But that's the point. World class has to have an elite meaning/level not just anyone who was pretty good. It's reserved for the best of their time. Winning European cups and league titles does not mean you as an individual were world class. Henderson is not world class. Neither is Kyle Walker but they have multiple titles. If the gap between you and the very best in your position is too big, you ain't world class.
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I think we have a different definition for 'world class' it seems. You seem to be very demanding in yours it seems. But I do appreciate your definition for sure.
This lad looks like Rooney in this compilation. Must buy
That's probably the disconnect. None of us bothered to explain how we each defined WC and just assumed it was the same
so we'd just go around for ever because we are perhaps both correct in our own personal definitionsUncannily like Carrick in those clips.
That's true..That's probably the disconnect. None of us bothered to explain how we each defined WC and just assumed it was the same
Yeah you can only be judged on talent after 38 PL games sadlyHe really can spray it around with both feet can't he. But he hasn't played enough games so I guess he's not good enough
Same here. If Solskjaer and the coaches sees something in him, buy him.
Inter paid for Barella €12m, with another €25m obligation to buy, with added bonuses taking it up to €50m.
Imagine if we pay more for Longstaff when Barella was cheaper.
Imagine if we pay more for Longstaff when Barella was cheaper.
How can one person be so miserable? You've taken aim at Ole, Carrick, Longstaff and now Rooney. Just give it a rest with the negativity ffs. I'm sticking you on ignore so dont bother responding.
He has not played only 9 first team games. Get some knowledge before spouting the sheep mentality blurb.
Plus in addition United do not value him at 50 million, so will not pay 50 million.
Imagine Longstaff turns out to be top quality. We need to rebuild with players that can grow. Maybe he is that player
Maybe Berella is
Barella would never be sold to us for that price.
To be fair the clip shows exactly what his strenghts are: a great passing range and powerful shots. Quality Youtube clips are not a bad introduction tool to know a player, just have to take them with a pinch of salt.
50m euros? Or 32 + 18. I think we could have signed him for a similar fee
You are too emotional and highly strung. Why is this taking aim at Rooney? Are you suggesting the idea that this clip shows a player of low quality? This should be a privilege
That's my point entirely. People are getting gassed about Longsquets' YouTube compilation when Jonjo's is clearly better but no one wants poor Jonjo
.The fact the compilation came for such a small number of games - in a terrible team - emphasises how good a player he already is, and potentially can become.He really can spray it around with both feet can't he. But he hasn't played enough games so I guess he's not good enough
If he has 5 passing options ahead of him at the base of midfield in a 4-3-3, rather than Newcastle’s low block 5-4-1, then he’ll be able to showcase his entire passing range spectacularly.
Carrick was very good, but at times peripheral; I think Longstaff can be more catalystic - there’s seemingly a little bit more intensity about his game. Declan Rice looks primitive in comparison, and I’d back Longstaff to England’s #6 for a very long time.
Well from that youtube video I can categorically state that he's like Carrick with a bit of aggression and therefore we should break the bank for him. Possibly.
That whole east London lurch vibe is very frightening.That's my point entirely. People are getting gassed about Longsquets' YouTube compilation when Jonjo's is clearly better but no one wants poor Jonjo
How do we define World Class?That's probably the disconnect. None of us bothered to explain how we each defined WC and just assumed it was the same
I normally think if a player is in the top three in his position in the world then he is world class but we all know some years are better than others.
And he’s a Brazil international.
I am not gonna comment on the price of Longstaff, but I believe he could be something special for one reason. Sure we can argue that OGS is not a world class manager - I agree, that is something he needs to prove. But - OGS has spent almost his entire adult career playing with world-class players. Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Veron, Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, Rooney - he has coached young players like Lingard, Will and Michael Keane, Pogba, Ravel Morrison.
So he has seen his share of talent - and if he feels a guy with 9 matches for Newcastle is good enough for United, there must be something special about the guy. So I hope we get him.
So he has seen his share of talent - and if he feels a guy with 9 matches for Newcastle is good enough for United, there must be something special about the guy. So I hope we get him.
Will be embarrassing if we can’t yank him off of Newcastle by twisting their arms. Scorched earth tactics to get us where we need to be.
Assuming youre of a certain age that you realise the club was run correctly by football men when those players were signed...for reasonable fees I might add.
Also your insinuating here that this Longstaff Chap is in the same bracket as those past players?? Go back to bed mate.
Schneiderlin was a proven EPL whose signing was given the go ahead of everyone on the fora including those who often disagreed with one another (ex Pogue and myself). That's how good he was at Southampton. God only knows what happened after that. Longstaff is nowhere near to that level yet.
Some amazing rating of longstaff from some after a mere 9 games!
That 50m tag seemed a parody at first but now it seems its serious we have to disappear away sharpish.
That 50m tag seemed a parody at first but now it seems its serious we have to disappear away sharpish.
He’s played over 70 first team games and United aren’t paying anywhere near 50 million for him.
Try sticking to facts over recycling the same blurb.
Not gonna lie. Schnerderlin was a beast at Southampton under Poch and they outplayed us twice the year we won the league. To even mention Longsquets in the same breath is pure hype. Everyone was elated when we signed the Frenchman because he was legit.
It's mainly the YouTube compilation pal.
Newcastle are asking for this so it is more the shock that this is the asking value when earlier in this thread we have seen a list of better and more proven CM who went for similar. De Jong didn't cost much more than 50 million
What’s with these crazy valuations? Newcastle can’t seriously be thinking he’s worth that kind of money at present time. I guess they think that if he has a good season he’ll probably be worth up towards 50 million next summer. That’s probably what United are thinking as well - sign him before he makes a mark on the Premier League.
If Longstaff doesn’t push for this to happen, then my bet is that it won’t. I don’t think he will either. Staying at Newcastle for another season isn’t a bad thing for him, and not a bad thing for Newcastle either. I assume United would rather not pay around 50 millions this summer and instead wait and see how he preforms and then come back in a year - if the interest is still there.
If Longstaff doesn’t push for this to happen, then my bet is that it won’t. I don’t think he will either. Staying at Newcastle for another season isn’t a bad thing for him, and not a bad thing for Newcastle either. I assume United would rather not pay around 50 millions this summer and instead wait and see how he preforms and then come back in a year - if the interest is still there.
Woodward just can't get it done in time can he? Already missed the preseason flight, now his incapability of getting deals over the line will make sure we start the season with majority of our signings not ready to start, including this which should be a fairly simple deal to get over the line.
I thought Carrick has been playing at world class level for a brief period (a season or 2) after Scholes is retiring and when he became the main man. I think it was during 2012-2013? I never rated him highly before, I thought he was always living under the shadow of Scholes during their partnership, and Lampard/Gerrard were always the better midfielder in England. But that period of time he really impressed me alot, bossing the midfield like never before. I wouldn't swap any midfielder in the world for him during that period, honestly.
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That's what happens when we only consider players from the local pond. It's time we broaden our horizons to other leagues as well
The amount of appearances beside his name has zero relevance. He's either a good player or he isn't.
I'm talking about his numbers when he was the same age.Maybe he did to you, he sure as hell didn't to me.
Playing more games, performing better.
Oh sorry, 9 premier league games, the rest in Scotland and League 1, still not international football or champions league?
All o said was why were other posters comparing the two transfers? I didnt say what Newcastle or Man United value him at.
Check your attitude before you sling it around.
Dont say much about potential at all. Not only because Longstaff have too few minutes making his stats non-representative, but also because how you perform at a certain age is irrelevant to potential. But it is the lazy football fan logic that we see more and more online.I'm talking about his numbers when he was the same age.
Playing more games, performing better.
Who became the best player, Phil Jones or van Dijk? Ruud van Nistelrooy or Patrick Kluivert? Djibril Cisse or Didier Drogba?
What's his potential like?
Exactly! It might be the case that he doesn't succeed at United, but we should definitely give him a second season to try and prove himself.
That's where the scouting and transfer strategy comes in..... which seems to be absent from the business.
It's depressing
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