Hahaha yes my level of discourse- look at his post above- Pathetic
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Haha trying to equate what I said to that drivel. You have no valid points.
We can do much much better than Ole.
So what @Handré1990 said is spot on.
Those were very old rumors and it has been reported that Sancho will reject us because we are not in the champions league. He would have been the ideal signings, but I believe that deal is dead in the water. I don’t believe it is that ludicrous. If he can’t identify our most obvious weakness, then it is quite clear that he won’t be able to move us forward. Unless the likes of lingard or Chong will turn into the likes of Messi next season.
Ignore everything and repeat the same nonsense everyday.What I said made more sense than your pathetic post on why fans want to give time for Ole.
Umm ok then..! Any grown man who uses the word ‘butthurt’ has lost the argument - I’m not going to bother talking with you
"Lost the argument" and talking about grown man. Irony
All that is left is lie about some stats now and twist it.
There's been articles the Telegraph, Times, Guardian etc that say that Ole wants a more experienced right sided attacker.
You're moving the goal posts now. You said this:
My point was that (a) he did identify RW as a position of need, hence the links to Sancho, and the early links to Pepe (Lille); and (b) there have been rumors of a right attacker we are interested to sign (Sancho, and the article about how we inquired about Pepe but were turned down for a team that is in the CL next year).
What you are concerned with is actually bringing in a RW, which is very different from identifying RW as a position of weakness. It is not Ole's job to bring in players, that's Ed's job. If there had been no links to any wingers at all, I would concede that you are right in criticizing Ole for not recognizing that we need to strengthen our wing play. But based on press reports (nebulous and untruthful as they can be, it's all we have to go off of right now), we have been inquiring about RW players but have not yet been able to tempt one to sign for us. Criticizing Ole for not signing players when we have indeed been linked with potential signings and then claiming he should be sacked for not doing a job that isn't his to begin with is, in my opinion, over the top and knee-jerky. You can disagree, but you can't argue that you are not talking in circles and moving the goalposts here.
I worded that poorly. There are those who claim that ANY other Premier League manager would be a better appointment than Ole, which I disagree with. I'm aware that there are a majority of managers with a stronger CV than Ole available, but I don't think CV alone guarantees any success.
On writing off the results as easy fixtures: take away his wins vs Huddersfield and Cardiff, two very favouriable results, and United are still 3rd in a table where every team has played each other once (19 games each). If you mention luck, you should also consider the bad luck at the end of the season.
I'm aware of the bad run, but choose to stay positive as the overall results are still good. I can still see the concerns that many have over that run, and I share some of that as well. I believe in waiting for a more definite verdict next season, as I see enough potential to let Ole stay in charge.
Well, yes of course we could’ve done much better as a starting bet for our manager, I don’t think many people are arguing against it? What’s much worse, imo, is the idea a lot seem to have now that it’s a guaranteed failure.
@Rafaeldagold , yes, your level of discourse. The post he quoted was truly pathetic, like, on an epic scale. I’ve not given up yet, so in your logic I have to fall into one of those fantasy categories you threw out, no doubt feeling clever and grand denigrating all other opinions, not matching your own in the process.
@Rafaeldagold , yes, your level of discourse. The post he quoted was truly pathetic, like, on an epic scale. I’ve not given up yet, so in your logic I have to fall into one of those fantasy categories you threw out, no doubt feeling clever and grand denigrating all other opinions, not matching your own in the process.
So tell me this- Is Ole the best manager we could attract? If yes then fair enough- if no then you’ve given up on us having a better manager. Do you think we’ve played good football under him? We’ve been awful. Moyes like awful.
Genuinely curious to know as we’ve been awful with no signs of progress yet some are so so keen to stick up for him when there are no logical reasons to keep him when we could do better
My initial post should have been clarified a bit more. Everyone was aware of our interest in Sancho, so I was not oblivious to it either. What was meant by my post was that a right attacker should be our priority. I am glad you were able to understand what was meant later on and I didn’t have to clarify it for you. Simply put, identifying and bringing in a rw should be prioritized. Not £80m on Maguire or £50m on AWB. Even though, the latter is also an area of concern.
The lack of a Plan B towards Sancho is troubling because if we don’t sign a right attacker, we will go into next season with Lingard, Mata and Chong our only natural right attacking midfield. My criticism of Ole is just as he could easily come up with different names for Ed to sign and tell him these are the players I want. Yet, the only strong indication of a rw I have seen is with Sancho and that has gone quite for awhile. There is no moving goalposts here, just clarifying what I originally meant.
Understood. To be clear, we are on the same page regarding the need for right wing reinforcements. I merely took umbrage with the idea that not signing a RW player this summer should lead to Ole's sacking. Until the end of the window, when more light will hopefully be shed on our transfer strategy, I'm going to give Ole the benefit of the doubt that he had more than one name in mind for the RW spot. Bringing in transfers is a collaborative process between the scouts, the manager, and Ed - the manager shouldn't be the only one who bears responsibility if nobody is brought in. If we get reports later that Ole only wanted Sancho and was willing to wait a year for him by signing nobody in the meantime, then I would concede that your ire toward him is deserved. Until then, I'm going to wait and see (as I said, the links to Pepe were promising even if nothing came of them), and never forget that Ed also has tremendous say over who we pursue.
Why does it have to be the best manager?. We got the best available managers last time around and look how it turned out. Plus, you yourself said, its between Ole and Poch, maybe poch didnt want to leave spurs??
@bleedred is back.
I felt it was not worth it but I couldn't stand the hypocrisy of the posters claiming that we should have waited or given it to the best mangers when they themselves advocated for him earlier. A bad run and we just rewrite everything!
Yeah I know. Somehow the winning run is also rewritten and apparently we didn't play good football and didn't show anything to build for next season during that run.
We deserve the best manager we can get. Or we’re going to fall further behind.
I said between Ole & Poch at the time- now the season has ended there are many more options around the world.
I was prepared to give him a chance at the very start (as you’ve helpfully quoted me) but we have regressed so badly during his time in charge it’s honestly looking like Moyes all over again - I’m prepared to back managers if I feel they are good enough & will progress the club & best option we can go for.
Ole unfortunately is none of those things
Yes no one should ever be allowed to change their mind.
Like who? and why would they suddenly join us when the pre-season is around the corner. And even if they join how fair would it be on him to get things correct before the season starts.
But it was probably the two options back then. Would you not rather have someone who has worked with the team and can identify the flaws, than bring someone in the summer to assess the squad again to make an opinion himself.
How are you sure of that now? You yourself claimed that you see his tactical sense?. Did he just grow out of it?
You're obsessed lad, have a day off.
Its not about changing opinions. Most in here really wanted the last two appointments and later wanted them sacked. There is nothing wrong in that.
What I don't like is that people rewriting history, especially same posters, claiming that there were better options and he was useless/lucky, just like yourself,, when you said that you see a tactical sense back when we were winning and now claiming, you have seen nothing from him to convince you.
Sooner or later, you're going to be ignored by everyone on here and you'll literally be posting messages to yourself in this thread.
Well, I’ve already answered the question in the post you quoted. We diverge on all other points because you had to go and make up a scenario where everybody who dares to disagree is either this, that or the other.
Also, we played very good football for about 6 games, impossible to tell yet if it was by design or accident. You are being disingenuous on purpose. Let’s leave this charade so you can go back to thinking the future development of our club, manager and players are all on a linear path only you and the other clairvoyants are able to see.
We are in a less than ideal situation with regards to the manager, playing staff etc. I’d never argue that. However, we are in this situation. Deal with it and stop attacking people on here who disagree with your predictions. Fact is, we don’t know what will happen, not for sure, so stop pretending otherwise.
I think you may have those two sentences in reverse.
Is this some kind of joke?! Check your own posting record in this thread...'lad'!
This would be funny if it wasn't so serious!
Funny is the fact that people are calling for a manager to be sacked without even giving him one full summer transfer and one pre season.
Who are you?
Haha ok. No one takes you seriously just to let you know. You’re an Ole fan boy.
There’s many more against him being our manager than you think
Thank you for speaking on everyone's behalf.
Anyone that uses fanboy to describe someone who thinks the manager should be given a season to prove himself is on drugs.
Nope, it's just you and a handful of others but that's what hysterical people say when they want everyone to think the sky is falling in.
Why is it the law that we HAVE to give him a pre season & having a hand in our transfers? If someone isn’t good enough & we’ve got worse you don’t give them that responsibility!
Funny how everything you don't like is a joke.
Our form during his enitre time with us is demonstrably better. You are having a flap about 2 months. Now pipe down, you along with a couple.of others are killing the football forums with your agenda posting.
If you think we’ve improved under Ole then that’s your opinion- I disagree completely.
Ok let’s just have this as the Ole sycophants thread- there must be NO disagreement about this right?
What a precious place It’s become here
It's not a law, its logic. Problem is you have already decided he is a failure and want someone new (which you never bother to say who that new person should be ). You think replace the manager and everything else will sort itself out. Do you even realise our club is in a mess from top to bottom that just saacking Ole would solve nothing but create even more question marks. That's not how it works.
Ole was given a full time contract in March and he deserves at least one transfer window to bring his input. That is logic. You don't just go to a company and expect to start doing wonders. You need time to implement your ideas and then if it fails , fair enough you can be judged as a failure but not when you are asked to join the team in between of a messy season and expect to perform a miracle and then when you just fall short are just removed.
Again you would disagree but from what I see So far he is already doing the right thing by focusing on signing players who want to play for us and not just go for players for commercial purpose. These are small steps that can only bring fruit if given time. Whether he is a success or failure can only be said after he has got time to implement his ideas.
Logic is to hire the best manager we can get. Ole is not it
Again who is there? You keep on repeating the same thing without giving any solutions. WHo are those managers that will join this club and please fans like you. Considering you like to change your mind every now and then, what is the guarantee the new manager also doesn't please you. Would you ask for his head also?
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