You know this will be abused to hell like reddit right?This place would benefit from being able to like or dislike individual posts. Bit of feedback to posters and easier to see who is just trolling.
You know this will be abused to hell like reddit right?This place would benefit from being able to like or dislike individual posts. Bit of feedback to posters and easier to see who is just trolling.
Yes, I have to agree. Unfortunately I think your description matches about 90% of the people on here (or at least the most vocal ones).No. It’s soured me against the generation of fans who started supporting during the fergie years and expect constant waves of success. And those fans who play too much football manager or fifa and expect our clubs transfer policy to match.
This, absolutely. In general, most of the moaning about other Caftards here is nothing but a thinly veiled complaint about daring to voice disagreement.I think what RedCafe needs is some kind of 'Safe Space' where all the super duper intelligent people with all the management experience can air their far superior opinions without having to suffer the pain of being outraged and triggered by anyone who might have the temerity to disagree with them.
Maybe we could get Ed Woodward in there, I mean he's got a ton of management experience!
On a serious note, this strategy of insinuating that anyone who disagrees with your opinion has some kind of inferior CV and is therefore unfit to comment is one of the worst cases of "argument from authority" I've come across. It's beyond pathetic.
We lost 7 out of the last 9, going out of every competition. Show me a set of football fans who wouldn't be negative. The Caf really isn't special in this.Definitely, I hate being on this place after most matches lately, feels like at least half the members are city or Liverpool fans just wumming, there has been a definite increase in whingers and its a fecking negative place lately.
I would 100% prefer their “moderation style” if that means banning idiots and shutting down transfer threads.This, absolutely. In general, most of the moaning about other Caftards here is nothing but a thinly veiled complaint about daring to voice disagreement.
We laugh at RAWK but a great many posters would actually prefer their moderation style.
Don't think it's that bad to be fair despite the emotion felt on certain match days. I think it's more growing apathy because with a balanced look at United, it's more baffling (rather than depressing) how a club with such vast resources is not giving the likes of City a run for their money (even if coming off second best).I don’t know what people expect - things are depressing right now if you support United. Six seasons and counting without a sniff of a title challenge is getting bad by historical standards even if you ignore the distorted perspective created by that incredible run from 1993 to 2013. And facetious comparisons with 1974 don’t help - we all know that the likelihood of United being relegated again is about the same as Derby County and Nottingham Forest winning more league titles. Combine that with the sense of drift at the club while City hoover up trophies and even Liverpool get their act together...
As for how we deal with the situation, I find there is a strange mix of complacency and exceptionalism among some United fans. As though we don’t need to do what other clubs do in order to succeed in 2019 as we’re United and something or someone will turn up as happened in 1986.
Quite right. Social Media and fan forums are more about the ego of the poster than the subject of the post.Nothing online can sour me, I'll just that certain events in life (death of a relative for instance) puts everything into perspective and makes you realize how trivial football really is.
And you would decide who the idiots are, of course.I would 100% prefer their “moderation style” if that means banning idiots and shutting down transfer threads.
Fans made all sort of naratives. They spent big, they're afraid we missed out on top 4.The reason is that the Glazer's and Ed Woodward only care about making money and the Glazer's have taken a lot of money out of the club to line their own pockets.
Woodward himself has said that performances on the pitch don't affect their ability to be profitable or their reach on social media.
LVG said United is run as a commercial club not a football club and there is truth to that.
When winning leagues isn't the priority coming down from the top and the structure isn't set up with a long term vision for footballing success you get mediocrity.
Apparently there is no one on the board who has any experience of running a football club which is highly unusual.
Last year when many other clubs made a profit United didn't. This is perhaps why suddenly there are noises around directors of football and getting the structure right.
Hopefully this is the start of a change of attitude which will bring United back to winning ways.
Yes.And you would decide who the idiots are, of course.
It wouldn't work. Some people take ages to come round to a view that others have had for a while and vehemently argue otherwise until they eventually realise and it becomes an accepted view. See Rooney being finished in the PL and Martial not applying himself. Imagine the amount of downvotes they'd dish out until they clock on a year later.This place would benefit from being able to like or dislike individual posts. Bit of feedback to posters and easier to see who is just trolling.
They're never to be taken seriously (in terms of negativity as i think the caf can be a great forum when it comes to certain things)Quite right. Social Media and fan forums are more about the ego of the poster than the subject of the post.
It's soured me towards Manchester United supporters.
Well they are easy to spot, every point they make is a quote from social media and not their own thoughts. I've no time for them.Excellent post. You have to wonder how many of them have been to live football matches. I'm not talking about the odd game, but rather many games of football.
I'm an out of town United fan and probably been to around 60 United matches in 35 years, but every time I've been to Manchester or the odd away game, I've learned so much about fan culture.
As a teen age kid I used to be a regular at my local non league side. For away games we often shared a coach with the players as there were so few of us. Again, I learned a lot about football from this. I also spoke to players and realised they are just people like me, just better at football than I am.
I've also played the game at local Saturday and Sunday level. I'm not a good player really, but this makes me appreciate how hard it is. Even so, I've had games where i scored 4 goals then not scored for 5 games missing loads of chances. Hard to explain even to myself.
Football is expensive and also easier now to watch every game at home than it was when I was a kid or young man. I'm not blaming them for this, but I wonder if being so distant from the match going culture of football is the problem.
It’s fun because it’s sport at the end of the day , not life or deathOf course people have the right to challenge any view. But throwing out words like 'spoilt' or 'entitled' or just yelling 'get behind the manager' isn't the way to do that. If you did that in a pub you'd soon be drinking on your own.
As you say, it's reminiscent of the Brexit farce. Can't see how that's fun to be honest.
This post sums it up perfectly.Not at all. Still go to a lot of games (saving for a wedding at the moment, so not as many as I would like), still love watching United with my old man (after the Everton game we ate a lovely meal my mum had prepared in absolute silence ) and still love the history and emotions of this club.
What it has made me don-is realise how many people just don’t get football. There are people nowadays who literally don’t get it. For example I saw a twitter thread the other day of a “Mourinho fan”. That’s what some people are. Fans of players or names.
They also can’t wait. If they don’t get their own way they strop and kick off. If a young player struggles they are shit and should be got rid of. It is impossible for them to accept a homegrown legend like Ole could do well as he isn’t a name.
I’ve seen fans insult and demean Ferguson and Charlton. I’ve seen fans worship random signings like Kagawa, Ibrahimovic and Di Maria because they were big names. I’ve seen fans criticising lads like Young even though he’s given everything he could and is just no longer good enough.
I remember threads criticising “zombie football” and our midfield during Ferguson’s tenure. I was called a “top red” for saying that we were class and that people should be happy. I’ve been criticised for saying getting rid of Welbeck and signing Falcao was a worrying sign of what was valued at the football club. I’ve seen posters calling Carrick “Carsick” and then later pining for him when he was retired.
Basically there’s a lot of idiotic fans here. Look at those now crying that Ole got the job. But I’m happy that i get it and they don’t. Must suck for them.
Candidate for post of the year!Mine is the opposite - it’s soured me towards United fans.
That said, I think it’s teaching me about the stages we go through dependent on our age profiles. I first began posting on the caf as a 17 year old in 2004. Most of my views then were probably similar to the stuff I read now. And I remember an older group of fans at the time, those who had witnessed REAL Manchester United dark times looking down on spoilt fans for being so hysterical. We were lashing out every time we dropped points ‘this is the WORST this, and the WORST that’ - we were spoiled and entitled.
Fast-forward now to me being early 30s and I see myself taking on a different role. All everyone wants to do is tear the club down, jumping from one scapegoat to another. This player should ‘NEVER be at Manchester United, we have lost the plot’ - ‘why can’t we be more like Liverpool or City’ etc. I realise that the Liverpool everyone wants us to be more like have won nowhere near what we have won in my lifetime, likewise City - but it seems that there’s a younger group who think they should either stamp their feet or throw their toys to demand everything the beautiful game has to offer every season or else!
For me, I see it as a time to pull round the club more. I don’t even share this huge aim to find the ‘guilty party’ for our current woes, sometimes there is no obvious explanation. I was always told when Sir Alex was here that times would be tough when he leaves. And they have been, relatively. We’ve been in and around the top 4 since then, and not competed for a title. As much as I want us to win, this is part of the game. It’s just somebody else’s turn right now. I’ve seen periods where Real became a poor side, in the early to mid 00’s I think, I’ve seen periods where Bayern Munich couldn’t make the Champions League - and both these teams face nothing like the competition we face. We won’t always be able to hold such competition off every year, that’s just reality - and whether next year, or in 5 years, they won’t be able to hold us off any longer either. Every big club goes through these periods while they take a few years to gather themselves and come again. In every major league history will tell you that. In our own league, it is unique in that if you have a slump, it’s not just ‘the other team’ that moves ahead. It’s the ‘other 5’. That being said, I don’t think we’ve gone about the post-Fergie era as massively wrong as some do. I get irritated when I see what I suspect are a bunch of 22 year olds at best giving all of these speculative breakdowns and diagnosis of ‘how to run a major football club 101’, and telling everyone at operations level how they should be doing their jobs. Redcafe makes me feel old now basically, as the prevalent voice of whining and moaning reminds me of when I used to post as a teenager.