A serious question for the matchday thread moaners

[Vadim]

Many of you constantly state that most of our players are Championship standard at best.

But then you say Solsjkaer was the wrong appointment and is a terrible choice for manager as Man Utd.

So how can Solsjkaer work with Championship level players in the Premier League & Champions League? Surely he’s doing ok considering our players are so bad?

 

[darko]

Most people are extremists.

 

[SteveW]

Many of you constantly state that most of our players are Championship standard at best.

But then you say Solsjkaer was the wrong appointment and is a terrible choice for manager as Man Utd.

So how can Solsjkaer work with Championship level players in the Premier League & Champions League? Surely he’s doing ok considering our players are so bad?

Entitled moaners.

 

[Bearded One]

I agree with you @Vadim

I'm fecking tired of this set of players. Don't mind spunking 500million on players. Surely we have to have good players for once? And whoever calls Pogba the best midfielder in the world has some serious explaining to do for me.

How on earth is Solksjaer supposed to turn these guys to world beaters? He is no fecking miracle worker. Basketball from now on till we sort this shambles.

 

[Ban]

Matchday thread is a mad house.

 

[Camy89]

I love the match day thread. I use it for two reasons.

1. Acutely working out the frustration of the game

2. Taking the piss.

Anyone who takes it seriously needs a CT head to look for a brain.

 

[GaryLifo]

I asked this very same question after we lost to Barca at old Trafford. Oddly enough, I didn't get a single coherent response.

 

[Vadim]

I asked this very same question after we lost to Barca at old Trafford. Oddly enough, I didn't get a single coherent response.

I’m yet to get a response too.

I wait with baited breath.

 

[GaryLifo]

I’m yet to get a response too.

I wait with baited breath.

It's essentially a paradox. So there really is no answer other than that most are likely perfectly normal people who are venting irrationally in the heat of the moment, and the rest are posibly just irrational people behaving as they would do in any situation.

 

[Eyepopper]

The opinion of anyone who watches a match while simultaneously posting on the internet needs to be taken with a huge pinch of salt.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

Matchday thread is a direct response to what is happening on the field ( with exaggerated emotions). i dont see the issue with it, fans are letting of steam

 

[Andycoleno9]

Many of you constantly state that most of our players are Championship standard at best.

But then you say Solsjkaer was the wrong appointment and is a terrible choice for manager as Man Utd.

So how can Solsjkaer work with Championship level players in the Premier League & Champions League? Surely he’s doing ok considering our players are so bad?

Our players are not Championship level. ( ok, only Lingard is). We have squad which is very good.
But our coach is Championship level. Happy?

 

[Vadim]

Our players are not Championship level. ( ok, only Lingard is). We have squad which is very good.
But our coach is Championship level. Happy?

Yay I got a bite from chief moaner himself!

So, by your reckoning: Pep sells Lingard but sticks with Young, Smalling, Jones, Matic, Lukaku, Fred, McTominay etc and challenges for the league?

 

[Andycoleno9]

Yay I got a bite from chief moaner himself!

So, by your reckoning: Pep sells Lingard but sticks with Young, Smalling, Jones, Matic, Lukaku, Fred, McTominay etc and challenges for the league?

No, of course not. But that team would play decent football under him( or any good manager). We don't have that bad team like people keep saying here. Yes, we are far from Juve or Barca, we have some deadwood but we are not worse than Arsenal for example.

And for bolded part:

 

[Sea-Cow]

Our players are not Championship level. ( ok, only Lingard is). We have squad which is very good.
But our coach is Championship level. Happy?

I disagree.

Ashley Young's current level, as a right back / right wing-back, is Championship level.

Andreas Pereira would be average in the Championship.

Darmian... you think any other Premier league side would want him? Even if he was free?

Fred? Same question. No chance.

With Lingard in that mix, thats 5 of our starting 11 today. Its a credit to Ole that we were level at half-time. And its a minor miracle that we are even in consideration for the top four.

The squad is awful.

 

[jimmyb2000]

Sack Solsjkaer, sell Rashford

 

[lawliet354]

The opinion of anyone who watches a match while simultaneously posting on the internet needs to be taken with a huge pinch of salt.

I agree with this, the matchday thread is full of people who micro-analyze every player and overreact to everything, one second Pogba is world class because he made one great pass, the next second Pogba is liability because he lost a header. I wish people would wait until the match is over to judge the player's performance.

 

[Sweet Square]

Entitled moaners.

This.

The Ajax win in the CL over Juventus is a good example of this. They came moaning in about how United should be more like Ajax, how United have no structure compared to Ajax, that since the two played each in the EL final United have failed, etc etc etc. Only for the marginal less insane people to point out that Ajax haven't won anything since 2014 and in fact United have won more trophies than Ajax since that final in 2017.

Basic formula is - Ajax beat Juventus with youth players, well then United should have spent the last 5 years bringing academy players through. Had Juventus beaten Ajax then United should have spent 100m on Ronaldo.

There is a large pool of idiots posters who just want whatever the newest and shiniest thing in football is. This wouldn't be a issue if they were even mildly amusing but their not.

 

[Dec9003]

I read a post in the matchday thread which went something along the lines of:
Who are these players, they don't deserve to play for United. We signed Ole way to soon.
Clearly not happy that Ole hasn't dismantled the team yet and brought in his own players.
The matchday thread shouldn't be taken seriously. Those saying Solsjkaer isn't a good manager shouldn't be taken seriously either.

 

[bleedred]

This.

The Ajax win in the CL over Juventus is a good example of this. They came moaning in about how United should be more like Ajax, how United have no structure compared to Ajax, that since the two played each in the EL final United have failed, etc etc etc. Only for the marginal less insane people to point out that Ajax haven't won anything since 2014 and in fact United have won more trophies than Ajax since that final in 2017.

Basic formula is - Ajax beat Juventus with youth players, well then United should have spent the last 5 years bringing academy players through. Had Juventus beaten Ajax then United should have spent 100m on Ronaldo.

There is a large pool of idiots posters who just want whatever the newest and shiniest thing in football is. This wouldn't be a issue if they were even mildly amusing but their not.

Nail on head.

 

[Judas]

Matchday thread is a direct response to what is happening on the field ( with exaggerated emotions). i dont see the issue with it, fans are letting of steam

Basically this. I don’t get why people get worked up about how people talk in the heat of the moment and no ones forced to read it or take part.

 

[The Nani]

I agree with you @Vadim

I'm fecking tired of this set of players. Don't mind spunking 500million on players. Surely we have to have good players for once? And whoever calls Pogba the best midfielder in the world has some serious explaining to do for me.

How on earth is Solksjaer supposed to turn these guys to world beaters? He is no fecking miracle worker.

Spot on.

 

[Pavl3n]

I went once in the match day thread to discuss a situation that happened on the pitch and my post got lost 3 pages back within 3 minutes.
I was always asking myself the question how come the thread builds up so much if people were actually watching the game. Well they're not.
It's a chat forum where people just post senseless stuff that doesn't reflect the game.
It's pointless to me.

 

[Beagle]

The simple truth about the match threads is that they're far more entertaining to read than watching United play. The extreme opinions, people taking digs and the all the mockery is far more entertaining than the football on offer.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I disagree.

Ashley Young's current level, as a right back / right wing-back, is Championship level.

Andreas Pereira would be average in the Championship.

Darmian... you think any other Premier league side would want him? Even if he was free?

Fred? Same question. No chance.

With Lingard in that mix, thats 5 of our starting 11 today. Its a credit to Ole that we were level at half-time. And its a minor miracle that we are even in consideration for the top four.

The squad is awful.

There would be plenty of Premier League sides that would take all those players. City wanted to sign Fred FFS. Pereira was recently capped by Brazil and featured 58 times in La Liga over the past couple of seasons with a Champions League side in Valencia wanting to sign him permanently.

Trying to claim they are Championship level is some bizarre apologism for Ole. City do have better players but our players are performing well under their peak levels.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

This.

The Ajax win in the CL over Juventus is a good example of this. They came moaning in about how United should be more like Ajax, how United have no structure compared to Ajax, that since the two played each in the EL final United have failed, etc etc etc. Only for the marginal less insane people to point out that Ajax haven't won anything since 2014 and in fact United have won more trophies than Ajax since that final in 2017.

Basic formula is - Ajax beat Juventus with youth players, well then United should have spent the last 5 years bringing academy players through. Had Juventus beaten Ajax then United should have spent 100m on Ronaldo.

There is a large pool of idiots posters who just want whatever the newest and shiniest thing in football is. This wouldn't be a issue if they were even mildly amusing but their not.

It's a bit like Brexit, when you are disenchanted you just want something different. The problem is the old grass greener analogy.

I'm one of those who would press a button today and reshuffle the whole team, but the reality is probably somewhere in the middle.

I'm not a fan of Smalling for example, but he is a perfectly adequate backup. Jones similar, but together hell no and Jones is injury prone so he should go.

Similarly with you can't have a team of Ronaldo's and his age means the return on investment is very small.

Going full Ajax as you have stated comes with several years not winning anything. The blend is probably the answer and is what SAF did so well.

 

[Siorac]

This.

The Ajax win in the CL over Juventus is a good example of this. They came moaning in about how United should be more like Ajax, how United have no structure compared to Ajax, that since the two played each in the EL final United have failed, etc etc etc. Only for the marginal less insane people to point out that Ajax haven't won anything since 2014 and in fact United have won more trophies than Ajax since that final in 2017.

But we haven't won anything since then.

 

[Foxbatt]

I think the question that needs to be asked is how many of these players would be starters in the last PL winning team of SAF?
That will show how good or bad these players are.

 

[haram]

Matchday thread is garbage. I might pop in at half time and that’s about it.

 

[RG 11]

Many of you constantly state that most of our players are Championship standard at best.

But then you say Solsjkaer was the wrong appointment and is a terrible choice for manager as Man Utd.

So how can Solsjkaer work with Championship level players in the Premier League & Champions League? Surely he’s doing ok considering our players are so bad?

Are both the opinions shared by the same posters? If so it's a bit odd.

I post in the matchday threads ocassionally and vent a bit at the shitness of our players (especially technically) but I definitely think Ole worked a miracle to get us back into the top 4 fight and should be given at least a couple of seasons.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Many of you constantly state that most of our players are Championship standard at best.

But then you say Solsjkaer was the wrong appointment and is a terrible choice for manager as Man Utd.

So how can Solsjkaer work with Championship level players in the Premier League & Champions League? Surely he’s doing ok considering our players are so bad?

So true.

It's so annoying to see people already turning on Ole even when they acknowledge how shit the squad is.

 

[crossy1686]

Many of you constantly state that most of our players are Championship standard at best.

But then you say Solsjkaer was the wrong appointment and is a terrible choice for manager as Man Utd.

So how can Solsjkaer work with Championship level players in the Premier League & Champions League? Surely he’s doing ok considering our players are so bad?

They hate their jobs and their partners so they take it out on the match day thread where no one will 'leave' them.

 

[Bocca9978]

The opinion of anyone who watches a match while simultaneously posting on the internet needs to be taken with a huge pinch of salt.

This 100%

You’re either watching the game or not.

 

[Litch]

This.

The Ajax win in the CL over Juventus is a good example of this. They came moaning in about how United should be more like Ajax, how United have no structure compared to Ajax, that since the two played each in the EL final United have failed, etc etc etc. Only for the marginal less insane people to point out that Ajax haven't won anything since 2014 and in fact United have won more trophies than Ajax since that final in 2017.

Basic formula is - Ajax beat Juventus with youth players, well then United should have spent the last 5 years bringing academy players through. Had Juventus beaten Ajax then United should have spent 100m on Ronaldo.

There is a large pool of idiots posters who just want whatever the newest and shiniest thing in football is. This wouldn't be a issue if they were even mildly amusing but their not.

This.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I think the question that needs to be asked is how many of these players would be starters in the last PL winning team of SAF?
That will show how good or bad these players are.

Sorry but Fergie got the very best out of a lot of mediocre players in his time. We actually still have a number of players that started a lot of games for him in title winning seasons: Jones, Smalling, Young and De Gea. You can bet he would have used Rashford and Lingard too. I’d think he would have signed players like Shaw, Alexis, Martial and maybe even Lukaku.

 

[roonster09]

This.

The Ajax win in the CL over Juventus is a good example of this. They came moaning in about how United should be more like Ajax, how United have no structure compared to Ajax, that since the two played each in the EL final United have failed, etc etc etc. Only for the marginal less insane people to point out that Ajax haven't won anything since 2014 and in fact United have won more trophies than Ajax since that final in 2017.

Basic formula is - Ajax beat Juventus with youth players, well then United should have spent the last 5 years bringing academy players through. Had Juventus beaten Ajax then United should have spent 100m on Ronaldo.

There is a large pool of idiots posters who just want whatever the newest and shiniest thing in football is. This wouldn't be a issue if they were even mildly amusing but their not.

Good post.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Basically this. I don’t get why people get worked up about how people talk in the heat of the moment and no ones forced to read it or take part.

Exactly, I avoid matchday threads like the plague.

 

[arnie_ni]

Can't both be true?

Im going to give ole time, but I've yet to see him try to establish any form of tactics or a set formation.

He keeps reverting to 5 at the back and iorc we've lost every game we've done it.

At the start we played well with the diamond and split strikers, was Herrera that pivotal to it that he cant try it again?

Half the team needs shipped off, but id still like to see something, anything that makes me think, yea he knows what he's doing here.

 

[ErranMorad]

The match-day thread has impulsive reactions on the proceedings, which is nothing much different from the reactions you get when you are watching it with your buddies at home or in a bar.

Me honestly, I find the moaning about match-day thread moaners pretty weird. The moaners moaning on moaners need to get a life.

 

[crossy1686]

Exactly, I avoid matchday threads like the plague.

To be fair, the amount of moaning in threads all over the forum these days is dire.