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Bit different when its a nothing team winning the lottery. We're already a giant with something to lose.Dont see any moral outrage across town as city chase the quadruple financed by the sheiks of Abu Dhabi...
Bit different when its a nothing team winning the lottery. We're already a giant with something to lose.Dont see any moral outrage across town as city chase the quadruple financed by the sheiks of Abu Dhabi...
No one ever has an answer to thisBut we've spent loads? We've just spent it terribly.
I agree with that bit, but the point Im making is its the teams with the biggest pockets usually win the trophies, irrespective of everything else.But we've spent loads? We've just spent it terribly.
Most of them aren't stupid enough to spend +4Bn£ for the right of spending money in a football club.There are apparently about 2300 billionaires in the world currently. Surely one of them fancies it, who isn't the leader of a despotic regime?
I'd rather we fade into obscurity like Nottingham Forest. The Glazers are self-serving crooks, sure, but the House of Saud is on a whole different level. Would kill my interest in the club.
Great post. The endgame is that they all want profits, along with the added benefits of diversification, PR vehicles, etc.It's a mistake to think the current money from the middle east is any different, like they are doing it for their ego or to put their country in a better light.
They are just more aggressive, better initial investors than the Glazers. Once the brand has been pushed up by the initial money, it is about earning them money and the wild investments will go down. We've seen it at Chelsea with the Russian, we're currently seeing it at Man City who won't pay for their targets any longer, and we'll be seeing it at PSG at some point.
They are just putting their money at work by diverging it into different investments. At some point they all turn into Glazers, they don't got this rich by pissing money away. So what's left once you realize the current and future owners in English football just want to earn money from the clubs. Well, just the hope that they do business so well it is profitable for both club and owner (a bit like the Glazers, but hopefully not like Arsenal were 4th is good enough). Still will have to compete with Real and Barca were a large chunk of the money doesn't go to the president.
If the Saudis buy Utd for 4 billion it means they will want to earn that back plus their additional investments plus future profit, in other words, you'll be leeched again with the biggest initial chunk going to the Glazers.
When the Glazers bought the club it was worth less than a billion, now it's worth over two billion, tripling in value. United as a business is self-sustaining, so it wouldn't require investment. If I was a billionaire who liked football, I would definitely consider it.Most of them aren't stupid enough to spend +4Bn£ for the right of spending money in a football club.
I'd still watch. I just wouldn't pay to watch, even on TV.I'd rather we fade into obscurity like Nottingham Forest. The Glazers are self-serving crooks, sure, but the House of Saud is on a whole different level. Would kill my interest in the club.
The answer is that we spent loads but with a primarily commercial policy behind it. And the commercial policy was antithetical to the football policy.No one ever has an answer to this
Which is a terrifying prospect when they were doing it with experienced managers at the helm. You worry what might happen if we have Ole without a DOF and Ed pulling the strings. Ole looking at good prospects for the future of the club and Ed just glued to Gareth Bale.But we've spent loads? We've just spent it terribly.
Something to lose?? £450m of debt,would certainly lose that overnight!Bit different when its a nothing team winning the lottery. We're already a giant with something to lose.
The point here is that people want something different than the businessmen type.When the Glazers bought the club it was worth less than a billion, now it's worth over two billion, tripling in value. United as a business is self-sustaining, so it wouldn't require investment. If I was a billionaire who liked football, I would definitely consider it.
You make a hell of a lot of assumptions on how much fruits I eat from that ‘oil based economies’. Anyway, if you feel that the Saudis are immune from criticisms because they have oil then that’s your right, bizarre opinion as it is.This is absolutely perfect. It allows you to personally always do whatever you want, in this case to continue to eat the fruits from the richness of our oil based economies, while at the same time pointing the moral finger at others. Keep up the good work, ostrich.
I think none of them are, including the Saudis.Most of them aren't stupid enough to spend +4Bn£ for the right of spending money in a football club.
If we didn't have to buy three players every year because of our poor recruitment we would be able to pull out those kind of moves. Instead we have to get a CM, rb and an rw in the upcoming window.Mbappé?
Mate you started with all that false morality, calling out everyone who doesn't share your loose moral values and when I pointed out as to why so many are against saudi ownership, you just assume everyone's the same. I will never support THEM as you said, but I'll always support UTD albeit if saudis do takeover, it'll be a bitter pill to swallow and will have some internal conflict with myself over that.Moral high ground bullshit, quoting one line. I bet for all the shite your talking you will be supporting them if a takeover happens. If that is through buying merchandise or going to Old Trafford. People just ignoring our current owners as if they are the good guys. Point is we should be able to buy a Neymar nearly every window with the money we generate, the at what cost nonsense. Your not comfortable with a potential takeover I get it, fair play if you can't follow the club anymore after. I just think most in here will do nothing. In a perfect world the club would be owned locally by a fan, things aren't that simple anymore. The club were virtually bought illegally by the Glazers and your not crying. Listen I want the best for this club to grow, if it's between a Saudi takeover or the Glazers it's an easy choice for me. For you it's not fine, I want the best for the club and the current owners are a joke.
I am from overseas and share the same sentiments. I don't want them, see how some are trying to convince themselves that we actually need the Saudi moneySeems that there is a wide difference between the local fans and over seas fans on this one.
I personally don't want them anywhere near the club, but I'm not going to lie to myself and say I'd suddenly stop supporting the team, don't think it would be possible for me to do it.
Good point ! We need to make right descisons and reasonable contracts!We've out spent three of the last five EPL winners and people think we are failing cause of money.
Think it is more we want money, preferably not the Saudi money. The money we actually earn ourselves would be nice, if some of it wasn't being siphoned off into the trough and what is left is not being spent as incompetently as possible. So it is either new owners who will invest wisely with the right people running the club, or at least get a DOF in. Oh we have a new sunglasses partner, so good news.I am from overseas and share the same sentiments. I don't want them, see how some are trying to convince themselves that we actually need the Saudi money
I have the same feeling but at the same time there has to be a rich dummy somewhere.I think none of them are, including the Saudis.
People don't get that rich by being dummies.I have the same feeling but at the same time there has to be a rich dummy somewhere.
Which points the finger at the management rather than the ownership. Getting the Saudi in will not necessarily change that.The answer is that we spent loads but with a primarily commercial policy behind it. And the commercial policy was antithetical to the football policy.
Some inherit their wealth, that's the demographic that we should target.People don't get that rich by being dummies.
You must live in cuckoo land.Which points the finger at the management rather than the ownership. Getting the Saudi in will not necessarily change that.
Are there any rich dummies on here?Some inherit their wealth, that's the demographic that we should target.
We already have the GlazersSome inherit their wealth, that's the demographic that we should target.
Yes Normally I would agree but this is gathering pace, check Fox Sports news Services think there is a link in this thread?when it comes to United it is quite common to have smoke without fire don't you think?
papers like to use our name as much as possible, and the chance to throw MBS into the mix isn't going to be passed up
It’s really not. Everyone is just quoting The Sun.Yes Normally I would agree but this is gathering pace, check Fox Sports news Services think there is a link in this thread?
It doesn't really work since they treat the club as a business like most other billionaires would, that's why some want the Saudis.We already have the Glazers
I know, was only joking. Unfortunately they fall into the bracket of not being rich enough for the club.It doesn't really work since they treat the club as a business like most of billionaires would, that's why some want the Saudis.
Why would you? Where would City be without him? They can't afford to have morals.Dont see any moral outrage across town as city chase the quadruple financed by the sheiks of Abu Dhabi...
Well it's not something that most United Fans, me included would welcome so lets hope it is exactly that just Sun cranking up a story which will soon be forgotten about, I do agree that a lot of this type of lazy Journalism is normally used for click bait articles, this just feels a little different, like certain parties both within the club and on the Saudi PR teams are using it to temper public reaction before any further action is taken?It’s really not. Everyone is just quoting The Sun.
This is some City levels of bullshit. Bizarre false equivalency.Lots of soul searching going on in this thread.
Every leader of every Empire, Kingdom, Con-Glomerate, Dominion, Consortium, even down to the level of village chiefs, that have ever existed on this earth have 'screwed over' their own people as well as those they have conquered, subjugated, enslaved, etc. all sorts of cruel and sometimes barbaric acts have been perpetrated to maintain their power, such is the failing of human kind.
Set in this context the potential ownership of United by the Saudis might not be so bad?
I haven’t been overdrawn for a few years.Are there any rich dummies on here?
Hope you are adding interest onto that tenner.I haven’t been overdrawn for a few years.
I have a few bob tucked away for a rainy day and I also lent a tenner to a mate once who still owes it me so I think that may qualify me. How much did you say they want?
That much oh well.
I believe it points to the model of ownership. You maximise profits by signing certain kinds of player and prioritising results over performance. So you end up with Jose and a weird unbalanced squad.Which points the finger at the management rather than the ownership. Getting the Saudi in will not necessarily change that.
But we have spent a lot of money - more than nearly every over club on the planet. You could argue that the Glazers employ Ed and that’s poor judgement, but why would the Saudis have a better idea about who the right football men are to take our club forward? What history do they have of turning footballs clubs around? We are spending obscene amounts already just spending it badly.You must live in cuckoo land.