You're genuinely comparing 'not having his players' between Ole coming in and a Mourinho who'd already signed Bailly, Zlatan, Mkhi and the club's record signing?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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No manager can fix this problem while the current owners are at the club. Their model is the Mike Ashley approach, albeit on a larger scale. Appointing a DOF is like installing a false ceiling to hide a rotten roof.
Totally agree with the structure. I just feel really low right now.
Hm, lets see. Jones? Nah, Ole gave him new contract. Young? The same. Rashy? New Ronaldo is safe and will start every game. Pogba and De gea? They both want to go so it is possible.
So who else? Alexis and Matic is my guess.
You could actually argue our best run since Fergie left was under a manager who was aiming for short term success. He got us two trophies (+ the shield), an FA Cup final, a 2nd place finish and two consecutive years in the CL. But hey, lets just do this the United way whatever the feck that is.
He didn't need to say it, he almost made it happen by the end of the Champions League group stage and was well on his way to making it the case in the Premier League.If Jose said this....
If I was him I'd say feck this and head back to Norway for an easy life.
I couldn't cope with going into training and looking at those cnuts every morning.
I couldn't cope with going into training and looking at those cnuts every morning.
I'm no Jose fan but Ole is getting away with murder there.
Not a thread about if he should or should not be our permanent manager.
But instead about the contract.
He got it after our defeat to Wolves and Arsenal. Prior to that, other than the PSG defeat, we were steaming back up the table.
Since then, well, our form speaks for itself.
I will never understand the timing. Why not just wait until the end of the season?
But instead about the contract.
He got it after our defeat to Wolves and Arsenal. Prior to that, other than the PSG defeat, we were steaming back up the table.
Since then, well, our form speaks for itself.
I will never understand the timing. Why not just wait until the end of the season?
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He must be thinking of those who gonna run their contracts down, those who wanna leave us, doubt its a " we gonna rid of some players" because those who should we get rid of, they got new contracts under him. Otherwise its a silly talk.
We should do that for the last game. I mean why not ?Honestly, would you be that upset if he started the entire youth team?
I mean, that's a great way to make a point
How, is the league table wrong? Or have we got our version of the scousers true league table that morally sees us sitting comfortably within the top 4?
Apparently, it was to sort out contracts and shit. Not sure if we've sorted them out though.
Because Ed Woodward is a massive doughnut and couldn't be arsed to actually search for a top manager. Just a series of stupid decisions when it comes to him, starting with Moyes and continuing onto not backing Jose but not sacking him either.
He's right though. We are not good enough for the CL. The EL might just be a grounding for some young players and getting them used to playing in europe. It is also a disaster for those leeching owners of ours, so one good thing out of it. This club needs a big wake up call.
Or maybe Europa League isn't the level of the club....
I really really hope Ole knows he needs a proper back room staff. Seeing Carrick look clueless on the bench fills me with horror. Carrick is still learning, he shouldn't be put in an elevated position such as this. Not yet.
We need a good technical team to help him. I also fear Phelan's methods may be a bit outdated, too old school British and not taking into account the new modern football. We really need to at least get this right.
We need a good technical team to help him. I also fear Phelan's methods may be a bit outdated, too old school British and not taking into account the new modern football. We really need to at least get this right.
I disagree, we are not good enough to win it, but getting the the QFs shows we are good enough to be in it.
I hope he means what he says. Maybe now that there's nothing to play for, he will finally stop playing some of those useless fecks out there.
Our club hasn’t been run this way for decades because we’ve literally had the greatest manager in the history of the sport, for decades.
Pep could’ve done the same in Barcelona if he wanted to, he could’ve probably stayed there for decades, and then you would have told us that Barcelona are a special club that requires stability.
Any club requires stability, we’re no different to any other club.
What you’re getting now is long term commitments from our players, Jones, Young, Smalling, all the great long term ones.
Matic, Sanchez, Lukaku and Jones needs to go at least even if it means losing out in terms of transfer fees and also supplementing their wages to secure a move. The first two because they have no passion whatsoever - Lukaku because he's unfit to play the kind of football Solskjær's stated he wants to play and Jones because passion is all he's got (I love Jones by the way and it pains me but truth be told he's just not skilled enough to play for a top side in fact I think he'd struggle even cementing a place in a bottom-half one and Lukaku is a class player but incapable to keep up in a high-intensity game). T
he only consistently reliable defender we've had this season is actually Lindelof and our sole provider in midfield is Pogba - and our attack lacks completely that certain someone who can dominate. In general all areas except our goalkeepers are way off target in relation to where we want to progress and unless there are some really undervalued superstars out there I fear it'll take more than just one transfer window and promoting a few youngsters to fix this.
As for Solskjær he's still got my confidence until Christmas - because the stuff I saw today is the same as we've witnessed all season and they're not issues related to the coaching staff but rather the quality and mentality of certain players. And even with these issues our overall performances are better now than they were during the first half of this season prior to his engagement (with the exception of a few games *cough!* Everton *cough!*) - but if they don't make some tough decisions in the backroom then Ole and his crew will be as much to blame as anyone if we still look like this come January.
I've not been too enthused by his substitutes recently. Deciding to keep Lukaku on during the whole of the Chelsea game despite the man being totally knackered already midway through the first period and completely unable to keep up with play during most of the second made little sense to me - and I have no clue why he decided to wait so long before making changes today nor why he chose to sub Lindelof over Jones when he did. Why he's even starting Alexis, Matic, Lukaku and Jones too kind of baffles me - but I'm guessing it's a mixture of not having any real options at this time and also wanting to test the players' resolve and commitment - give them a chance to prove their worth that is seeing as how much some of them actually cost us / hoping to spur them into making that investment worthwhile - before deciding who to axe this summer.
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He did appear to be talking to himself when Phelan was talking to Pogba.
Best thing he and the staff can do IMO is to use this pre season to turn this side into the fittest and most energetic team in the league. Quality wise we are miles off and that won’t change in one summer. The only hope for me is that we become a team that will fight, press and will be horrible to play against. Then you’ve just got to hope that you’ve got some quality on the back of that.
What, a club that barely made it out of the Champions League group stages this season and scored one goal at home in the competition?
Jonnno. I mentioned a few days ago that he reminds me of Kevin Keegan during the last England game at the old Wembley.
He has that same glazed vague look in his eyes.
To his great credit, KK admitted that he was simply not good enough to manage at that level.
Ole seems like a nice bloke but I have to ask - does he really have the capability to transform this club.
I had expected more from the likes of Phelan Carrick and McKenna. To me they look clueless.
Yes the one that got the the QFs... Also getting out the group clearly shows your good enough to be in the competition
That is what i am saying for months now. Long term for big clubs is this and next season. Everton or Eolves can plan for 5 years. United or Barca can't.
With titles you earn money from sponsors. With that money you buy players. Players bring you titles. With results you stay big. Without it, you sink lower and lower.
Meaning we scored 1 goal at home in 5 games.
I'm with ole. I think we need to see hes got the b*llocks in the transfer window. Get rid of the dross bring in young, hungry players who want to wear the shirt and not just earn the biggest pay check.
He also needs to settle on a system, I've never known it before that a starting 11 can be announced, but people are flummoxed to a formation, this has been the case for the last few weeks
He also needs to settle on a system, I've never known it before that a starting 11 can be announced, but people are flummoxed to a formation, this has been the case for the last few weeks
All very reasonable.
No doubt a sentiment shared by just about all who frequent the forum.
I just don't expect this good faith to continue unabated into next season.
I think he's far too timid and passive for a United manager. Added to this he's very pally with the players - the complete opposite Jose who isolated them. We need something in between as Ole will never earn the respect of his players if he's constantly smiley, upbeat and keeps referring to them as Rashy, Chongy, Youngy etc.
The truth is despite half a season here Ole remains an unknown quantity. The only major decision he has made was to get rid of Fellaini. Next season he has it all to prove in terms of the style, fitness and intensity he wants his side to show. He has said encouraging things on this so let’s see.
Meaning we got to the QFs, its not hard to read.
Bang on
When you're telling me (and everyone else) to ignore the league table, maybe consider giving the 'it's not hard to read' shit a miss.
One non top red question. Is there any chance to Ed sack him and hire Poch or Allegri or somebody else? I mean, Ed is not THAT clueless. He sees what is going on and he knows how much would cost us to stick with Ole. Or does he?
Too much works for Woodward to actually search for good manager. He just went for the popular vote at time
The last part is the most disappointing
I really believe they would like to build the team around their philosophy; the one that McKenna did so well with the U18s but it’s been strangled by having so much dross and rank bad attitude in the firsts team
Where did I say ignore the league table, again, please try reading....
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