Great post. The class of 92 had Eric Harrison and a bunch of no- nonsense pros to guide them. I genuinely wonder if the current crop of young players has anything like that around them. They clearly need it.
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Lingards tweet during the Munich ceremony.
His branding on the Manchester memorial tweet.
Launching his brand in the run up to the derby.
Pogbas 'caption this' tweet.
Not saying any of these are major events, but they certainly weren't good publicity.
The impression I have is that the clubs PR dept have very little control over SM activity.
I'm firmly in the grumpy old git camp but I think people are reading too much into all this stuff, if they link "immature" behaviour with our shitty form over the last few years. There's a generation gap between 40+ year old men and the current wave of footballers that exists across the board. At clubs winning trophies and at clubs doing badly.
Feck it, there's a disconnect that goes beyond football. Spend an hour or two immersed in the shite fashion conscious 20+ year olds post on Twitter/Insta/whatever and you'll quickly lose all faith in mankind.
What's happening here is that people are using that generation gap as a focus for their irritation at the whole MUFC shit show of the last few years. It is what it is, though. It will still be there when we're good again (if we're still alive to experience it!). Only nobody will give a shit. I just think it's funny the way so many middle aged men are busting blood vessels about Lingard's dancing goal celebrations, when we all thought it was hilarious watching Lee Sharpe throwing Elvis shapes by the corner flag.
So you guys are going to spend all summer stalking Lingard's social media account looking for things to get angry about?
The best thing people could do is go nowhere near their social media accounts, but unfortunately it gets posted on here,so people react, also I think that people follow them because some are under the illusion that they are some sort of mate, when they couldn't care less about them or their opinions, yet same fans hang on their every word. Yes Lingard is an immature idiot, but the fans behave like teenage girls gazing stary eyed at some pop idol.
Stop making sense, I know you squirmed when Giggs and Ince did their rehearsed celebration after a goal.
Maybe some of it is projection but it was easier to watch when the club was successful. Just like when you see players come off the pitch laughing with their opposite number, it's much harder to tolerate when they're dancing in the midst of a 6 year long shit-show.
Maybe they just need to be more clued up about how and when to use social media.
it is true though. He is a fashion killer!Really?
Could've fooled me..
I think a dignified silence would be the best approach. But hey, they're young. And (many) young people don't seem to be able to go more than a day or two without posting inane shit on social media. Getting annoyed by this really is about as productive as yelling at clouds, so I'm all in favour of the thread title change.
Exactly. People will tolerate a lot more if the team is playing well. When they aren't it just makes the players look like they don't care and have moved on from it, when you only have to read posts on here to realise that the fans haven't. Maybe they need to show a bit more awareness. Some seem to keep their heads down, as that is probably their personalities, some however are serious attention seekers.
Bang on. It's about control and the manager should be on top of that. When SAF joined he had to control the alcoholics and he did that by getting rid of them. But Social Media-holics are difficult to deal with I think.
Seems like a image rights situation. Dont think united has the rights to the players. Something The US franchise use to good effect
Then it is up to the club to ask him to stop. They aren't, for whatever reasons.
I know my employer would have a talk to me if I post some crazy stuff on social media which garners unwanted attention. But then I am in a regular job and not an extremely rich footballer.
By the way, I am firmly in the "Let them post whatever s**t that keeps them happy" camp.
As long as the performances on the pitch are good, don't really care what Lingard or Rashford posts or whatever they wear to a public event.
As long as the performances on the pitch are good, don't really care what Lingard or Rashford posts or whatever they wear to a public event.
Well Sir Alex did say he'd develop late..
I can see your point, but with Lingard when it is all going well he loves taunting people, well if it isn't going well and you carry on putting yourself out there, then you are likely to annoy people.
So by the time he retires he might have developed into a grown-up.
Yes. When he's 35 his mind and body will be united and Lingard will be a great player
So They aren't synchronized right now? that explains the beans. Thank you, I can finally sleep now.
That made me chuckle as well.
So They aren't synchronized right now? that explains the beans. Thank you, I can finally sleep now.
Just watched that Lingard video
, that's a lot of cringe
, that's a lot of cringeAll of this is winding up united fans cos we are shite and there seems to be a lack of awareness by the players on this. If we were winning and on top, i reckon a lot of our fans would be using the videos to piss of opposition fans.
Reality is the players can have fun. And tbh, we as fans can unfollow them. But it gives off the impression that the players care more about their image then when they put on our shirt. And the annoying thing is, there are games where it gives of they arent trying (I dont think thats the case, but it sure does seem like that especially when they are feckin up the fundamentals).
Being beaten is one thing, but being unfit or having lapses of concentration is annoying.
Reality is the players can have fun. And tbh, we as fans can unfollow them. But it gives off the impression that the players care more about their image then when they put on our shirt. And the annoying thing is, there are games where it gives of they arent trying (I dont think thats the case, but it sure does seem like that especially when they are feckin up the fundamentals).
Being beaten is one thing, but being unfit or having lapses of concentration is annoying.
Looks like football is becoming a distraction for himReally?
Could've fooled me..
I hope so. Their anger gives me joy.
Are you a sociopath?
That is even sadder than spending a summer on Jlingz insta.
They have, and in this case the fans have the right to find it ridiculous that a nothing player currently at one of the biggest clubs in the world, who's 26 and never developed, coming from a very shite season, has the attitude of a child. The criticism about JLingz and his silinesses wouldn't be there if he were compensating with good performances on the pitch, or if he were a exciting 19 years old with loads of talent like Jadon, who's already better than Lingard ever will be and show up on the pitch.
Things change though. The world, people's priorities etc. It's difficult to speak for a 21 year old with the global recognition and wages they have. I can't relate to it, so I find it difficult to have a go at them or speak on how I would act instead, I simply don't know.
It comes across a little bit like 'my great grandmother was running a household and had kids when she was 14, young people don't know how good they've got it'. Yeah, times change, social pressures and responsibilities change.
It's a strange situation in that we have so much exposure to these people but at the same time, can't relate to them in many ways at all. The money they earn, the pressures they have to perform, the social media pressure they have, the exposure and money they have....it isn't their fault or mine. So I tend to pretty much ignore whatever they do off the field, unless it is something that impacts their playing ability.
What I will say though, in their defence, is that having to deal with the abuse and stick they get is something none of us can even begin to relate to. Football fans are somewhat unique (possibly extend this to other sports) in that they think that just because they pay money to go and watch something, they are free to speak to those people however they wish. I can't imagine how it would go if someone walked into a clothing store and proceeded to shout, abuse, throw racial slurs and generally belittle the staff, tell them they're terrible at their job, they aren't worth what they are paid etc. If anyone suggests that somebody's wage makes this behaviour OK or that it should be acceptable to suffer it, then I'd suggest you are, at best, incredibly ignorant.
16 - 24 year old lads are usually prone to things like show boating, arrogance, putting themselves about etc. Add in £120k per week salary, millions of global fans who hang on your every update and go into a frenzy whenever you post what you're having for breakfast, pressures professionally to establish and grow your 'brand' and I'm surprised more players of this age aren't absolute bell ends.
Ultimately, if you don't like it, just ignore it. I have always detested social media because I think it brings out so much bad in people and I can't be bothered with it. So I have absolutely no idea what type of car Rashford drives, what he does in his spare time, what he likes or dislikes and what his external hobbies are. I really don't care. I don't see why it is necessary for me to have an opinion on his choice of restaurant or what he does with himself. If it clearly impacts how he performs on the pitch, then maybe. Even that is really subjective though and unless it is things like alcohol binges, smoking etc, I don't see that it matter much. Or why people care.
I could also see why they might want to respond to some abuse by pointing out what % they are in, when it comes to professional success. They will get daily that they are terrible at what they do. You see it on here all the time. Players like Lukaku get loads of abuse, accused of being a rubbish player, bang average at this and that, can't control a ball etc. It's obviously drivel that seems to be spouted by a large section of fans. In actual fact, he is in a tiny % of people who have even made it to his level, let alone achieve what he has. He is clearly an elite football player in the grand scheme of things but he is torn down and his talent/effort reduced to laughable levels. If it were me and I was getting this sort of abuse, I would probably point out how much more successful I was than that person or how difficult it is to do what I do. The fact people then kick off about that sort of thing is a joke. I've seen a few trolls called out in similar ways by celebrities and I think 'fair play'. We're entitled to an opinion but when some spotty, overweight bloke called Keith who works in an Eon call centre thinks he has the right to call Lukaku (for example) overweight and rubbish at his trade, I think he deserves to have it pointed out that he's an utter cretin who hasn't achieved even a fraction of what Lukaku has with his life.
I might not agree with it all but that's a good post.
Well said, sums it up.
What people - whether they're grumpy old gits or younger folk claiming not to be grumpy (just reacting to "cringe" behaviour") - react to here is a red herring if we're trying to identify what's wrong with United. It has nothing to do with it. Footballers being clowns/twats/bellends/whatever is nothing new. It's just a new wrapping for a product we've known since the days of...insert whatever clown or bellend you like.
And bringing back Keano to beat them senseless, as lovely a prospect as it may seem, obviously won't work.
Sensible post but i dont agree with the last part. Keith wasnt born with Romelu Lukaku his talent so that comparison is unfair.
If you look at Lukaku his last season.. some moments his ball control was worse than what you see on the lowest level of amateur football. Him standing and pointing, not attacking a ball and looking tired after 30 minutes of football. I think that overweight Keith from the Eon call centre is allowed to critise Lukaku in a normal non abusive way.
It isnt poor overweight Keith from the Eon Callcentre his fault that he wasnt born with Lukaku his talent. If he had Lukaku his talent Keith might have even achieved more by for example practice and perfect his first touch.
I'm interested - does anyone view that clip and not think, "what a pair of utter twats"?
I'm a good chunk older than both, but I have pals their age, and they wouldn't do anything as ridiculous, so it's not just an age thing.
And what the bloody hell are they wearing.
Rashford looks and acts like he's Lingard's little shadow. Not a great guy to copy in any way.
If you film yourself acting like an idiot, and put it out into social media where millions are going to see it, chances are you'll be called out for idiocy.
Especially when you're part of a massively underperforming team.
This has always gone on. Fans don't want to see their players out larging it after a defeat for instance.
Imagine that sinking feeling, if we put 100m into Sancho, and then he joins these two clowns for such nonsense
Their "guidance" comes from the likes of Smalling, Jones and Young - the longest serving players, who most fans seem to think are toilet.
I don't think this is a Utd thing or a football thing as much as a generational disconnect. We have extended adolescence far beyond its usefulness, and social media allows us to wallow in hideous displays of narcissism.
It's not a geneational thing. I am 27 and I don't know anyone that behaves this way.
Are there similar videos of players from other clubs & leagues carrying on like this?
If its just a generational thing surely every club has a couple of players at least doing this shit?
Great post, I'm in the same age bracket. You could say I've lost the love and passion I had for the club, because there's few people in it that I identify with.
Sport is supposed to be aspirational, you look up at these athletes in awe of their achievement, ability, flair, grit, work-rate etc. There was something amazing about the Busby babes and Sir Matt re-building the club off the ashes of Munich, there was inspirational about Sir Bobby defying the odds to survive the air disaster and become a European Champion just ten years later. That's the stuff of legends, that's something even someone that knows nothing about Man Utd or soccer can understand and appreciate.
The 99 team was also the stuff of legends, with their never say die attitude, the umpteenth comebacks, the boys that grew up in the youth teams that team was also awesome in its own way.
The current crop? Not so much. This squad is painfully mediocre, assembled by an imbecile CEO. There's so little to relate other than the faint memory of what Man United used to be and used to represent.
I am twenty eight and likewise, I don’t know anyone that does stuff like that. He reminds me of an annoying kid from school if anything.