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If the club is serious of winning the CL ,then i don't think Ole is the answer. If not then he should be considered for the permanent manager.
Who is? The pool of current managers who have won the CL is extremely small and even some of those (cough Pep) have failed in the competition more times than they've succeededIf the club is serious of winning the CL ,then i don't think Ole is the answer.
Pogba's kid? Who?Poch would have started Chong and Pogba's kid.
Yes, if they're young enough, they're good enough.Pogba's kid? Who?
Are you sure he would?
Yeah forgive us for getting excited.Now the members of Redcafe are understanding my assessment of Ole. I saw this coming and if some of our fans actually watch games rather than score line, they would have notice this as well when we played Pochettino Spurs.
Ole has now been tactical outsmarted by Tuchel and Pochettino. Tuchel were playing without two of their best attacker and we barely troubled Buffon.
Many fans jumped the bandwagon, but I stated that it is good to wait and see. Ole has done well to dominate the smaller team, but he has not passed Amadaeus test on showing such dominance against a top team. It will be an uphill battle next leg without Pogba, but if Ole can come through that, then he will definitely earn a lot of praise.
It is unfortunate now. I really wanted us to go through as we would not look so desparate when we try and go after Pochettino. Regardless, if Ole doesn’t go through, the season is still long and he still has a chance to be my number 1 choice.
Nah, you need to compete both in the league and CL. How is Ole not a gamble? He's been at Molde and Cardiff."gamble on Ole". Ole is much less of a gamble than say Poch. Imagine if Poch comes in and we're 5th in October? There'd be mass riots and for good reason. Not hiring a manager thats doing well is way more of a gamble.
We've never been traditionally strong in Europe. Sure if we beat PsG its great, but Man united managers should be judged on league performances.
Hardly a tactical loss when two of your best attacking players go off injured and the opposition team are much more cohesive. It just shows how far we have to go with recruitment before we're at this level. There wasn't much else Solskjaer could have done to be honest.He isn't a manager for the Elite level - yet. This has been a tactical loss really.
And his football, even in the first half, has looked dated and lacking vision.
Hopefully a wake up call to the board - Ole could be one for the future, but he isn't ready yet.
We need to realistically spend another £200m at least before we can even consider a CL push no matter who is in charge anyway. No CL winning team will have Mata, Sanchez and Lukaku in it.If the club is serious of winning the CL ,then i don't think Ole is the answer. If not then he should be considered for the permanent manager.
This.The arguments that Ole was 'tactically outclassed' tonight are, frankly, absurd. The set up was fine, but he was fecked by an unfortunate double injury at half time and PSG took advantage before we'd got to grips with the change. The two options he bought on were, of course, not suited to doing what Lingard (in particular) had done, but he had no other options.
There's simply a gulf in quality between the two sides (even when PSG have two of their key players out injured) and they won the game because of a defensive mistake by us and a moment of quality. Both of those are areas we know we need to improve.
He has a record of giving a chance to an academy player in last 16 CL tie?Yes, if they're young enough, they're good enough.
I wonder if Poch would still keep playing Mata on the right in piss easy games like Burnly abd fulham , even though he consistently crap there? If he did he might have a youngster blooded, who could have offered something in an emergency like tonight.Yes, if they're young enough, they're good enough.
I saw Alardyce shouting at his team once, and he was really loud, he should be your number 1 if that's the criteria nowadays.Some United fans needs to take of the red tinted glasses they have. We played PSG at their weakest. This is PSG without one of the best footballer on the planet. We didn’t trouble Buffon and we looked void of any creativity in the attack. If this was City, Liverpool and to a lesser extent, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, they would have at least tested Buffon.
I saw Tuchel on the sideline screaming at Every misplaced passes and orchestrating how he wanted his team to play. He looked much more hungry for the victory than Ole did. After this game, I would say Tuchel has now bumped Ole from my second spot, but that may be a bit knee jerk of a reaction.
Either way, how we react in the next leg will be interesting. The playing ground will have even up with us losing Pogba and them without Neymar. Let see what type of performance Ole can showcase against PSG at their home. If Tuchel can put on such a performance at Old Trafford, we should be able to do the same at le parc des princes
I'm still happy with him. Our tactics are correct. He has given us an identity and style of football.
The squad depth is shit but the managers hands are tied in a respext.
Please board give him the money to address our weak areas and we'll be flying.
We've been lacking on the right for ages now, that's why we play a past it left winger as a right wingback. I would still prefer having Mata as a RW than anyone from our youth sides in games we have to win, which is basically every one right now. Tonight, maybe could have moved Rashford to the left, Lukaku center and Sanchez to the right but I also can't see Sanchez doing any beter there than Mata. I really can't blame Ole for this.I wonder if Poch would still keep playing Mata on the right in piss easy games like Burnly abd fulham , even though he consistently crap there? If he did he might have a youngster blooded, who could have offered something in an emergency like tonight.
Still, if you are consistently crap enough, then you are good enough (to disjoint our attack and effectively play with 10.3 men)
Lukaku woukd have been a betrr choice tonightWe've been lacking on the right for ages now, that's why we play a past it left winger as a right wingback. I would still prefer having Mata as a RW than anyone from our youth sides in games we have to win, which is basically every one right now. Tonight, maybe could have moved Rashford to the left, Lukaku center and Sanchez to the right but I also can't see Sanchez doing any beter there than Mata. I really can't blame Ole for this.
This.He’s being judged game to game as if he’s a player. It’s very bizarre. As if every performance is a direct result of his actions, irrespective of result or context.
Well, this isn’t how it works. You make judgements based on a body of work over time. Like we judged Mourinho and Van Gaal for the worse. Or Ferguson for the better. We didn’t watch Ferguson’s team lose to a clearly superior Milan side and pick apart his minute-by-minute management of the team. We accepted the loss as a normal element of football; part and parcel of a season in which football matches are lost.
Some folk are even criticising his team talk. Talking about his Tuchel ‘done him over’ going into the second half. Like, where and when did this happen? And how?
It’s going to be a tedious end to the season if every match is going to be viewed in isolation like this. Bloody hell.
+1He’s being judged game to game as if he’s a player. It’s very bizarre. As if every performance is a direct result of his actions, irrespective of result or context.
Well, this isn’t how it works. You make judgements based on a body of work over time. Like we judged Mourinho and Van Gaal for the worse. Or Ferguson for the better. We didn’t watch Ferguson’s team lose to a clearly superior Milan side and pick apart his minute-by-minute management of the team. We accepted the loss as a normal element of football; part and parcel of a season in which football matches are lost.
Some folk are even criticising his team talk. Talking about his Tuchel ‘done him over’ going into the second half. Like, where and when did this happen? And how?
It’s going to be a tedious end to the season if every match is going to be viewed in isolation like this. Bloody hell.
Lukaku on the wing? I don't see him offering anything either to be honest. Mata is too slow but at least he has champions league experience and shat it less on the ball.Poor subs tonight, after 2 injuries Lukaku and Rashford should have switched to the wings and Sanchez through the middle. Sanchez and mata offers nothing on the sides.
Yes, at least he can run on the sides and has the best cross, mata did nothing to influence it.Lukaku on the wing? I don't him offering anything either to be honest. Mata is too slow but at least he has champions league experience and shat it less on the ball.
Our bench just isn't great.
A first real test against a better teamThis was his first big test. The first one where a major trophy was at stake. Where does this leave OGS?
Despite Ferguson's reputation of a manager playing Gung-ho football, much of the noughties he explored looking for an answer in Europe, hiring the likes of Queiroz and trying stuff like playing with a single forward. What worked in the PL, was no longer working in Europe, and he was working on that. And the PL was developing tactically too. In other words, Ferguson was always developing. This is something Ole must still do. He's got the classic United style covered, but it needs to develop into a more modern context to truly succeed.
Good interview, needs to show some ruthlessness and get rid of Sanchez/Mata and give time to some of the younger players coming through, they can't be any worse at this moment in time. He needs to take some risks.Tweet
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"Today was a reality check from the level we need to be" paraphrasing Ole. He knows the score. Trust in him and with the right backing he'll get us to where we should be.
Plus lukaku coming on with only 7 minutes left shows you what oles opinion is. He'll know exactly what needs to be done with the squad and I can only hope the board will give him the backing he needs to shape a formidable squad.Agree.
Tonight’s defeat cannot be solely on the doorstep of Ole. They were just simply the better team and tonight showed our depth is shit when Lingard & Martial got injured. He could only work with the tools in front of him.
Need to back him massively in the summer with money to bring in some quality additions that will add to the team.
I do believe we have the nucleus of a very good team but just needs a couple more quality signings in the weak areas as you mentioned and watch us go from there!
Mata did nothing and in all likelihood Lukaku would have done nothing either, and then the argument would have been why didn't Ole bring on Mata instead. None of it matters tbh, the lot of them are trash. We'll just have to endure it for a few more months and hopefully we'll rectify the appalling lack of quality we have on the bench in the summerYes, at least he can run on the sides and has the best cross, mata did nothing to influence it.
It will take time. We need Woodward or the incoming DoF on the same wavelength. Think there is no point in offering Mata a new contact to be fair. As much as I like him as a player, he just doesn't have the pace for how we're utilising him. Neither does Sanchez to be fair but he's on massive wages and contract so I doubt will end up selling him.Good interview, needs to show some ruthlessness and get rid of Sanchez/Mata and give time to some of the younger players coming through, they can't be any worse at this moment in time. He needs to take some risks.
It's really two poor options. We were fecked with only one injury let alone two. As it will mean rash would have to move from the centre to the wing or Sanchez on left.Poor subs tonight, after 2 injuries Lukaku and Rashford should have switched to the wings and Sanchez through the middle. Sanchez and mata offers nothing on the sides.
Yeah forgive us for getting excited.
Ole made a mistake tonight in regards to bringing both Mata and Sanchez on who both have no pace. That invited PSG to move further up the pitch and they punished us for it.
And how cool of you to refer to yourself in third person, you weirdo.
Nothing could have changed the result, but could have given us more attacking threat with a few runs, those subs actually made us toothless in attack.Mata did nothing and in all likelihood Lukaku would have done nothing either, and then the argument would have been why didn't Ole bring on Mata instead. None of it matters tbh, the lot of them are trash. We'll just have to endure it for a few more months and hopefully we'll rectify the appalling lack of quality we have on the bench in the summer
Still if we see how we could have used them to have the best impact we could get than pace on wings was essential if you look back at it, Sanchez can play false 9 as well.It's really two poor options. We were fecked with only one injury let alone two. As it will mean rash would have to move from the centre to the wing or Sanchez on left.