All the outrage even though you have no idea what wage he is on. Doesn't it make you look incredibly stupid if he is actually on 50k/week? If Phil Jones is on such a low wage, then I don't see any down side to this. At the moment, we need him. Smalling just came back from injury, Bailly is far from reliable and he's gonna need time if he ever comes good. The only case we don't need Phil Jones is we sign a world class defender and he hits the ground running immediately. We know too well that it's far from guaranted, and if he fails, we will need Jones again. Best case scenario, the new signing performs well, I have no doubt we can easily find a new club to sell Jones to.
Phil Jones Future | Reports: Observing United academy sessions
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I agree. It would be very stupid.
At the moment we need him yeah but how does that translate into a 4+1 extension ?
It tickles me how many fans are getting so bent out of shape just because a good solid pro with 8 years experience at the club, and still with scope to develop into the player we all thought/hoped we were signing when the club, and several people at the club obviously think it's the right thing to do, and we obviously can afford it, so what's the problem ? He's one player in a 25 man squad ffs
And no doubt it'll be the same crowd who will be the first to jump on the first mistake any new defender that comes in makes, ie. scores an own-goal, or gives away a penalty, or both, and will write him off as not good enough, or too expensive, or both, suggest an alternative that isn't fit to lace his boots, blame the Manager for not knowing what he's doing on transfers, and call Ed all the names under the Sun....
Guess some people are only happy when they've got something to moan about.
And no doubt it'll be the same crowd who will be the first to jump on the first mistake any new defender that comes in makes, ie. scores an own-goal, or gives away a penalty, or both, and will write him off as not good enough, or too expensive, or both, suggest an alternative that isn't fit to lace his boots, blame the Manager for not knowing what he's doing on transfers, and call Ed all the names under the Sun....
Guess some people are only happy when they've got something to moan about.
Absolutely fecking ridiculous, just as we thought the club was seeing some sense this fecking happens, ruined my day.
FFS, he’s 99.9% injured and when he isn’t he’s prone to feck up at every opportunity.
He's been here 8 years, he's 26 and he'll be here 5 more. Phil Jones: Manchester United legend.
The 80M attacker that got benched by the academy player, is that part of the quality in attack?
The tragedy here is the previous manager has a potential like Rashford and decided to invest 80M of transfer kitty into another striker.
Because we can easily sell him whenever we want.
No we can't. What if he just doesn't wanna leave ?
I would love to work for an employer that rewards being average/mediocre/injury prone.
Utd need to develop a ruthless streak and get rid of the dross if they serious about challenging for trophies again.
Utd need to develop a ruthless streak and get rid of the dross if they serious about challenging for trophies again.
He is still young and on low wage, according to you, he can earn more money elsewhere. If he has no future at United, why wouldn't he leave?
Because we hoard deadwood like no other club?
Who'd have thought that Phil Jones, who signed from Blackburn Rovers on the same day as Christopher Columbus set sail for the Americas would still be here in 2019 and have made 208 appearances for the club.
Shouldn't blame all on the managers, the board headed by Ed Woodward is equally responsible for all this dross for half a decade and more. Jones and smalling have practically failed at every level to take over from Ferdinand and vidic and are crucial reasons for why we have to suffer our time as a top 4 challenger for years as a better defense wouldn't have put us in this situation, and yet they receive contract extensions as otherwise they would be walking out for free, is just ridiculous.
While we are also losing ground in scouting area to other clubs with the deadwood we are unable or unwilling to move out.
According to me ? Where did I even hint at that ? He isn't on low wages IMHO
I think he is on low wage, you think otherwise, we don't know anything for sure yet. But if we decide to criticize someone, isn't it good sense to be sure that we have a really good reason to?
To be clear, we don't know his wage yet and whether this deal is good or bad depends on it. So why did we criticize the club for making a deal which we don't even know if it is good or bad?
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Take it easy buddy, you're talking sense, you can be slagged off on here for that.
Not everyone is delusional enough to rate Smalling except you both here. I have seen a goalkeeper with better feet & footballing ability than him , He is lucky that he is a defender , if He was a striker or midfielder you would see how bad a footballer he is , worse than Lukaku in term of playing football. Whatever , he can stay being a squad player and benchwarmer , cause i don't think any offensive manager would fancy starting him. Your chance to watch him play week in week out has gone along with Mourinho. You guys should never wish him sacked.
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While I don't agree with this decision of the board, it is done. Now I just hope they did it to keep an English player and a player who can be sold in future for a decent value. I also hope that this is not done to avoid the purchase of a quality defender or two because in that case, we will be where we are now. He can be a good squad player when needed but a regular first team place for him does not fill me with confidence. Good luck to him.
I forgot he also signed a new contract the other week.
I assume we’re going to keep Bailly and Lindelof as well, and bring in one. 4 centre backs of dubious quality and the new signing makes me a little nervous.
May as well as close the whole bloody forum then huh ? Extending Jones' contract like bad is bad for me, it's a stupid decision.
Phil must know where all the bodies are buried. Can't see any other reason for the fascination the club has with his continued tenure.
In saying that I'd be happy with him occupying a squad role ( little chance of anything else with his abysmal injury stats. ), but I worry this will be at the expense of signing a new centre-half. I don't think the squad needs major investment, but I reckon Ole will martyr himself to the **** of self-sufficiency.
In saying that I'd be happy with him occupying a squad role ( little chance of anything else with his abysmal injury stats. ), but I worry this will be at the expense of signing a new centre-half. I don't think the squad needs major investment, but I reckon Ole will martyr himself to the **** of self-sufficiency.
You really think we’re going to bring in one? Possibly our loanee back from Villa.
We’ll probably bring in a washing powder sponsor.
“Watch this space”
Calamity Jones. If the management team are happy with Jonah as Ole calls him then we should trust in their judgement. Thus far Jones has shown just a couple of brain farts in comparison with some pretty stout defending. However, he gives me the collywobbles every time he tackles in our half. The pass that led to the Burnley goal was truly awful for a prof footballer. Contracts, money and pro footy lifestyles - I find the whole subject deeply depressing when so many people barely earn a crust and therefore choose not to comment on the specific details of what he earns.
Oh, thanks Samid
He's not perfect, but whenever he's fit and gets couple of games going, he's pretty good defender.
It's not optimal to lose players for free, so I don't know why people mind his contract.
There are far worse players to release on a free.
It's not optimal to lose players for free, so I don't know why people mind his contract.
There are far worse players to release on a free.
Not surprising - the homegrown quota means we have to keep hold of as many homegrown players as possible.
Yes, it does. If he stays injury free for a season, we can cash in in 2020.
Jones will be 27-28, on relatively low wages and better than majority of defenders in PL.
Two ridiculously high expectations/assumptions
I love that people have talked themselves into the idea that the club gave Jones a 4 year contract with an option for a fifth to make it easier to sell him. They gave the contract to Jones because they want him here for the long term.
A dig at Lukaku and the previous manager with nothing poignant added, brilliant. A deflection from the mediocre players we have had in our defence for ages. Two of our fullbacks are converted wingers and we're still holding out for £15m for Darmian
This is a player that has missed games equivalent to 60% of the games he has played. Jones has made 208 appearances for us and missed 120 odd games for us.
He has NEVER stayed injury free for a whole season though, and as he gets older, the injury problems are likely to get worse, not better.
Why, after almost 8 years, do people still keep dealing with the hypothetical scenario of Jones staying fit?
Sometimes it's obviousOh, thanks Samid
Maybe he can grow out of it
What planet are you living on ?
There is still talk of Jones being fit because football fans never learn. It took an age for many fans to see the reality with Anderson.
I’m fairly ambivalent re. Jones. He is a good defender (most of the time). But his injury problems are farcical.
People involved in football rate him, though. Moreso than supporters do, a least. From Capello to Ferguson to Mourinho to Solskjaer; they’ll play him when he’s fit. It has to count for something.
People involved in football rate him, though. Moreso than supporters do, a least. From Capello to Ferguson to Mourinho to Solskjaer; they’ll play him when he’s fit. It has to count for something.
Planet Earth, it's the 3rd from the Sun.
This season, he missed 5 games in August-September.