Thunderhead
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it won't this will take months to run, and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes yearsWould be funny if this played out for us to nick their CL place.
it won't this will take months to run, and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes yearsWould be funny if this played out for us to nick their CL place.
The Glaziers and Liverpool owners have worked together to start these investigations for mutual gains .Would be funny if this played out for us to nick their CL place.
I'm not saying EUFA will punish all the clubs. Check out #76 post.Why should it when 3 out of the 4 clubs are legitimate?
Because politicians are notoriously incorruptible.Might not be the smartest move questioning the integrity of the former PM of Belgium. Seems a hot headed response.
Stop with tinfoil hat stuff. And what is EUFA?I wasn't referring to all clubs. I was alluding to the point that EUFA may be more inclined to punish City because of the dominance of English clubs over their darling Spanish duo this year.
It is pretty obvious City have not followed a lot of the rules. I think how is the big question and if these methods can be seen as legal ones with the right lawyersBecause politicians are notoriously incorruptible.
Anyway, if City are challenging it at least that should mean we will get to hear the evidence on both sides and make a proper judgement on the case, rather than a narrative in the media where we are only hearing one side of the story.
I admire your logic that because City have allegedly broken UEFA's rules we should be stripped of titles won in competitions that are not subject to UEFA's rules, but rational thought has never been one of your strong points.Strip City of all their trophies since their sugar daddy arrived, ban them from the CL for 5 years, fine them £200m and make them start next season with a minus 30 points deduction.
They would be still finish above us though.Strip City of all their trophies since their sugar daddy arrived, ban them from the CL for 5 years, fine them £200m and make them start next season with a minus 30 points deduction.
I think you did follow the rules slightly better this season so you can keep that one. Last season though the corruption was too high so you should give us that title.I admire your logic that because City have allegedly broken UEFA's rules we should be stripped of titles won in competitions that are not subject to UEFA's rules, but rational thought has never been one of your strong points.
UEFA. Though I would have thought that quite obvious. Apologies.Stop with tinfoil hat stuff. And what is EUFA?
While we are at it, you should also terminate all the contracts that were signed after the take over.I admire your logic that because City have allegedly broken UEFA's rules we should be stripped of titles won in competitions that are not subject to UEFA's rules, but rational thought has never been one of your strong points.
Yep but it's hard to make a fair judgement on what we've actually done when we only have leaked documents and emails that are obviously intended to portray the club in as negative a light as possible. Some of them likely speak for themselves, others probably become far more innocuous when provided with the proper context.It is pretty obvious City have not followed a lot of the rules. I think how is the big question and if these methods can be seen as legal ones with the right lawyers
I know you meant UEFA, I was asking what was E in EUFA.UEFA. Though I would have thought that quite obvious. Apologies.
I'm surprised someone of your considerable intellect can't quite grasp the point I'm making. Perhaps if you read my last couple of posts the penny might drop.
LikewiseWell I work in IT, so who knows?
Your last sentence makes sense of my point.I know you meant UEFA, I was asking what was E in EUFA.
I read and it doesn't make any sense. It's same with every league fans, they all think they are hard done by UEFA.
So who exactly are they favoring? Is that La Liga or EPL?Your last sentence makes sense of my point.
Can we leave it there?
UEFA and the PL have different rules. The PL's are far more lenient and relaxed in regards to losses allowed. There's no claim, as far as I'm aware, that we have contravened any domestic rules.Be interesting to see what the Premier League investigation concludes. Imagine they'd have a hard job of trying to sweep it under the carpet if UEFA are this determined to lay down some sort of actual punishment.
About time really.
And ban them from professional ice-hockey too.I admire your logic that because City have allegedly broken UEFA's rules we should be stripped of titles won in competitions that are not subject to UEFA's rules, but rational thought has never been one of your strong points.
From what I've read I think it is the sponsorship deals we have with Etihad, Aabar and Etisalat. It looks to be honest like it's going to be rather dry and boring legal questions that determine the outcome of this case, and whether they legally do fall under the definition of a Related Party Transaction. If UEFA can prove that they do, then I'm guessing UEFA would then subject them to fair market value, and reassess our figures accordingly. Then, if it transpires we would have failed FFP with these adjusted figures, we would/should be punished as we would have been originally in addition to a further punishment for the attempt to conceal our contravention of the rules. I reckon a compromise will be reached as it seems like it could be quite a protracted legal dispute which benefits neither side, unless one side is very convinced of the legal footing on which any action would reside.Has it been revealed exactly what City are being investigated for? As in the exact numbers that were used and which specific deals it all relates to.
Fair enough, I thought when I read that the Prem had decided to join UEFA in investigating that they were looking into financial matters as well as some of the stuff around young player transfers.UEFA and the PL have different rules. The PL's are far more lenient and relaxed in regards to losses allowed. There's no claim, as far as I'm aware, that we have contravened any domestic rules.
I was asking the question would they take this opportunity. I'm not saying they will or do. I question the levels of corruption at most Footballing authorities. How did Azerbaijan get the final of the EL for example? The airport at Baku can't manage more than 15,000 foreign fans and both Chelsea and Arsenal have only been allocated 7,000 tickets each. The stadium holds 68,000.So who exactly are they favoring? Is that La Liga or EPL?
They have nothing to gain by supporting La Liga over others. If anything they favor all big 4 leagues, that's the reason for all the rule changes, to make sure all the big leagues are well fed.
Why would they? It's not like shitting on English clubs is their sole agenda. Like I said, top 4 leagues are well protected and UEFA don't love or hate English clubs. It's just one more silly things that English club fans and part of media likes to believe.I was asking the question would they take this opportunity. I'm not saying they will or do. I question the levels of corruption at most Footballing authorities. How did Azerbaijan get the final of the EL for example? The airport at Baku can't manage more than 15,000 foreign fans and both Chelsea and Arsenal have only been allocated 7,000 tickets each. The stadium holds 68,000.
they are, but it's a separate investigationFair enough, I thought when I read that the Prem had decided to join UEFA in investigating that they were looking into financial matters as well as some of the stuff around young player transfers.
If you say so.Why would they? It's not like shitting on English clubs is their sole agenda. Like I said, top 4 leagues are well protected and UEFA don't love or hate English clubs. It's just one more silly things that English club fans and part of media likes to believe.
Yeah it is hard for us to really know what is fully going on. It is not something new really.Yep but it's hard to make a fair judgement on what we've actually done when we only have leaked documents and emails that are obviously intended to portray the club in as negative a light as possible. Some of them likely speak for themselves, others probably become far more innocuous when provided with the proper context.
Lot of different things, this article talks about it https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...ng-shadow-firms-to-flout-rules-a-1255796.htmlHas it been revealed exactly what City are being investigated for? As in the exact numbers that were used and which specific deals it all relates to.
I think it depends on how they categorise the 'crime' - it seems like an organised financial crime from the outside (I don't have a legal background) in which case I think they can't use the emails specifically in the prosecution but can use them as a source of intel. Basically, if they then find what we all think they will, the fact they found it through hacked emails is fine.It won't stand up in court. The emails were hacked.
Which court though? They'd have to take it to Swiss courts if they'd want to take it to civil courts I guess?It won't stand up in court. The emails were hacked.