CL W Champions League Round of 16 2nd Leg

Paris St Germain 1:3 Manchester United

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Wed, 06 March 2019

tony54

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Just got into work and some thoughts from my wotkmate who supports Chelsea.

(I joked to him yesterday Lukaku eho he doesn't rate would score 2)

1st : United were lucky, Mbappe missed loads and should have got a penalty. He didn't slip when he was through on goal, Smalling pushed him.

2: Never a penalty because Dalots shot was never going in.

3: PSG were missing a lot of players.

Thankfully I've been moved to another desk far away from him.
Dont worry about Chelsea, they are just another plastic club.
 

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I loved how the second the whistle went the players ran the length of the pitch to celebrate with the fans. Respect
 

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This was the first I saw of Chong by the way. As a countryman, I really hope he'll be special, but my God, that was one of the worst sub performances I've ever witnessed. I think he lost the ball every time he got it.
 

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Still smiling about the result!. Love our club!!!!
 

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This was the first I saw of Chong by the way. As a countryman, I really hope he'll be special, but my God, that was one of the worst sub performances I've ever witnessed. I think he lost the ball every time he got it.
"Worst sub performances I've ever witnessed" - Christ talk about overreaction.
 

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What a great result for you guys! As Ajax fan these last two days couldn't be much better. I was really done with Man United under Mourinho, but since Ole comes it's fun again to watch you guys play.

In Amsterdam we like to play with a young talented team and it's so nice to see guys like Greenwood and Chong coming on for you in such a huge match for the club. It's such a positive sign for football that two clubs with such a big history reached the CL quarter finals by using young prospects. I would like to propose that we do the 2017 Europa League final all over in Madrid this year, but with another outcome of course ;)
Good post. Highlights the value of traditions at clubs. Both Ajax and Man Utd are still recovering from some pretty awful times (for clubs of their respective size and history..) but, but.. look at how the whole game of football reacts when you have top teams, doing incredible things with young, hard-working, homegrown players.

Dalot, McTom.. Shaw.... I could go on, and on.. excellent, excellent. They should all sign a copy of the game as a DVD and post to 'Jose Mourinho'.
 

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Still floating on air. Could barely sleep last night as head bouncing all over the place reliving the game. Last night I thought I was going to faint when Rashford was going to take the penalty. Absolutely brilliant and these players stood up to be counted. Proud of every single one of them.
 

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"Worst sub performances I've ever witnessed" - Christ talk about overreaction.
In my defense, I said one of the worst, not THE worst.

Hyperbole aside, do you think he did well? For instance giving the ball away in midfield in the dying seconds, allowing PSG one last chance?
 

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yesthere were huge amounts of luck involved but (appropriately) Napoleon once said ''I don't need good generals.I need lucky ones''. I think if that penalty had been against us, we would be screaming blue murder late into the night, but as the referee was completely effing useless, Kimpembe should have been sent off at OT, they were going down like ninepins at the slightest touch,and we had ten players out for one reason or another, then justice was done. Va te faire encouler, mes petits grenouilles.
 

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In my defense, I said one of the worst, not THE worst.

Hyperbole aside, do you think he did well? For instance giving the ball away in midfield in the dying seconds, allowing PSG one last chance?
I think he was okay. Was nervous as hell but defensively was very good including a cracking tackle on di Maria. To claim that it was one of the worst sub performances in whatever context is a bit weird.
 

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I have actual tears in my eyes while I'm going through this thread!

Looking at the reactions of players, fans, ex-players, pundits and even compliments from rival fans.

To put it into perspective I'd forgotten we even had a player called Martial until I saw his celebration video :wenger:

Like many on here I got a bollocking when I finally crawled drunkenly into bed for the racket I made when I turned the still German night air blue with my screaming celebrations as Marcus buried that penalty. The volume apparently ramped up while the ref allowed play to go on into the 100th minute as I was sure the dream would be cruelly taken away by FIFA bowing to oil money once again! My decision to drink a few more beers and start going through reactions was, on reflection, probably ill-advised! As was trying to explain the significance of what had just happened to my GF when I finally hit the sack at around 1:30am.

Being immediately evicted to the couch backfired on her though because it's far too near the fridge where all the cold beer was! :lol:
classic post. Also saved me from describing my evening :)
 

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In my defense, I said one of the worst, not THE worst.

Hyperbole aside, do you think he did well? For instance giving the ball away in midfield in the dying seconds, allowing PSG one last chance?
He didn't do much but wasn't any different to rest of the team either. It wasn't easy keeping the ball when most are behind the ball defending and Lukaku and Rashford are marked by two-three top class defenders each.
 

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This was the first I saw of Chong by the way. As a countryman, I really hope he'll be special, but my God, that was one of the worst sub performances I've ever witnessed. I think he lost the ball every time he got it.
don't judge him on ten minutes or so. he will be OK - even better for the experience. I expect the kid was nervous as hell, so I'll cut him slack.
 

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Bailly reminded again that we need an experienced CB in summer. Rest everyone is stepping up.
 

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I'm not saying our name's on the trophy, but...
Remember when Liverpool lost the 2016 Europa League Final, then we showed them how it's done by winning it the following year? Or how about when they lost the 2005 & 2016 League Cup Finals, then, once again, we rocked up and won them the following year. And who can forget us winning the 2008 CL, a year after Liverpool had failed in the final?
 

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This was the first I saw of Chong by the way. As a countryman, I really hope he'll be special, but my God, that was one of the worst sub performances I've ever witnessed. I think he lost the ball every time he got it.
Chong plays on fast forward. Like Rashford, his touch/close control can be inconsistent as his PSG performance showed. He doesn't really have much flair to get past defenders, which is currently a problem because defenders can outmuscle him. He's really skinny right now. He's usually at his best when his close control is on point when dribbling at speed. He hasn't really had a great season compared to last season.
 

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This was the first I saw of Chong by the way. As a countryman, I really hope he'll be special, but my God, that was one of the worst sub performances I've ever witnessed. I think he lost the ball every time he got it.
That's the dose of reality you never get in training or in 'U' matches. He will learn a lot and get matured.
 

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Told you all Woody needed to do is simply get lucky on a manager to fix us in the short term. Long term is a different story, but....

OLE OLE OLE :devil:
To be honest I don't understand the difference between short and long term. As a club we have got success when we have prioritised winning at all costs, now and not next year (like Liverpool). Ole has brought this winning mentality and made previously average players play much beyond their previous ceilings. This is Fergie-esque and I have no doubt we can win some trophies in next seasons with 2-3 new signings.
 

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In my defense, I said one of the worst, not THE worst.

Hyperbole aside, do you think he did well? For instance giving the ball away in midfield in the dying seconds, allowing PSG one last chance?
He completed 3 out of 4 passes attempted. He also won the tackle in 89th min in the box, next phase of play we won penalty.

It wasn't good performance but far from "one of the worst" sub appearance.
 

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Fair enough, I worded it a bit harshly, meant no offense. I think it's also my Dutch football heart being desperate for him being as good as Mbappe the first time he touches the ball in the CL :)
 

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I'm not saying our name's on the trophy, but...
Remember when Liverpool lost the 2016 Europa League Final, then we showed them how it's done by winning it the following year? Or how about when they lost the 2005 & 2016 League Cup Finals, then, once again, we rocked up and won them the following year. And who can forget us winning the 2008 CL, a year after Liverpool had failed in the final?
Why stop there?

Out of their past fifty-something home games in Europe, PSG have lost three times.

Each of the first two losses were to the eventual cup-winners.

Third time was last night.

(stolen from Reddit)
 

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This was the first I saw of Chong by the way. As a countryman, I really hope he'll be special, but my God, that was one of the worst sub performances I've ever witnessed. I think he lost the ball every time he got it.
Chill. He's a young man who came on right towards the end of an incredibly important game in the dying moments, with immense pressure. He was nervy - who can blame him? The rest of us were nervous sat on our sofas!
 

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As a PSG fan, I have experienced La Remontada two years ago and many diverse catastrophic events before and after Qatar acquired the club. My comments:

- Congrats to you: OGS implemented the right strategy given the circumstances: focus on the spine, straight-forward approach, 2 central strikers...

- Cursed PSG: with 3 goals which are some jokes including one in the 3 minutes of the game, especially given the context

- Overconfidence from several players before the 2nd leg: I'm not surprised that Kimpembe made a mistake even if VAR/referee is strange

- 2 of the 4 most important players out: not an excuse but we never have all the most important players on the pitch in February since several seasons. Missing Neymar and Cavani. I know that you had a lot of injured players my point still stands. PSG mainly relies on 4 major players: erratti+M'bappé+Neymar+Cavani... All the other players are secondary ones, which doesn't mean they are not good but I mean they can be replaced.

- Cursed Neymar . Let's say we had 4 critical games in two seasons and he only played 1 game: the first leg against Madrid last season and he was absolutely brilliant (best player on the pitch for me), injured before the 2nd leg, unavailable against United.

- Failure of German players who made to play for Arsenal and not for PSG: I'm sure @oneniltothearsenal would enjoy Kehrer and Draxler. They are like kids

- Failure of experienced players like Buffon and Dani Alves : we don't need them for the future, trust Areola and Meunier

- From a tactical standpoint, the right-wing was weak:
Kehrer/35-year-old Dani Alves/Draxler is a unit which lacks power, pace and energy. And PSG is cursed but it's part of our DNA since the 80s in a certain sense.

And to those who think PSG is a "superficial club", I just believe they are parrots with a limited football knowledge and appreciation and it's obvious that PSG fans at home and away have demonstrated PSG's soul is much more powerful than most of the Premier League clubs.

The club is still capable to retain M'bappé/Neymar/Cavani/Verratti for another year. If they are all available in February and if some adjustments are made in defence, then please be sure the club can win the Champions League next season :angel:

And to provide some context, in the last 6 years: we have been kicked out by

- Barcelona 3 times
- Real Madrid, Chelsea, United, City: 1 time

PSG will get his revenge sooner or later :devil:
 

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Fair enough, I worded it a bit harshly, meant no offense. I think it's also my Dutch football heart being desperate for him being as good as Mbappe the first time he touches the ball in the CL :)
:lol: Didn't we all!
 

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Looking back today, things that stick in your brain. Ole's bib ('Is he makin' himself a sub?' - P. Crerand). The rain, the rain, the rain. Fred's best ever game in a United shirt. Lindelof and Dalot, unsung heroes. Luke Shaw. How dead it went in the second half; the first 15 of that half a very telling period. Great offside 'goal' by Di Maria, in that phase, otherwise very little from PSG. And ... @Niall - you need to introduce a revision feature on match day ratings. It should be called the SMDR, first word being 'Sober'.
 

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@Ecstatic very gracious of you. Great post. Hope you lot keep the faith in Tuchel, he is a class act.
 

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As a PSG fan, I have experienced La Remontada two years ago and many diverse catastrophic events before and after Qatar acquired the club. My comments:

- Congrats to you: OGS implemented the right strategy given the circumstances: focus on the spine, straight-forward approach, 2 central strikers...

- Cursed PSG: with 3 goals which are some jokes including one in the 3 minutes of the game, especially given the context

- Overconfidence from several players before the 2nd leg: I'm not surprised that Kimpembe made a mistake even if VAR/referee is strange

- 2 of the 4 most important players out: not an excuse but we never have all the most important players on the pitch in February since several seasons. Missing Neymar and Cavani. I know that you had a lot of injured players my point still stands. PSG mainly relies on 4 major players: erratti+M'bappé+Neymar+Cavani... All the other players are secondary ones, which doesn't mean they are not good but I mean they can be replaced.

- Cursed Neymar . Let's say we had 4 critical games in two seasons and he only played 1 game: the first leg against Madrid last season and he was absolutely brilliant (best player on the pitch for me), injured before the 2nd leg, unavailable against United.

- Failure of German players who made to play for Arsenal and not for PSG: I'm sure @oneniltothearsenal would enjoy Kehrer and Draxler. They are like kids

- Failure of experienced players like Buffon and Dani Alves : we don't need them for the future, trust Areola and Meunier

- From a tactical standpoint, the right-wing was weak:
Kehrer/35-year-old Dani Alves/Draxler is a unit which lacks power, pace and energy. And PSG is cursed but it's part of our DNA since the 80s in a certain sense.

And to those who think PSG is a "superficial club", I just believe they are parrots with a limited football knowledge and appreciation and it's obvious that PSG fans at home and away have demonstrated PSG's soul is much more powerful than most of the Premier League clubs.

The club is still capable to retain M'bappé/Neymar/Cavani/Verratti for another year. If they are all available in February and if some adjustments are made in defence, then please be sure the club can win the Champions League next season :angel:
Good post.

Yeah you were without Neymar and Cavani.

A little reminder that we were without Pogba, Martial, Matic, Herrera, Sanchez, Lingard, Mata, Valencia, Darmian, 5 of whom are first choice, and we ended the game with quite a few teenagers on the pitch. I think we wanted it more, and that was the single biggest factor. Yes we got a bit of luck (though not much in the first leg)... but then if you look at your first goal I really think that simply doesn't happen with our first choice defence, and our midfield 3 were all our backup players.
 

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Remember when PSG wanted penalty in last seconds. When Marquinhos jumped on Shaw? They really tried everything. Bunch of divers
 

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