[Shiva87]

No matter how you look at it, losing 0-2 at home is an absolute disgrace. I hope Ole never get this job full-time. Poch please.

Seriously? How can a United fan hope that a United legend (and that too a man like Ole) can hope this is beyond me.

You can make an argument for Poch - for sure. But hoping a legend fails the most public job interview ever!

I can only wish that he gets the job permanently. (Not because he is a legend, but because he has established his ability to handle the job in the next few months).

 

[Sayros]

I like some of the optimism on here about having a chance to turn this tie around, I just don't know how you get past PSG at home without Pogba.

Not that PSG isn't prone to crashing out of the CL in the return leg after building a solid lead...

 

[haram]

We are not turning this around. We were embarrassed and exposed at OT.

 

[Class of 63]

We are not turning this around. We were embarrassed and exposed at OT.

It won't take much for their crowd to turn on the team so if we score first and then trench in we've got a slim chance.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Seriously? How can a United fan hope that a United legend (and that too a man like Ole) can hope this is beyond me.

You can make an argument for Poch - for sure. But hoping a legend fails the most public job interview ever!

I can only wish that he gets the job permanently. (Not because he is a legend, but because he has established his ability to handle the job in the next few months).

There is a big gap in your logic. Being an interim coach has less to do with qualifications for the permanent gig.

A coach that got schooled by Tuchel and a shorthanded psg should not be getting the permanent job unless we have not title ambitions.

 

[haram]

It won't take much for their crowd to turn on the team so if we score first and then trench in we've got a slim chance.

There is always a slim chance. We are over reliant on Pogba though, its very clear. In build up, transitions and creatively. Team is nowhere near good enough at the top level.

 

[Devils11]

There is a big gap in your logic. Being an interim coach has less to do with qualifications for the permanent gig.

A coach that got schooled by Tuchel and a shorthanded psg should not be getting the permanent job unless we have not title ambitions.

Hello? we are talking about PSG not PSV here. If you think a PSG without showboating Neymar and Cavani is a walkover, you have no clue. Buffon, Alves , Silva, Marquinho , Veratti , Draxler , Di Maria, Mbappe etc are all world class players that could walk into any Man Utd team any day.

 

[Ish]

No matter how you look at it, losing 0-2 at home is an absolute disgrace. I hope Ole never get this job full-time. Poch please.

Wow.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Hello? we are talking about PSG not PSV here. If you think a PSG without showboating Neymar and Cavani is a walkover, you have no clue. Buffon, Alves , Silva, Marquinho , Veratti , Draxler , Di Maria, Mbappe etc are all world class players that could walk into any Man Utd team any day.

A few weeks prior it was all about how we had a great squad and it was Mourinho holding them back but now we lost to PSG your excuse is that PSG has
- a 41yr old buffon who juve willingly replaced with arsenal 's former second choice GK
- a 35yr old Alves who couldnt cope with geriatric serie A and Juve had to release him after just one season
- a 34yr old Silva and 31yr Di Maria that are past their prime
- Veratti who was coming back from a month out with injury and was injured again
(or is he better than Pogba?)

Are these the super stars that we couldnt even score against playing at home? Did Liverpool and Napoli lose 2-0 at home too despite playing against more complete PSG squads? The result was worse than we got against a full strength Juventus.

Ole got it wrong tactically and its disingenuous to try to blame player quality. Its his first real test at the top level and he flunked it. Can he learn from it , hopefully yes. But he needs to be able to deliver in games like these to meet the basic requirements for the permanent job.

 

[Sterling Archer]

We are not turning this around. We were embarrassed and exposed at OT.

Just like United of old! Bar an unforgettable season once every ten years, the Champions League is where our club has let down most consistently.

 

[Sandikan]

A few weeks prior it was all about how we had a great squad and it was Mourinho holding them back but now we lost to PSG your excuse is that PSG has
- a 41yr old buffon who juve willingly replaced with arsenal 's former second choice GK
- a 35yr old Alves who couldnt cope with geriatric serie A and Juve had to release him after just one season
- a 34yr old Silva and 31yr Di Maria that are past their prime
- Veratti who was coming back from a month out with injury and was injured again
(or is he better than Pogba?)

Are these the super stars that we couldnt even score against playing at home? Did Liverpool and Napoli lose 2-0 at home too despite playing against more complete PSG squads? The result was worse than we got against a full strength Juventus.

Ole got it wrong tactically and its disingenuous to try to blame player quality. Its his first real test at the top level and he flunked it. Can he learn from it , hopefully yes. But he needs to be able to deliver in games like these to meet the basic requirements for the permanent job.

You have a really off balance view on things.
We're way off psg quality at the moment. Tactics can't always keep things competitive when your team is much weaker.

Our gamelan fell away similar to how Liverpool's did when salah went off in the champions league final.
It happens. He certainly wasn't "schooled"

 

[MackRobinson]

There is a big gap in your logic. Being an interim coach has less to do with qualifications for the permanent gig.

A coach that got schooled by Tuchel and a shorthanded psg should not be getting the permanent job unless we have not title ambitions.

Ole went up against a world class team (even without Neymar and Cavani), lost 2 attacking players at halftime, and made 2 ineffective subs which ultimately led to PSG taking control of the match. Perhaps he made the wrong the subs, but this notion he was "schooled" is nothing short of lazy narrative.

Funny, you are the same poster who continually backed the previous manager despite getting "schooled" by the likes of Valencia and Sevilla. Not surprised you come peddling this nonsense after a loss. I'm surprised you aren't in the Pogba thread berating him for his performance.

You're a parody of yourself.

 

[DocRockter]

Have we sent someone to the ASSE-PSG game? Anybody watching?

 

[Canagel]

A few weeks prior it was all about how we had a great squad and it was Mourinho holding them back but now we lost to PSG your excuse is that PSG has
- a 41yr old buffon who juve willingly replaced with arsenal 's former second choice GK
- a 35yr old Alves who couldnt cope with geriatric serie A and Juve had to release him after just one season
- a 34yr old Silva and 31yr Di Maria that are past their prime
- Veratti who was coming back from a month out with injury and was injured again
(or is he better than Pogba?)

Are these the super stars that we couldnt even score against playing at home? Did Liverpool and Napoli lose 2-0 at home too despite playing against more complete PSG squads? The result was worse than we got against a full strength Juventus.

Ole got it wrong tactically and its disingenuous to try to blame player quality. Its his first real test at the top level and he flunked it. Can he learn from it , hopefully yes. But he needs to be able to deliver in games like these to meet the basic requirements for the permanent job.

It's funny you spent ages defending Jose and blaming the crap he inherited plus lack of spending etc etc for his failires yet you expected the same 'crap' squad to go to toe to toe with PSG and come out on top.
Amazing.

 

[haram]

Tuchel is clearly the superior manager, I dont think it should be held against Ole though. If we cannot get Poch then Ole is probably the natural choice.

Ole does deserve criticism though. We didn't look like scoring. You can champion the amount of running we do but the facts are Lingard and Martial went off with muscle injuries. It’s not a coincidence. This type of running and intensity is not sustainable over a whole season. We do not know if Ole can manage over several seasons competing in several competitions. Why also did Lukaku only get 5 minutes? Didn’t make sense.

 

[Devils11]

A few weeks prior it was all about how we had a great squad and it was Mourinho holding them back but now we lost to PSG your excuse is that PSG has
- a 41yr old buffon who juve willingly replaced with arsenal 's former second choice GK
- a 35yr old Alves who couldnt cope with geriatric serie A and Juve had to release him after just one season
- a 34yr old Silva and 31yr Di Maria that are past their prime
- Veratti who was coming back from a month out with injury and was injured again
(or is he better than Pogba?)

Are these the super stars that we couldnt even score against playing at home? Did Liverpool and Napoli lose 2-0 at home too despite playing against more complete PSG squads? The result was worse than we got against a full strength Juventus.

Ole got it wrong tactically and its disingenuous to try to blame player quality. Its his first real test at the top level and he flunked it. Can he learn from it , hopefully yes. But he needs to be able to deliver in games like these to meet the basic requirements for the permanent job.

Ole always been playing attacking football, look at the spurs and arsenal results, he made attacking sub like he did vs PSG, only this time the result didn't goes our way. Ole has make Utd a lot more fun to watch than Jose.
Let the season run out and see what we have accomplished. We could be thrash by Chelsea, lose to Liverpool and City at home and finish 6th in the worse scenario. Or we could win the Fa Cup and finish 4th, which Jose claimed not so long ago would be a miracle with this squad. Just sit back and enjoy the football Utd dish out under Ole, which is imposible under Jose.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

You have a really off balance view on things.
We're way off psg quality at the moment. Tactics can't always keep things competitive when your team is much weaker.

Our gamelan fell away similar to how Liverpool's did when salah went off in the champions league final.
It happens. He certainly wasn't "schooled"

I have listed a few of those PSG players and the gap in player quality is not enough to justify the way the game turned out.

As to the injuries, they came at the end of the first half. Before then, it was obvious that PSG were in control of the game.

If he wasnt schooled, then what do you call his attempt to control a midfield with 3v4, more so if the PSG players were better. Worse still he still tried to play through the midfield he never had control of. Finally, there was no plan B.

 

[Red4Ever]

That Sevilla's defeat is probably more of down to complacency. A Mourinho led team in Europe is always a dangerous team because of Jose's underdog tag/us against the world mentality especially against the big European teams. I have no doubt that if Jose were still managing us, we wouldn't have lost 0-2 at home to PSG.


That's not going to happen this season, precisely because PSG would have learnt from their past mistakes and Ole just don't have the ability and tactical nous to get past a 0-2 deficit.


No matter how you look at it, losing 0-2 at home is an absolute disgrace. I hope Ole never get this job full-time. Poch please.

Terrible post
Losing to Seville in that manner was shocking
First leg embarrassing
Second leg worse

And mourinho then went & made a fool out of him & us after

Losing 2-1 at home to that team was far more embarrassing

 

[Gopher Brown]

No matter how you look at it, losing 0-2 at home is an absolute disgrace. I hope Ole never get this job full-time. Poch please.

I can’t tell if you’re being serious, but Poch loses at home by two goals sometimes too:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45694909
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46656879

But I’m sure you’ll find a way of explaining to us why these results are different.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Ole went up against a world class team (even without Neymar and Cavani), lost 2 attacking players at halftime, and made 2 ineffective subs which ultimately led to PSG taking control of the match. Perhaps he made the wrong the subs, but this notion he was "schooled" is nothing short of lazy narrative.

Funny, you are the same poster who continually backed the previous manager despite getting "schooled" by the likes of Valencia and Sevilla. Not surprised you come peddling this nonsense after a loss. I'm surprised you aren't in the Pogba thread berating him for his performance.

PSG had control of the match even before the injuries. The game was lost from the start when we didnt do anything to counter PSG tactical setup. No attacking subs could have fixed it cos the problem was in the midfield.

Mourinho lost games but cant remember him being schooled by anyone. When Mourinho (or most managers for that matter) see that their initial plan is not working, they would move on to plan B. What was Ole's plan B?

I dont see a need to berate Pogba or any of the players, cos the coach never put them in a position to be effective. We should have packed the midfield with 4 or 5 to gain control or abandon it and use long balls, but it was stupid to keep trying to play through a midfield we didnt have a modicum of control over.[/QUOTE]

 

[cheeky_backheel]

It's funny you spent ages defending Jose and blaming the crap he inherited plus lack of spending etc etc for his failires yet you expected the same 'crap' squad to go to toe to toe with PSG and come out on top.
Amazing.

Then you miss the point. There are certain basics at this level of the game and Ole failed this time

 

[roonster09]

It's funny you spent ages defending Jose and blaming the crap he inherited plus lack of spending etc etc for his failires yet you expected the same 'crap' squad to go to toe to toe with PSG and come out on top.
Amazing.

Also funny he went into hiding or stopped commenting on Manutd games when we were on winning run and then back with analysis first game we lost. Jose fans

 

[Red4Ever]

PSG had control of the match even before the injuries. The game was lost from the start when we didnt do anything to counter PSG tactical setup. No attacking subs could have fixed it cos the problem was in the midfield.

Mourinho lost games but cant remember him being schooled by anyone. When Mourinho (or most managers for that matter) see that their initial plan is not working, they would move on to plan B. What was Ole's plan B?

I dont see a need to berate Pogba or any of the players, cos the coach never put them in a position to be effective. We should have packed the midfield with 4 or 5 to gain control or abandon it and use long balls, but it was stupid to keep trying to play through a midfield we didnt have a modicum of control over.

[/QUOTE]

He got schooled by Chris hughton mate
More than once

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Ole always been playing attacking football, look at the spurs and arsenal results, he made attacking sub like he did vs PSG, only this time the result didn't goes our way. Ole has make Utd a lot more fun to watch than Jose.
Let the season run out and see what we have accomplished. We could be thrash by Chelsea, lose to Liverpool and City at home and finish 6th in the worse scenario. Or we could win the Fa Cup and finish 4th, which Jose claimed not so long ago would be a miracle with this squad. Just sit back and enjoy the football Utd dish out under Ole, which is imposible under Jose.

I have little problems with losing the game (after all results have been much better since Ole took over) but with how we lost it. Tuchel came with a basic game plan and we simply cooperated along. That kind of failing is not acceptable from someone being considered for the long term.

 

[roonster09]

Mourinho lost games but cant remember him being schooled by anyone.

Jose got schooled by shit loads of managers, especially at ManUtd.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

He got schooled by Chris hughton mate
More than once[/QUOTE]
Maybe we have different notions of what it means to school someone.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Also funny he went into hiding or stopped commenting on Manutd games when we were on winning run and then back with analysis first game we lost. Jose fans

sorry but I dont live on the cafe

 

[roonster09]

sorry but I dont live on the cafe

Sure

 

[TRUERED89]

I like some of the optimism on here about having a chance to turn this tie around, I just don't know how you get past PSG at home without Pogba.

Not that PSG isn't prone to crashing out of the CL in the return leg after building a solid lead...

4-0 up against Barcelona season before last.. lost 6-1 at th Nou Camp .. I hope lightning will strike twice.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

PSG had control of the match even before the injuries. The game was lost from the start when we didnt do anything to counter PSG tactical setup. No attacking subs could have fixed it cos the problem was in the midfield.

Mourinho lost games but cant remember him being schooled by anyone. When Mourinho (or most managers for that matter) see that their initial plan is not working, they would move on to plan B. What was Ole's plan B?

I dont see a need to berate Pogba or any of the players, cos the coach never put them in a position to be effective. We should have packed the midfield with 4 or 5 to gain control or abandon it and use long balls, but it was stupid to keep trying to play through a midfield we didnt have a modicum of control over.

Agreed. Too much is being put into our injuries and half-time subs. PSG were simply the better team on the night.

 

[Red4Ever]

PSG deserved it
We were outclassed
The lack of second yellow was shocking but we still deserved to lose

But I’d still take ole over Jose any day his number was well up at united and we have a few reasons for optimism now at least, though we still have to clean up his mess a bit more

 

[Sarni]

That Sevilla's defeat is probably more of down to complacency. A Mourinho led team in Europe is always a dangerous team because of Jose's underdog tag/us against the world mentality especially against the big European teams. I have no doubt that if Jose were still managing us, we wouldn't have lost 0-2 at home to PSG.

That's not going to happen this season, precisely because PSG would have learnt from their past mistakes and Ole just don't have the ability and tactical nous to get past a 0-2 deficit.


No matter how you look at it, losing 0-2 at home is an absolute disgrace. I hope Ole never get this job full-time. Poch please.

This is one of the worst posts, probably the worst, I have ever seen on RedCafe and I have been here 15 years.

 

[Devils11]

I have little problems with losing the game (after all results have been much better since Ole took over) but with how we lost it. Tuchel came with a basic game plan and we simply cooperated along. That kind of failing is not acceptable from someone being considered for the long term.

So you are suggesting we need to go 4-5-1 next week to have a chance against Liverpool and Man City cause their superior midfield and attack are going run all over Pogba, Matic and Herrera?

 

[OohAahMartial]

Some fans deserve Moyes.

Ole has literally broken record after record since coming in and gets turned on after the first defeat against a top side despite having spent no money nor even have a pre-season, and two key injuries mid-game.

 

[TRUERED89]

This is one of the worst posts, probably the worst, I have ever seen on RedCafe and I have been here 15 years.

His first loss in 13 games to one of the most expensive and best squad's in history. Yet people are praying he doesn't get the job. For people saying Jose wouldn't have lost this game! are you sure? Sevilla made us look twice as worse under Jose, and they were complete nobodies. Jose would have set us up in a 8-1-1 double decker bus formation, whilst never moving out from our own half and still losing 3-0.

 

[Sarni]

His first loss in 13 games to one of the most expensive and best squad's in history. Yet people are praying he doesn't get the job. For people saying Jose wouldn't have lost this game! are you sure? Sevilla made us look twice as worse under Jose, and they were complete nobodies. Jose would have set us up in a 8-1-1 double decker bus formation, whilst never moving out from our own half and still losing 3-0.

Yes, that post is really ridiculous on every single level. Jose had us look much worse against inferior opposition and that game proved nothing with regards to Ole's future given the circumstances of the defeat.

 

[Sarni]

Some fans deserve Moyes.

Ole has literally broken record after record since coming in and gets turned on after the first defeat against a top side despite having spent no money nor even have a pre-season, and two key injuries mid-game.

Well said.

I'm pretty sure some of the 'fans' on here would happily employ a one-defeat policy where every manager we hire gets sacked after their first loss. To be honest after Burnley and PSG games I got a feeling some of our fan base were actually delighted to see us fail so they could say 'see, I told you Ole was shit!!!!!!'.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

So you are suggesting we need to go 4-5-1 next week to have a chance against Liverpool and Man City cause their superior midfield and attack are going run all over Pogba, Matic and Herrera?

Those teams play a 3-man midfield so the disparity in # of players is absent, but if you want to control the midfield, particularly against Citeh, then yes we would need to make up the lack of quality with additional man power. Of course, there is always the option of bypassing the midfield altogether.

 

[mitchmouse]

Which WC players does psg have?

Verrati is not wc, he's a very good player,pogba has played in a far higher level than him.it was a good tactics from their coach, we were tactically outclassed, just because they kept possession after scoring from a setpiece does not mean that they have WC players all over.
they figured our game out and our coaches had no response, the kudos goes to their coach for me.

hmm let's see: how about Mbappe and Silva? and possibly even di maria, alves and marquinhos

 

[Keeps It tidy]

PSG had control of the match even before the injuries. The game was lost from the start when we didnt do anything to counter PSG tactical setup. No attacking subs could have fixed it cos the problem was in the midfield.

Mourinho lost games but cant remember him being schooled by anyone. When Mourinho (or most managers for that matter) see that their initial plan is not working, they would move on to plan B. What was Ole's plan B?

I dont see a need to berate Pogba or any of the players, cos the coach never put them in a position to be effective. We should have packed the midfield with 4 or 5 to gain control or abandon it and use long balls, but it was stupid to keep trying to play through a midfield we didnt have a modicum of control over.

[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me!