Young British ex players all into their early years as managers. With Lampard now the Chelsea manager, England women knocked out and the season over for Gerrard how do you assess them as managers. Who will prove to be the best manager. It seems they all have performed as best as they can in their management roles.
Giggs vs Gerrard vs Lampard vs P Neville as managers
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Hard to compare them, Lampard has taken the big step as the expectations will be huge and landed one of the biggest jobs. For all we know, other 3 might not even get a PL job.
Frank is the most intelligent (he has an A in Latin) so I can see him turning out to be the best, however, I don't think he's the next Zidane or Pep. Stevie's problem is ego and his constant scowl, I think he'll find many of the same problems Mourinho had. Giggs I think will just imitate Fergie as much as possible but doesn't have the charisma, charm or man management skills to be effective. Neville I don't think can handle big personalities.
Guess we'll have to wait and see. So far Lampard, Gerrard and Neville are doing quite well. Giggs is struggling with Wales. Lampard seems the most managerial, if that makes sense.
Good luck to them all.
Although it must frustrate other league managers doing good jobs at respective clubs that these guys just seem to walk into roles.
Lampard didn’t improve Derby. They are constantly in and around play offs.
Gerrard has opted for Rangers who were always going to climb back towards the top in a weak league. A great 1st move for him to learn the ropes
Giggs hasn’t done anything with Wales
Neville perhaps the best of the lot with his World Cup semi
Although it must frustrate other league managers doing good jobs at respective clubs that these guys just seem to walk into roles.
Lampard didn’t improve Derby. They are constantly in and around play offs.
Gerrard has opted for Rangers who were always going to climb back towards the top in a weak league. A great 1st move for him to learn the ropes
Giggs hasn’t done anything with Wales
Neville perhaps the best of the lot with his World Cup semi
Lampard can be the most successful if he has good tactical ideas and style. Has all the remaining qualities for a good manager.
Giggs is a very bland character all honestly and I expect him to have an underwhelming career like Huges or Bruce.
Don't think highly of Gerrard and Neville.
Giggs is a very bland character all honestly and I expect him to have an underwhelming career like Huges or Bruce.
Don't think highly of Gerrard and Neville.
Giggs is the most intelligent (succeeded in keeping an affair with his brother's wife secret for 8 years) so I can see him turning out to be best in the transfer market.
Yeah, I think with the caveat that it's based more on a feeling and a hunch than anything concrete I can see Lampard being the best manager of those lot.
I must say I'm quite enjoying seeing this generation of players going into management. I grew up watching them become some of the best (not Neville) and most decorated (not Gerrard) in the English game so to see them all taking their next steps in football is exciting.
Gerrard is the most intelligent (knows you need Phil Collins to have a good time out on the town), so I can picture him creating a good team atmosphere that propels his side to the level required to win major trophies.
Woah... Think twice
I bloody well hope not. Those problems have won him trophies everywhere he's been.
If you look at the Pep's and Zidane's they all have a lot of charisma as well as being ruthless and very well schooled in specific styles of football. They also took a 90% finished product and applied the final touches. I don't see Neville, Gerrard or Giggs having the required personalities. I think Lampard has the best chance but i'm not sure he will be ruthless enough and he's taking over a mess of a team.
I think Lampard has the best qualities to be a good manager. I think he'll do well at Chelsea, but we have to see how well he's going to be backed.
An A in Latin
He’ll get a much better treatment by fans and the media than Sarri did. That’s for certain.
And the higher-ups need to realise this season is near enough a free shot; transfer ban, losing Hazard and the team is a bit of a mess.
Think Lampard is potentially the only one who has the qualities to do very well. Giggs doesn't at all. The other two could be decent enough.
They're all in difficult jobs if you ask me.
Lampard is coming into Chelsea who've just lost Hazard and have a transfer ban.
Gerrard is at Rangers where to become a true success he has to somehow overtake Celtic. Very unlikely for any manager. Anything less than at least 2nd in the league and he'd be crucified.
Neville has the same problem with England women. To be a true success he had to beat US who've lost 1 game in 44 matches. Anything less is consider normal performance.
Giggs is expected to follow Coleman's success with Wales with an ageing Bale who doesn't seem as though he can drag Wales to the unlikely victories anymore. The 2016 Euros were likely a one-off but that's what people are going to expect from him to judge him a success.
Lampard is coming into Chelsea who've just lost Hazard and have a transfer ban.
Gerrard is at Rangers where to become a true success he has to somehow overtake Celtic. Very unlikely for any manager. Anything less than at least 2nd in the league and he'd be crucified.
Neville has the same problem with England women. To be a true success he had to beat US who've lost 1 game in 44 matches. Anything less is consider normal performance.
Giggs is expected to follow Coleman's success with Wales with an ageing Bale who doesn't seem as though he can drag Wales to the unlikely victories anymore. The 2016 Euros were likely a one-off but that's what people are going to expect from him to judge him a success.
I'm imagining Lampard using his lating knowledge and quoting some inspiring roman quotes to the press like Vitam Impendere Vero or after a good exibition Ars Longa, Vita Brevis.
Best mention Sol Campbell too otherwise he might be upset again
Where's Ole?
Management is all about personality and a massive dollop of luck.
Giggs has no personality and so will do nothing. Gerard and Lampard are strong communicators and legends in their respective clubs in a way that Giggs, quite frankly, is not. I don’t even know why P. Neville is mentioned in this thread.
Giggs has no personality and so will do nothing. Gerard and Lampard are strong communicators and legends in their respective clubs in a way that Giggs, quite frankly, is not. I don’t even know why P. Neville is mentioned in this thread.
My perception was that Gerrard had done the best job thus far but when I look into it he didn't really do that much better than whoever was managing Rangers the year before so I'd probably put him and Lampard level at the moment
Phil Neville has always come across and idiot with his punditry and Giggs, nah not seeing a good manager there
Phil Neville has always come across and idiot with his punditry and Giggs, nah not seeing a good manager there
Woah seriously?
What the hell? Is that the same Gerrard that has zero Premier League medals. You know...Slippy G
None of them have done anything near outstanding. I think all have just done an okay job.
Lampard did what was expected/slight success and get into the playoffs.
Gerrard finished 2nd, a reasonable distance behind Celtic and never really looking like troubling them, when when it was only a few points in it at one point. Flattered to deceive in Europe as well, were very fortunate with some results and didn’t have the balls to go for a win v Moscow which would have made it 10x easier to qualify in the final game.
Neville took over an England side that finished 3rd last World Cup and made the semis this year. Samson’s achievement was better given the strength of the sides available for sure. With the run that they had anything short of the semis would have been disappointing.
Did well to win the SheBelives cup but Japan sent their C team and USA were pre season so it’s not overly impressive.
Not watched much of Wales under Giggs.
Lampard did what was expected/slight success and get into the playoffs.
Gerrard finished 2nd, a reasonable distance behind Celtic and never really looking like troubling them, when when it was only a few points in it at one point. Flattered to deceive in Europe as well, were very fortunate with some results and didn’t have the balls to go for a win v Moscow which would have made it 10x easier to qualify in the final game.
Neville took over an England side that finished 3rd last World Cup and made the semis this year. Samson’s achievement was better given the strength of the sides available for sure. With the run that they had anything short of the semis would have been disappointing.
Did well to win the SheBelives cup but Japan sent their C team and USA were pre season so it’s not overly impressive.
Not watched much of Wales under Giggs.
I got an A* in Latin. I should be Chelsea manager!
All done better than Ole in his first season .
Fcuking hell. Giggs and Neville in that conversation. Might as well throw my name in as I once coached a struggling under 12’s side into league winners before they all turned 14.
I literally have more managerial success than Phil fcuking Neville.
I literally have more managerial success than Phil fcuking Neville.
My money will always be on the guy with an A in Latin
First year in the job, 8 more points (probably would have been more if not for disciplinary issues/lots of red cards etc), and a far bigger swing in goal difference. Not sure how that statement is really accurate..
I did Latin in first year. Maybe I could get a job in League Two?
Yeah. I heard Phil got a B in Latin so he should be alright
A in Latin reminds me of Only fools and horses where Rodney is portrayed as the clever one for getting a GCE in maths and art.
You literally don’t.
He’s done what was expected, maybe slightly less given they didn’t do well in the domestic cups. He spent a decent amount of money in summer. He actually spent 10 million as well as big wages for 3 free signings. If anything the league run was a disappointment given the outlay. He was backed heavier than any manager they’ve had since the reform. He’s also probably to blame for the red cards. Morelos record prior to Gerrard was fine in terms of reds, he definitely wants him to play on the edge.
The Chelsea team is a "mess" yet they still finished above Spurs, Utd, Arsenal and won a european trophy. It's a far from great Chelsea team, but it's one that knows how to dig in and win trophies.
I would say Frank has the highest ceiling but this is not the most competitive four runner race you'll ever see.
Giggs - seems to lack charisma and perhaps intelligence. I'm not even sure he will want to continue in management once he is inevitably sacked by Wales.
Gerrard - done a middle of the road job at Rangers and as mentioned comes across as a bit abrasive and very quick to throw players under the bus, maybe would have made a good manager 20 years ago but could see him struggling with top level players.
Neville - i'm not qualified to speak with any authority on the women's game but has he done anywhere near as good a job as he is given credit for? The biggest difference seems to be under him they pass the ball on the ground which i'm sure the players enjoy more but no doubt any improvement there has been can also be attributed to just a general improvement in players in general over the last few years?
Giggs - seems to lack charisma and perhaps intelligence. I'm not even sure he will want to continue in management once he is inevitably sacked by Wales.
Gerrard - done a middle of the road job at Rangers and as mentioned comes across as a bit abrasive and very quick to throw players under the bus, maybe would have made a good manager 20 years ago but could see him struggling with top level players.
Neville - i'm not qualified to speak with any authority on the women's game but has he done anywhere near as good a job as he is given credit for? The biggest difference seems to be under him they pass the ball on the ground which i'm sure the players enjoy more but no doubt any improvement there has been can also be attributed to just a general improvement in players in general over the last few years?
Not really, no.
Derby got more or less the same results in The Championship before and after Lampard.
Rangers got more or less the same results in Sottish premier league before and after Gerrard.
Neville jr got more or less the same results with England women as his predecessor. (He has been assistant coach at United, but wasn’t rehired).
Wales got much better results before Giggs (he did get 2-1-1 as Intermediate United manager, but not enough to get the permanent job).
United did better in the English Premier League after Solskjær came than before. (I won’t mention his two leagues, one cup and club record Europa runs with a Norwegian team, because obviously that is not a serious league compared to The Championship and The Scottish Premier League.)
Lampard is definitely more intelligent than Giggs.