A very good post this one is.Still winning his own league by some margin.
http://solskjaertabellen.com/ (I love the website)
+5 points to Liverpool and City
+7 to Arsenal
+8 to Spurs
+13 to Chelsea
It tells you everything about how disastrous was our situation before he came, that even after a run like this we're still 5th and 6th if Chelsea win his remaining league game. Even the excellence in terms of results and breaking historic records every week could not be enough to get us top-4.
I say this in anticipation, because if we ended up 5th or 6th I can see some people telling how he isn't good enough because the man isn't able to get even a top 4 place in the league. So when we analyze things let's remember where we come from and the general context.
No pre-season, no signings, learning about his players and changing our approach along the way, and still getting more points than the league challengers. I'm not sure if everyone is aware of the magnificence of all this.
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Read before you post, I even made key parts Bold for you.
you're right this is waste of time, since i did say i only commented on what you posted and that you didn't prove your point (didn't say you were wrong or right on poch not having many games where they have less shots) but the example you provided was not enough <<<< you don't seem to understand that point. I didn't think those will have been the only games where spurs had few shots on target but its your job to provide a good example (like you did afterwards, which was a better example and i said if you had posted that before I wouldn't have commented but for some reason you still don't get it) and I just commented on what was being posted and not what wasn't, I can't read your mind or make things up.....cough....look at you.
But anyways this is boring now, you make nonsense up (me making this manager vs manager or where i said its wrong to post additional games, as i previously said i wouldn't have commented if you had posted more games like you did in your other post afterwards) but then ignore it when i ask for proof of it.
I know it's not exactly how it works but if we kept up this rate of GD improvement for a 38 game season, we'd be on +65
Again lost the point and more nonsense. That's a fecking example of games, not all games. It wasn't hard to understand. Everyone got it including the guy who made the post except you.
Never mind
OGS did get to learn from Sir Alex and as AF stated OGS was a very intelligent reader of football games as a player and therefore he was able to come on as sub and change games. Since then Ole has been a manager for United Reserves, Molde, Cardiff and Molde again spanning over 10 year period. OGS did learn from the best manager in AF and that´s not a bad footballing education to get.
The effect he has had on the players and the whole club is just incredible and I would make the arguement that OGS already done enough to warrant the job full time. Compair him with Mourinho and how badly is OGS making Mourinho look as a manager. With every win and a total turnaround in both playing style, player performances, results and the effect of approaching things with positivity Mourinho is looking like an outdated football dinosaur.
Hearing fans sing songs about him at every game and seeing how players, staff and fans are enjoying themselves is a joy to behold. It takes a special kind of man to be able to do this and he´s also smart in surrounding himself with good staff in Phelan,Carrick and McKenna and working with them as a team as Sir Alex did back in his day by delegating responsibility to staff. How Mourinho looks worse and worse with each game and the way Mourinho went about his job in general compaired to OGS is a very interesting subject.
I guess the way of intimidating,scolding and just a negative approach in general like Mourinho did will not work in the longterm as proved by Mourhino sacked in his last 3 jobs. Treating players with positivity, clear standards and methods mixed with a little humility is certainly working a whole lot better. Having a manger that wants to be there and shows that matters also plus he has a much better understanding of players having been one himself. Sign Ole up now as the next United manager.
The effect he has had on the players and the whole club is just incredible and I would make the arguement that OGS already done enough to warrant the job full time. Compair him with Mourinho and how badly is OGS making Mourinho look as a manager. With every win and a total turnaround in both playing style, player performances, results and the effect of approaching things with positivity Mourinho is looking like an outdated football dinosaur.
Hearing fans sing songs about him at every game and seeing how players, staff and fans are enjoying themselves is a joy to behold. It takes a special kind of man to be able to do this and he´s also smart in surrounding himself with good staff in Phelan,Carrick and McKenna and working with them as a team as Sir Alex did back in his day by delegating responsibility to staff. How Mourinho looks worse and worse with each game and the way Mourinho went about his job in general compaired to OGS is a very interesting subject.
I guess the way of intimidating,scolding and just a negative approach in general like Mourinho did will not work in the longterm as proved by Mourhino sacked in his last 3 jobs. Treating players with positivity, clear standards and methods mixed with a little humility is certainly working a whole lot better. Having a manger that wants to be there and shows that matters also plus he has a much better understanding of players having been one himself. Sign Ole up now as the next United manager.
Our defence is definitely not getting better. We concede chances galore against any decent team and we just try to outscore them. That is the major difference, instead of sitting back and relying on a suspect defence we make the gamble that our forwards will do the job better than their forwards. This works out in most games because our forward line is very good, but becomes undone when we are up against a world class team who have more quality than us.
I never thought Top 4 should be the target, since it be history making to reach if from where we were. And indeed, if we got top 4 due to some calamity of the teams above us (like a points deduction) that wouldnt guarantee him the job either. It was always about his performances in the round, and trying to see if what he was doing would work on a permanant basis.Still winning his own league by some margin.
http://solskjaertabellen.com/ (I love the website
+5 points to Liverpool and City
+7 to Arsenal
+8 to Spurs
+13 to Chelsea
It tells you everything about how disastrous was our situation before he came, that even after a run like this we're still 5th and 6th if Chelsea win his remaining league game. Even the excellence in terms of results and breaking historic records every week could not be enough to get us top-4.
I say this in anticipation, because if we ended up 5th or 6th I can see some people telling how he isn't good enough because the man isn't able to get even a top 4 place in the league. So when we analyze things let's remember where we come from and the general context.
No pre-season, no signings, learning about his players and changing our approach along the way, and still getting more points than the league challengers. I'm not sure if everyone is aware of the magnificence of all this.
Ole must be given the permanent job in my opinion. Not only has he improved the morale of the team and the dressing room but also the supporters. We have intelligent support here at Old Trafford and we know exactly how good and bad our team is. What's more encouraging is, Ole knows exactly where we are at the moment and how we can improve from here on in. He has given us a huge boost by showing players that they're on a high pedestal and only hard work plus consistency will keep them here. He has never said one bad thing about the players. The best thing i can say about him is, even Young has improved a lot since we have started playing on the floor. No more long ball crap for us unless we aim to find the player with the pass, the wingers are staying wide and we're able to push from both sides and get into the box more often.
We have improved defensively because of our midfield improving so drastically! well done Ole and i hope to be onboard the train for as long as possible.
We have improved defensively because of our midfield improving so drastically! well done Ole and i hope to be onboard the train for as long as possible.
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Great Post and I totally agree. Ole has been having to learn this squad, it's strengths and weaknesses on the fly and to do what's he's done is brilliant, Ole has the wheel.Still winning his own league by some margin.
http://solskjaertabellen.com/ (I love the website
+5 points to Liverpool and City
+7 to Arsenal
+8 to Spurs
+13 to Chelsea
It tells you everything about how disastrous was our situation before he came, that even after a run like this we're still 5th and 6th if Chelsea win his remaining league game. Even the excellence in terms of results and breaking historic records every week could not be enough to get us top-4.
I say this in anticipation, because if we ended up 5th or 6th I can see some people telling how he isn't good enough because the man isn't able to get even a top 4 place in the league. So when we analyze things let's remember where we come from and the general context.
No pre-season, no signings, learning about his players and changing our approach along the way, and still getting more points than the league challengers. I'm not sure if everyone is aware of the magnificence of all this.
His points-per-game ratio has just sneaked ahead of City's outrageous haul last season. 100 vs 100.2Still winning his own league by some margin.
http://solskjaertabellen.com/ (I love the website
+5 points to Liverpool and City
+7 to Arsenal
+8 to Spurs
+13 to Chelsea
It tells you everything about how disastrous was our situation before he came, that even after a run like this we're still 5th and 6th if Chelsea win his remaining league game. Even the excellence in terms of results and breaking historic records every week could not be enough to get us top-4.
I say this in anticipation, because if we ended up 5th or 6th I can see some people telling how he isn't good enough because the man isn't able to get even a top 4 place in the league. So when we analyze things let's remember where we come from and the general context.
No pre-season, no signings, learning about his players and changing our approach along the way, and still getting more points than the league challengers. I'm not sure if everyone is aware of the magnificence of all this.
To expect to win leagues now, this, or close to this, has to be the standard.
Probably in the fight for the title. If we interpolate the results of these 11 matches for the entire season (it makes no sense, but why not) we are in course for 100.12 points, which would be an EPL record.
Jose deserves to be judged for crimes against football.
Neville was horrible in Valencia, Butt looks good in academy but hasn't ever coached a first team, Scholes is coaching in fifth league or whatever, and Giggs hasn't done anything of note yet. In his brief spell to us, based on the documentary, he was the most generic manager ever and didn't show absolutely nothing.
People at times forget that Ole is not a novice. He has coached for a decade now (more than 300 matches), won back to back titles with a team who hasn't won a title since or before, as a huge underdog passed the group stage of Europa, and on the other hand of the spectrum, got relegated with a team who was going to get relegated anyway. He has a lot of experience, while at the same time also failures to learn from. He is not a novice and was easily the best choice from all our legends.
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What a strange post given we have had so many academy players in the last 2 games
Greenwood and Garner at 17, players that young rarely start a PL game for any club.
Not the first time @Bola has made this point for whatever reasons known to no-one bar him.
First question, is your first name Jose? This is just utter bollocks and here are some stats for you.
Since Ole has taken over we have concided 10 goals in 15 games and that means 0,66 goals per games.
If you look at some stats and to compare them with this:
Season fewest goals conceded:
99/2000 Liverpool with 0,78 goals
2002/2003 Man Utd with 0,89 goals
2003/2004 Arsenal with 0,68 goals
2017/2018 Man City with 0,71 goals
So trying to say that the defence is not good is just plain wrong as stats do not lie, do they Jose? And Ole has managed to do that while playing good attacking football at the same time, go figure.
Whatever happens from here, I'll always be grateful to Ole and Phelan (who I think is just as important in all this) for bringing back what I thought was gone forever.
I had reached the point where I was watching out of a sense of duty under each of our previous 3 managers. I was watching in hope rather than with expectation. I was baffled time and again that a group of such talented players could be so bad, so often for so long.
I sure do hope he gets the job because he's shown way more than just new manager bounce and smiling a lot.
I had reached the point where I was watching out of a sense of duty under each of our previous 3 managers. I was watching in hope rather than with expectation. I was baffled time and again that a group of such talented players could be so bad, so often for so long.
I sure do hope he gets the job because he's shown way more than just new manager bounce and smiling a lot.
Agreed, it's not getting better (this is sarcasm). PL Games below, defensive stats:
Jose
Total Games - 17
Total Conceded - 29
Conceded Per Game - 1.7
Opponents Shots Per Game - 12.2
Opponents Shots On Target Per Game - 4.7
Opponents Shots Off Target Per Game - 4.5
Opponents Shots Blocked Per Game - 2.9
Ole
Total Games - 11
Total Conceded - 7
Conceded Per Game - 0.6
Opponents Shots Per Game - 11.1
Opponents Shots On Target Per Game - 3.5
Opponents Shots Off Target Per Game - 5.3
Opponents Shots Blocked Per Game - 2.4
To conclude:
- Significantly less goals conceded
- Less Shots per game
- Less Shots on Target per game
- More Shots off Target per game
- Less Shots blocked per game
So across the board our stats have improved. From the 11 games we've played in the PL the only clubs that have managed more than 3 shots on target against us has been Burnley (4), Leicester (6) and Tottenham (8).
Worst post I have seen in a while. Impressive stuff.
Must have slept through the start of this season? To summarise for you: we are much, much better defensively under Ole using the same players as Mou had. Doesn't mean we're the finished article but we're miles better.
You might want to re read the post
When that happened, I said out loud: ‘Bad decision!’
Though we did control the right side better after that, and Young did decide the match up front. Good thing I’m not The Gaffer.
Thanks, much better quality. Was considering the goal one and then these:
A couple of other options while we're at it...
More relevant today maybe
Always loved this
Molde fans? There are no such thing anymore - all converted to United fansWonder how the poor Molde fans are feeling now? They know he's not coming back
.Remember when we used to fear away games like it's the plague?
But he's had Fergie to lean on and there's no doubt the Wizard saw a lot sitting up there in the stands during Jose's tenure.
I felt a bit like this initially, but since Smalling's come back from his injury and Shaw's stepped up his form it feels like we're barely conceding any chances and look much more assured and comfortable. If we had an actual RB instead of a winger (no disservice to Young but he's not great defensively), I daresay we'd have one of the strongest defences in the league.
You write as if we now play with the same tactics Ferguson used (and as if he himself didn’t use and upgrade our tactics several times during his reign). Surely that’s not what you mean?
Formation-wise we have played mostly 4-3-3 with variations of 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2 diamond and even 3-5-2 which only sparsely overlaps with Fergusons most used formations (4-4-2 wings, 4-4-1-1 with shades of 4-2-3-1 later, 4-5-1 away in Europe and for a period 4-3-3 with Rooney-Tevez-Ronaldo.
Our use of interchangeable high press with directness, low press with zonal defence and counterattacks, or possesion with fb’s for width, based on game situations and oposition, is very modern football, based on eclectic use of inspiration from Klopp, Pep, Mourinho or perhaps rather Egil Drillo Olsen. Ferguson himself was eclectic, but used other sources. IMO.
Ole is the Prince that was Promised.
As the great Steve McDonald would say, flippin' 'eck!I know it's not exactly how it works but if we kept up this rate of GD improvement for a 38 game season, we'd be on +65
One thing that’s interesting, is all the speculations about: ‘Is it really the work of Carrick and McKenna we see?’, ‘Is it Phelan’s work?’ ‘Is it Fergie that’s behind it all?’ ‘Is it Mourinho’s work only without handcuffs?’ ‘Is it just catering to what the disposable players are good at?’.
Sometimes these plausible-sounding ideas are presented as a ‘maybe-it’s-not-about-Ole-(and-Poch-me-or-or-Ince-could-have-done-the-same). I tend to think they are all true, and that probably no one but Solskjær could make all these things count at the same time in a coherent way.
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A perfect example of how stats can be conjured to any argument if you look hard enough.
Anyone with a pair of functioning eyes could see how we dealt with Palace and the injuries we had in a controlled and professional manner, as well as the overall performance during the game where we didn't look under much threat, if at all, from Palace's attackers.
I was at the game, and there was not a single point of the match where I was nervous. The result was never in doubt, and yet according to xG, we were shaded by Palace's superior performance?
Even if this was the case, a stat like that is totally devoid of the context of 5/6 of our first choice attack and midfield being unavailable.
Fekin xG...
Sorry but our defence IS clearly getting better.
All the stats back it up. And if you watched how we evolved from when ole first took over up till now, it's bloody obvious.
What absolute gobshite from a clown that likely didn't watch the match.Tweet
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A perfect example of how stats can be conjured to any argument if you look hard enough.
Anyone with a pair of functioning eyes could see how we dealt with Palace and the injuries we had in a controlled and professional manner, as well as the overall performance during the game where we didn't look under much threat, if at all, from Palace's attackers.
I was at the game, and there was not a single point of the match where I was nervous. The result was never in doubt, and yet according to xG, we were shaded by Palace's superior performance?
Even if this was the case, a stat like that is totally devoid of the context of 5/6 of our first choice attack and midfield being unavailable.
Indeed stats say what one wants them to. The thing about the above and comments from posters saying we give too many chances to the opposition: it's like they've forgotten what it was like to watch the United of days gone. We were never a team to suffocate a game with possession or sit back and stifle the opposite side to no chances and nip a goal ourselves. We played fast, expansive football and were often having to deal with a swift counter. But usually our attacking nous was so effective the opposition chose caution...we still had matches here and there like, say, David Bentley scoring a hattrick. There were plenty of narrow games we held onto , but they were exciting. That's always been my interpretation of the United way, where we "make it difficult for ourselves".
Right now giving a chance or two more away than we would like is not a bad price to pay for the results (we made up so many points!!!) and the feel good factor, especially considering the circumstances to which Ole arrived. It's unrealistic to expect more. Plus if we appoint Ole ful time, and then add reinforcements and bed them into this mentality we will improve there and be in for a treat.
Not sure what's worse. xG or him saying Ole should be smart and reject ManUtd offer.Tweet
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A perfect example of how stats can be conjured to any argument if you look hard enough.
Anyone with a pair of functioning eyes could see how we dealt with Palace and the injuries we had in a controlled and professional manner, as well as the overall performance during the game where we didn't look under much threat, if at all, from Palace's attackers.
I was at the game, and there was not a single point of the match where I was nervous. The result was never in doubt, and yet according to xG, we were shaded by Palace's superior performance?
Even if this was the case, a stat like that is totally devoid of the context of 5/6 of our first choice attack and midfield being unavailable.
This xG has really fecked up how people watch football.
I've actually never seen this pic before. It's brilliant!Always loved this
Really, xG is one of the stupidest things around.
Without doubt. Game context, who takes the shot everything is ignored.
agreed, it was only the schlup chance immediately after we scored and switched off which he missed and that spell of 10-15 minutes or so which was entirely precipitated by Young's brainfart and cockiness where we looked vulnerable but in general, subjectively seeing our games we look more 'secure' and 'assured' during games so i'm not sure where the ones who are saying we look extremely vulnerable defensively are coming from if they are actually watching these games and still having that perception. Maybe they panic too easily and feel the oppo shouldn't even have possession in our third?Tweet
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A perfect example of how stats can be conjured to any argument if you look hard enough.
Anyone with a pair of functioning eyes could see how we dealt with Palace and the injuries we had in a controlled and professional manner, as well as the overall performance during the game where we didn't look under much threat, if at all, from Palace's attackers.
I was at the game, and there was not a single point of the match where I was nervous. The result was never in doubt, and yet according to xG, we were shaded by Palace's superior performance?
Even if this was the case, a stat like that is totally devoid of the context of 5/6 of our first choice attack and midfield being unavailable.