That's my point though. It's got nothing to do with nazis, or at least shouldn't. By even bringing them up CK has let them take that flag.
Im sure I saw they were already sent out to stores. Nike has asked for them to be returned, so Im sure youll be able to grab a pair or two on ebay soon for few million bucksThat's my point though. It's got nothing to do with nazis, or at least shouldn't. By even bringing them up CK has let them take that flag.
I like the design on the shoes so if they've already made them I'll take a pair; size 11 please and another pair size 11, extra wide, for my son
.Problem is thought it does despite whether or not you think it should. I agree though it shouldn't be either but but clearly Kaepernick sees it as a fact and he comes from a different background to me on this subject so I'm trying to see his point of view. That's why I think it merits a debate here and it's not your typical standard PC gone mad.That's my point though. It's got nothing to do with nazis, or at least shouldn't. By even bringing them up CK has let them take that flag.
I like the design on the shoes so if they've already made them I'll take a pair; size 11 please and another pair size 11, extra wide, for my son
Its essentially the swasitka argument. It didnt mean nazi before, and to a lot of people it still doesnt, but you see one, you think nazi. So if youve seen the betsy in you life next to a burning cross and hooded gentlemen with rather pernicious intentions, its not unreasonable to have an issue with it being celebrated.
For the debate: Does it have more or less connection to the Nazis than Bayer aspirin, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, etc.?
That’s the KKK and they used the Confederate battle flag.
I was under the impression they used both, and that was the connection?
More probably, given those are much bigger brand names so the associations have gone past the Nazis.
Dammit they did use it last year. fecking assholes.
I think it's more about the German American Bund, although there are some unfortunate connections with America First as well.
Oh. Well, in that case that flag is definitely lost. It's a bit like tattoos of Norse symbols in Norway. If you have one, there's a 50% chance you're a Nazi. Nazis and the far-right love playing on old symbolism.
The Betsy Ross flag “brand” is the founding of the United States of America and its War of Independence.
Not buying it. They used it on fliers distributed in NYC last year.
what are you going to do about it
What are you going to do about it?
nothing. i dont care about the flag or betsy ross
Good. Then don’t ask questions you don’t want an answer to.
I do want an answer. You said you werent going to sit around and let them subvert Betsy Ross so I'm curious what you are going to do about it.
I mean... what ever happened to fighting against shitheads like the KKK and Nazis?
You don’t care about it, so I’ll not oblige.
you probably arent going to do anything after all.
You’ll never know, will you?
feck off Eboue.
the betsy ross defender has logged on
I don't care about betsy ross and her slave labouroh okay then welcome to the team
Fair enough, still the flag has a bigger connection to the Nazis as the present day goes.
I seriously doubt that.
Imagine Nike would sue the heck out of them. Maybe Betsy Ross fans should sue the American Nazi Party, though as a former slave owner, some might feel some kinship towards the Nazis.
I didnt even know she was a slave owner. That's great. A prominent part of her wikipedia page is that she convinced George Washington (also a slave owner) to change the star from 6 points to 5.I’m pretty sure you’re talking about Mary Pickersgill and the Star Spangled Banner that flew over Fort McHenry in the War of 1812.
To be honest I may have misread Ross a slave owner. Same as @utdalltheway I thought she had used slave labour to make the flag and so assumed she had. Hold my hands up to that one.
It would definitely surprise me about Ross. I could be wrong, but I’ve never read it before, and she was a Quaker.
