where we are currently you could argue that kind of player is invaluable. I just hope that the powers that be decide this summer we need to spend clearly and considerably to really push this quality squad to the next level.
He's Phil Jones but far less dopey. Rashford should have had 2 in the first 10 mins. Don't care how good he is on the ball, he's an average defender.