Eddy_JukeZ
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Valverde is going to waste him in his 442 hybrid.
I don't even care if he has his moments of casualness in the future and it costs the team. I'm sure it happened to Iniesta and Xavi, but I can't remember it, I only remember the beauty, and such a player Frenkie is.He's so extremely comfortable on the ball. It just feels natural to him. He still has these moments where he's a bit too casual but I'm sure he'll iron them out eventually. Nothing too problematic.
To be fair, Busquets, Vidal and Rakitic are all past their best. Vidal's best was never really Barca standard anyway.I give it two months into the season before the usual people here start complaining Barcelona's midfield with De Jong, Busquets, Arthur, Vidal, Rakitic and Aleña isn't good enough.
Seriously though, Valverde is going to get so much shit next season unless he wins every single trophy
While I agree that he's not necessarily a playmaker of Xavi's Calibre, it's a lot easier to have vision when you're picking out the runs of Messi, Suarez, Ronaldinho, Henry and Eto'o rather than Babel and Memphis.He's a really good recycler, but not a true playmaker with vision, folks that already compare him to Xavi etc. are in for a big disappointment.
60-70m, not sure about the exact figureIt seems that Fernandes for 70m is our main target to improve our midfield and also Longstaff.
How much did Barca pay for De Jong?
I beg to differ, Frenkie has been surrounded by relatively fools upon now who don't understand his moves, he will only look better at Barcamessi.He's a really good recycler, but not a true playmaker with vision, folks that already compare him to Xavi etc. are in for a big disappointment.
I know what you mean, it's quite disheartening. Ndombele is another, if our club can't see that that's the calibre of player we need, then we're in big, big trouble.This lad’s a player. Yet we’ve got people on here clamouring for the likes of Longstaff and Ndidi. Christ.
To be fair, Busquets, Vidal and Rakitic are all past their best. Vidal's best was never really Barca standard anyway.
de Jong and Arthur are such special talents though but yeah, Valverde will probably ruin them. If they even get a game. I'm sure he'll find a way to get Sergi Roberto in ahead of them.
That's the thing, he is pretty good at helping his side dominate the possession, one of the best in that regard, but you usually can't count on him to make those last balls and incisive passes. It's not his game.Good on the ball but tame and not incisive.
It's basically blaming the player who sets up the incisive players that he is not incisive.That's the thing, he is pretty good at helping his side dominate the possession, one of the best in that regard, but you usually can't count on him to make those last balls and incisive passes. It's not his game.
Not true at all. He’s typically very incisive.Good on the ball but tame and not incisive.
Not. He only recycled the ball. A good recycler like Jorginho, Busquet although doesn't have the ability to switch play like the aforementioned.Not true at all. He’s typically very incisive.
Look, a midfield full of De Jongs would get the lionshare of possession, but it won't offer much penetration, unlike say Xavis, Iniestas or Modrics.It's basically blaming the player who sets up the incisive players that he is not incisive.
Ok then.Not. He only recycled the ball. A good recycler like Jorginho, Busquet although doesn't have the ability to switch play like the aforementioned.
May likely improve at Barca but Arthur looks the same also. Good on the ball but tame although not as defensively solid as Frenkie.
I'm not talking about their dribbling ability but recycling ability. Arthur is a good dribber also but still tame.De Jong is also a good dribbler. Jorginho isn't.
There is no such thing. Possession and passing is all about progression - choosing the right pass, or a good pass. De Jong generally makes good decisions - he is very incisive in his role.Not. He only recycled the ball. A good recycler like Jorginho, Busquet although doesn't have the ability to switch play like the aforementioned.
May likely improve at Barca but Arthur looks the same also. Good on the ball but tame although not as defensively solid as Frenkie.
65m gbp per the beeb earlier.60-70m, not sure about the exact figure
It's a lot easier to look better but it doesn't enhance vision, it just gives you more good options. May sound pedantic, but one of the most remarkable things watching Maradona live (i.e. full view of the pitch) was how he would often go for an option you didn't even know was available until a split second after he went for it. Typically a move you didn't even think the rather average recipient had in him.While I agree that he's not necessarily a playmaker of Xavi's Calibre, it's a lot easier to have vision when you're picking out the runs of Messi, Suarez, Ronaldinho, Henry and Eto'o rather than Babel and Memphis.
You cant have a midfield full of Xavis or a midfield full of iniestas. Modric a bit different as he's excelled or shown he's competent at all 3 roles, but neither here nor there. De Jong is pretty much the perfect Barca player to be the holding midfielder who is a deep lying playmaker. Excellent passing, comfortable on the ball and great under pressure, and knows how to progress it up the field brilliantly. He's not the one to be the #10 because that's just not his role to do that regularly, though he'll offer it on occasion.Look, a midfield full of De Jongs would get the lionshare of possession, but it won't offer much penetration, unlike say Xavis, Iniestas or Modrics.
That's where the comparisons are off.
take it easy champ. he signed for Barca months ago.This lad’s a player. Yet we’ve got people on here clamouring for the likes of Longstaff and Ndidi. Christ.
His passing between the lines is magnificent. He's very incisive in that sense, what he doesn't isn't is expansive like Neves.Good on the ball but tame and not incisive.
Pretty much the point. To expect a holding mid to carve open the opposition is nothing short of crazy. I've genuinely seen very few players who can do that. Even Verratti doesnt, neither does Busquets and they are the best around.It's basically blaming the player who sets up the incisive players that he is not incisive.
This is personally why I think Butt will surprise us as a potential manager in the big term one day. A manager who see's the attempts or abilities of Gomes and doesn't care about physicality may also have a better mind set towards getting good results of Rashford, Greenwood, Martial, Chong, James etc.We should be trying to develop Angel Gomes for that role albeit with a slightly more attacking slant. Some people here are obsessed with height though. Hopefully Ole isn't one of them and thinks more like Butt.
Exactly, we haven't bothered to replace Carrick. That's the type of deep midfielder we should be looking for. Also add rice to that list of destroyers with poor passing abilitiesThis lad’s a player. Yet we’ve got people on here clamouring for the likes of Longstaff and Ndidi. Christ.
You can easily tell who used to get pissed that Carrick didn't score or get assists from some of these postsIt's basically blaming the player who sets up the incisive players that he is not incisive.
Don't think we need to replace Carrick in the sense that we need a player exactly like him. If I had a choice I would choose a player like Scholes, Xavi, or Modric over a more holding player like Carrick. Though I do believe that we are missing a primary passer that Scholes and then Carrick were.Exactly, we haven't bothered to replace Carrick. That's the type of deep midfielder we should be looking for. Also add rice to that list of destroyers with poor passing abilities
I know that?take it easy champ. he signed for Barca months ago.