Anyone who keeps players like Young, Lingard or Smalling not only in the first team, but also in the first squad shouldn't be a manager in any club, not to mention Manchester United. I don't trust Ole, at all. He proved he's the wrong guy, now he is sticking to the players, who have been dragging us down for years now.
What’s the reasons for keeping Ole?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
We weren't fun to watch under SAF for a lot of the time post Ronaldo. We still scored a lot of goals.
I honestly haven't seen much in Oles application against the better sides. Against the bottom end of the league sure, but we actually looked worse against say Wolves Everton, even Cardiff etc under Ole than we did under Jose.
Now he is sticking to the players who has been dragging the club down for years - simply because he hasn't had a single chance to do anything about it....JEEZ. Give the man one transfer window before you complain. He didnt sign these players.
There’s no reason..,,No logical explanation....Solksjaer will be sacked before the end of next season and we”ll have to start from scratch all over again...
First y'all blamed Moyes, then y'all blamed LVG, then y'all blamed Jose, and now y'all are blaming Ole.
Time to face reality...we wouldn't be having these discussions if we had City's squad. Our players are crap, and have been for a while.
Time to face reality...we wouldn't be having these discussions if we had City's squad. Our players are crap, and have been for a while.
I agree the players aren’t good enough & aren’t putting in enough effort consistently.
I did though see a plan & vision of how to play with LVG & Jose won us things- I just don’t see anything like that with Ole- there is no playing style & mediocre teams were dominating against us at home..
So wich players should he have used when they did not buy a singel player in the winter transfer window?? Imaginary players?? He used alot of young players in Molde so I'm quite sure that if the young players was good enough they would been used. I'm so fecking tired of people with less brain than kermit saying a manager that use those players blablabla. Sence they all have contracts they have to be sold to get rith of them. It's been 3 managers before him that could have sold some of these players. So stop blaming the only manager that has not had a singel transfer window!!
The managers play a huge part in buying the players, training the players, and setting up tactics to get the best out of the players. If all those aspects are obviously being done badly, the fault isn't in the players themselves. Especially not over a six year period where we've bought almost an entirely new squad. It's not just the manager to blame, but they certainly play a very big part in it all.
A big issue when looking at the squad is the failure to move players on, and the ridiculous wages that are paid to very average players. Who on earth sanctions extensions to players like Jones, Young , Rojo etc which bloats both the squad and the wage bill.
Is it Matt Judge or Woody? as the managers would no doubt like to move those sort of players on and revtalise the team with new signings. Sure there are financial imperatives that can sometimes fly in the face of these rather simple objectives, but by continuing with resigning these average players you end up where we are now. Wondering why we havent advanced some of the younger players and at the least signed some younger up and comers and given them a chance to play at the club. Woody and Judge have failed to realise that it is a football club first and not a financial management initiative, until that is put in the correct order, times will remain tough.
Is it Matt Judge or Woody? as the managers would no doubt like to move those sort of players on and revtalise the team with new signings. Sure there are financial imperatives that can sometimes fly in the face of these rather simple objectives, but by continuing with resigning these average players you end up where we are now. Wondering why we havent advanced some of the younger players and at the least signed some younger up and comers and given them a chance to play at the club. Woody and Judge have failed to realise that it is a football club first and not a financial management initiative, until that is put in the correct order, times will remain tough.
People need to chill, it's a genuine question.
I think it has to do with..
1. Small hope that Ole could replicate back the awesome football (Dec 18' - March 19') the players performed and his decisions making when he were the caretaker was almost everything spot-on. Slim chance this will happening of course but who knows. Why Ole became so "scared" or "stiff" in his decisions makings later on, or even "naive" I have no idea why he insist on it. Caretaker Ole have nothing to lose, Manager Ole have something to lose eh?
2. He hasn't really given any transfer windows or summer pre-season to "fix" his team. The Jan 19' doesn't count since he's the caretaker at that time and I doubt he has any strong say to the transfers in nor out and even contract renewal. He's just the poster boy for the contract renewals news. He did claimed to offer his opinions to Ed but seriously is Ed going to listen to a caretaker after few amazing runs of football? no way (mind that this is in Jan, Ole became the caretaker late Dec, games are too few). Only after Ole established himself more with more good results which he then rewarded with permanent manager contract in late March, and now Ed have to listen to the manager, or it won't be "justified" sacking him afterwards if he have to.
3. Club gave him permanent manager contract (just at the end of that amazing run and few games after the start of the shit run ironically) so they have to abide by it, it's "ridiculous" as in making them more laughable being as they already are a big joke, if they sack Ole after 2 months late season with no chances given to fix the team.
4. Doubt this is a reason by the club management team -> but we know Ole care about the club. He will do all he can. Unfortunately ever since then, there is a big question mark over his managing, mental/character (as manager) and tactical skills. Start of next season is time for him to show his worth. Just care is not enough at top level. There is also question mark over his adapting and learning skills, thing is... his reputation now is a low level manager.. the least he can do is to show he's willing to learn and adapt quickly.. but there are no signs of that, and instead he opt to do bad decisions making and seriously sticking with it up until towards the end of the season.. even a stupid pointless final game, so depressing.
5. Club are managed by incompetent leader and his followers who have no proper planning nor good ideas about how to run a football club, football wise specifically, not commercially. I'm sure they have zero idea who to hire.. either just listen to Fergie's consultation or get any top form and/or top reputation managers (LVG and Mou) available in the market. It's fine to listen and consider Fergie's advises but it's what they do with it that are the problems. Hiring Ole is right, we did switch it up and had that amazing runs (just see the EPL table eversince Ole takeover, United is at top 4 iirc or at least during the end of the best momentum), but then that permanent contract decision made by the club (not Fergie) is ridiculous.
From what I see, club should have two options; either a. hire Ole during the top momentum but only for one and almost half year as in including the remaining months of last reasons or b. wait until the end of the season, let him be the caretaker until the end and only then make proper judgment. Nope, they hired Ole during the end of the momentum and already started shit runs, and even a ridiculous 3 years contract or something.. my gahd, that's terrible. Give him 1 year max contract, then extension option, should be the way to go if they're hiring him perma. Sacking a legend doesn't feel right, better to let him go if he fail. Meh, whatever. The justification for sacking Ole next is bad results, but again that would leave a bad taste and another improper planning reputation by the club... they're on a roll. If Ole proved to be a goldmine, who knows, then they can hide their incompetency.
I think it has to do with..
1. Small hope that Ole could replicate back the awesome football (Dec 18' - March 19') the players performed and his decisions making when he were the caretaker was almost everything spot-on. Slim chance this will happening of course but who knows. Why Ole became so "scared" or "stiff" in his decisions makings later on, or even "naive" I have no idea why he insist on it. Caretaker Ole have nothing to lose, Manager Ole have something to lose eh?
2. He hasn't really given any transfer windows or summer pre-season to "fix" his team. The Jan 19' doesn't count since he's the caretaker at that time and I doubt he has any strong say to the transfers in nor out and even contract renewal. He's just the poster boy for the contract renewals news. He did claimed to offer his opinions to Ed but seriously is Ed going to listen to a caretaker after few amazing runs of football? no way (mind that this is in Jan, Ole became the caretaker late Dec, games are too few). Only after Ole established himself more with more good results which he then rewarded with permanent manager contract in late March, and now Ed have to listen to the manager, or it won't be "justified" sacking him afterwards if he have to.
3. Club gave him permanent manager contract (just at the end of that amazing run and few games after the start of the shit run ironically) so they have to abide by it, it's "ridiculous" as in making them more laughable being as they already are a big joke, if they sack Ole after 2 months late season with no chances given to fix the team.
4. Doubt this is a reason by the club management team -> but we know Ole care about the club. He will do all he can. Unfortunately ever since then, there is a big question mark over his managing, mental/character (as manager) and tactical skills. Start of next season is time for him to show his worth. Just care is not enough at top level. There is also question mark over his adapting and learning skills, thing is... his reputation now is a low level manager.. the least he can do is to show he's willing to learn and adapt quickly.. but there are no signs of that, and instead he opt to do bad decisions making and seriously sticking with it up until towards the end of the season.. even a stupid pointless final game, so depressing.
5. Club are managed by incompetent leader and his followers who have no proper planning nor good ideas about how to run a football club, football wise specifically, not commercially. I'm sure they have zero idea who to hire.. either just listen to Fergie's consultation or get any top form and/or top reputation managers (LVG and Mou) available in the market. It's fine to listen and consider Fergie's advises but it's what they do with it that are the problems. Hiring Ole is right, we did switch it up and had that amazing runs (just see the EPL table eversince Ole takeover, United is at top 4 iirc or at least during the end of the best momentum), but then that permanent contract decision made by the club (not Fergie) is ridiculous.
From what I see, club should have two options; either a. hire Ole during the top momentum but only for one and almost half year as in including the remaining months of last reasons or b. wait until the end of the season, let him be the caretaker until the end and only then make proper judgment. Nope, they hired Ole during the end of the momentum and already started shit runs, and even a ridiculous 3 years contract or something.. my gahd, that's terrible. Give him 1 year max contract, then extension option, should be the way to go if they're hiring him perma. Sacking a legend doesn't feel right, better to let him go if he fail. Meh, whatever. The justification for sacking Ole next is bad results, but again that would leave a bad taste and another improper planning reputation by the club... they're on a roll. If Ole proved to be a goldmine, who knows, then they can hide their incompetency.
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Well for a start he earned a bit of time with that start he made but all people ever do is bring up the negative.
He had a brilliant run followed by a very poor one. Given time, we'll see which one was closer to the truth.
He had a brilliant run followed by a very poor one. Given time, we'll see which one was closer to the truth.
Yes but even during the good start results wise I didn’t think really performances were great or seeing any style being implemented? It’s also much worse to be regressing than progressing as a manager..given more time you should be able to get your ideas across more.
This makes the start look like just a new manager bounce against mediocre opposition unfortunately
1. On a whole, his results have been fully acceptable (3rd in the Premier League counted from when he took over, as well as good FA Cup and CL results). The poor form to end the season is an obvious concern.
2. It will look really bad from the club's perspective to sack a manager that they recently gave a permanent contract.
3. He is yet to have had a transfer window to improve the squad. Many complain about him selecting this or that player when in reality he doesn't have much to choose from.
4. Lack of obvious replacements. I don't see there being another manager on the level of Klopp, Guardiola and Pochettino available right now. If you can't bring in someone who will be a sure success, why not give Ole the extra time to prove whether he is up for it or not?
2. It will look really bad from the club's perspective to sack a manager that they recently gave a permanent contract.
3. He is yet to have had a transfer window to improve the squad. Many complain about him selecting this or that player when in reality he doesn't have much to choose from.
4. Lack of obvious replacements. I don't see there being another manager on the level of Klopp, Guardiola and Pochettino available right now. If you can't bring in someone who will be a sure success, why not give Ole the extra time to prove whether he is up for it or not?
So he signed a contract in March and we are 10 days into the transfer window? Yet you are angry with him sticking with players?
Not even given him a chance.Yes but he didn’t have to keep playing them in the first team.So he signed a contract in March and we are 10 days into the transfer window? Yet you are angry with him sticking with players?
And see my point above:
Even during the good start results wise I didn’t think really performances were great or seeing any style being implemented? It’s also much worse to be regressing than progressing as a manager..given more time you should be able to get your ideas across more.
This makes the start look like just a new manager bounce against mediocre opposition unfortunately
To be far, the only reason Jones, Rojo, Smalling and Young have got contract extensions is we would of ended up with a lot of players out the door.
Ander + Valencia are already gone, Mata looks like he's gone as well. If we let those 4 go. We would pretty much need to sign/promote 6 players as replacements before we even start looking at another set of signings to strengthen other areas.
I think it's obvious we're looking at CB, RB and some attacking reinforcements. Hopefully who ever we get at CB and RB can walk right into the starting 11 and we've got those 4 as cover. Then maybe next season we look at players who can cover.
Unfortunately as much as me and many other would like, it's not a case of being able to get rid of everyone and replacing them. This is going to take a few transfer windows to sort, and even then some signings won't work out.
I said it before it's taken Klopp, 6 transfer windows to build this Liverpool team. Took Pep 3 windows.
Because Man Utd are kinda into that bit of Two And A Half Men where they had to get rid of Charlie Sheen and hired Ashton Kutcher. Why? Why not? Gotta keep the show on the road, no idea how to do it, get someone in and see what happens.
I really want to see how next season goes too, because Man Utd loves a story, and if he were to be a success, it really would be a wonderful story. He could do it. Why not. Free Willy jumped that wall.
I really want to see how next season goes too, because Man Utd loves a story, and if he were to be a success, it really would be a wonderful story. He could do it. Why not. Free Willy jumped that wall.
Who does he play instead?
Young - Valencia, who was so bad last few seasons he was pretty much confirmed as going at Christmas. Dalot? Damian?
What about Smalling - Jones, Baily and Rojo? Were they ever fit ?
Lingard as well? - Sanchez? least Lingard looks like he's bothered? Mata?
The style and way of playing is your opinion really. Many here disagree. Here few articles about how we played under Ole.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/07/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-perfect-fit-man-utd-dna/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...aer-has-restored-manchester-united-way-could/
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/how-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-bringing-16128685
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/ols...ter-united-success/1c4tuh6dxl2d11s2215l24uhek
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Only at Man Utd with the clueless CEO where a rookie manager drag the club through the mud with the worst ever run in the club history but get rewarded to the biggest ever rebuild job in the club history. This is the recipe for disaster.
No other major club RM, Barca, Bayern, Juventus and etc will make this absurd decision which more likely to lead to catastrophic than success.
No other major club RM, Barca, Bayern, Juventus and etc will make this absurd decision which more likely to lead to catastrophic than success.
Yeah, Guardiola and Zidane were proven CL winning managers when signed by RM and Barcelona.
Dunno about that, the rebuild after the Munich Air Disaster would have been bigger, well obviously, but carry on. Drama Queens gotta drama.
After the disappointing finish to the season I started to have my doubts about Ole. Now feeling more confident and think he needs to be given the full backing of the club. I know there's a lot of rubbish being reported, but I like the players we're being linked with. Long summer transfer window ahead but with a good window and a full pre season, I'm hopeful we'll see some good progress next season.
First of all, RM and Barca team are full of world class players. Secondly, those 2 managers never led the club through worst run in their history. Finally, and most importantly, both managers played with very distinctive, effective and modern system that brought the club success.
So really there is no comparison in this at all.
If it makes you happy then I should state "one of the biggest ever rebuild job".
Ok drama queen?
Thanks drama queen.
Ed doesn't have balls and knowledge to fire him now because that will be the proof that he made a mistake and he would look ridiculous. Instead he will give him 200 mil and sack him in december.
Football reasons to keep him? Not a single one. Biggest mistake that this club made in last 30 years( including Bebe)
Football reasons to keep him? Not a single one. Biggest mistake that this club made in last 30 years( including Bebe)
I love the ignore function. Its a pity ignore thread doesnt fecking work
Zzzzz
Ole is the least of our problems. The players are the worst group we have had in my lifetime. With our current owners and Chairman i can say with confidence that we are fecked till that changes.
Because the 'United Way' will see us through.....
Because a significant portion of the supporter base loves marinating in nostalgia and the United Way and everything from the golden era. No chance he gets permanently appointed following any other manager. It was a nice sunny change from the soul-crushing Jose Mourinho. The receptionist felt better, the cooks felt better, the security staff felt better. It temporarily distracted from how bad the club is run on all levels. None of this was made with a clear-eyed footballing mind. It was pure emotion.
The biggest mistake the club has made in the last 30 years was employing Jose Mourinho.
Man who won 2 of 3 our trophies in post SAF era? Yeah, right right.
The main reason is the fear of admitting we were wrong in appointing permanently him in the first place. That’s the biggest reason why he will be our manager headed into the first game of next season, and not anything he has done positively post-Paris.
Halle-fecking-lujah
We haven't even signed a player yet or kicked a fecking football!
The state of some morons.I dread to think what people are going to be like if we don't win our first game of the season 7-0?
Still not enough behind the rivals.
Micky mouse trophies no one cares about in the grand scheme, the prick was in the news today saying he was expecting the sack.
people who are expecting the sack in the workplace are because they have been shit