Older generations get called out on sexism and racism, wonder what us 40-somethings will be pilloried for in 10 years' time? @Pogue Mahone
This thread.Older generations get called out on sexism and racism, wonder what us 40-somethings will be pilloried for in 10 years' time? @Pogue Mahone
Have to admit, I’m with you on this one. The idea that actual genitalia should be perceived as not necessarily one sex or the other is absolutely fecking bonkers.Yeah clearly the guy is dangerous and psychotic and best ignored/locked up.
The real stories are that this obviously vexatious let alone misogynistic legal claim is actually being allowed to go to court, which is shameful. And also the numerous trans women posting in support of him with comments like "we all have to do stuff at work we don't enjoy". As if that is a good counter to all the evil TERF beauticians who don't want to touch male genitalia in their jobs, despite apparently having absolutely no right to avoid it.
And the blackface one.This thread.
In shocking news, Katie Hopkins admits that she's Katie Hopkins for money:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/18/katie-hopkins-jon-ronson-interview
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I refuse to believe that she is that stupid and detached from reality.She adds that the word “cockroach” was actually intended as a kind of compliment: “The picture in my mind was these resilient creatures. But then people layered on those historical references… Argh! So of course we recognise those aren’t great words.”
Probably got a lot to do with him being a bit of an insufferable twat himself.I don’t get why he can’t just ignore those insufferable twats.
This is true. I don't get why he highlights the 4 people offended by what he's done, then paints himself as some kind of 'free speech Henry the fifth' for standing up to them.Probably got a lot to do with him being a bit of an insufferable twat himself.
If someone is calling out right wing twats, he's praise worthy. But if he's calling left wing twats then grrrr... insufferable twat.This is true. I don't get why he highlights the 4 people offended by what he's done, then paints himself as some kind of 'free speech Henry the fifth' for standing up to them.
He’s a bit of a twat anyway tbf, I’m not even getting political. I say that as a fan.If someone is calling out right wing twats, he's praise worthy. But if he's calling left wing twats then grrrr... insufferable twat.
Actually this is more of a left vs left bunfight. With right wing commentators gleefully doing the sort of virtue signalling they pour scorn on when it’s done by anyone on the left.If someone is calling out right wing twats, he's praise worthy. But if he's calling left wing twats then grrrr... insufferable twat.
My friends and I keep asking ourselves this. My answer is basically having female athletes wear glorified bikinis when the compete. Why do they have to be a two-piece? And, having been a gymnast myself, the leotards the girls wear from early ages with skin coloured areas mimicking nudity are just so uncalled for. There was once a front cover of the British Gymnastics Association magazine that had clear pubic hear visible! Cycling shorts would have no impact on performance just like a full ‘singlet’ and shorts wouldn’t affect an athlete’s performance.Older generations get called out on sexism and racism, wonder what us 40-somethings will be pilloried for in 10 years' time? @Pogue Mahone
I know that, but the point I was making is that both in this forum and generally out there (i.e. twitter-sphere, msm etc.) when someone picks on right wing nutters they're usually lauded or at worst ignored as yet another simply normal person. Which is good, obviously. But when someone picks on the far left, it seems to be accompanied with statements indicating that he probably shouldn't. It seems that because opinions coming out of the far left are from historically oppressed groups of people, there's a hesitation from people in the middle ground to vocally criticise and mock these opinions when they deserve it.Actually this is more of a left vs left bunfight. With right wing commentators gleefully doing the sort of virtue signalling they pour scorn on when it’s done by anyone on the left.
Gervais has a history of making a mountain out of a molehill though. He sits on twitter and engages people who find his jokes offensive. They're as bad as eachother.I know that, but the point I was making is that both in this forum and generally out there (i.e. twitter-sphere, msm etc.) when someone picks on right wing nutters they're usually lauded or at worst ignored as yet another simply normal person. Which is good, obviously. But when someone picks on the far left, it seems to be accompanied with statements indicating that he probably shouldn't. It seems that because opinions coming out of the far left are from historically oppressed groups of people, there's a hesitation from people in the middle ground to vocally criticise and mock these opinions when they deserve it.
Gervais might be to some an insufferable twat regardless of politics, but somehow that opinion doesn't seem to be voiced after he's taken his 100th swipe at Trump per se. And I can understand the whole "punch up, not down" kind of thing, especially with right-wing twats in power. But still....
That's my impression anyway.
This will definitely be one of them. There was a spotlight on this in Norway during the summer, because of pictures like this:My friends and I keep asking ourselves this. My answer is basically having female athletes wear glorified bikinis when the compete. Why do they have to be a two-piece? And, having been a gymnast myself, the leotards the girls wear from early ages with skin coloured areas mimicking nudity are just so uncalled for. There was once a front cover of the British Gymnastics Association magazine that had clear pubic hear visible! Cycling shorts would have no impact on performance just like a full ‘singlet’ and shorts wouldn’t affect an athlete’s performance.
They will. Maybe.This will definitely be one of them. There was a spotlight on this in Norway during the summer, because of pictures like this:
In the future, people will look at that picture and wonder what the hell we were thinking.
Those are nice tank-tops, I agree. Although I think their shorts could be a little shorter.They will. Maybe.
Still, the only reason I’d watch women’s beach volleyball is for those outfits.
Was that out loud?
Crikey! A semi-sensible post. As someone who stands firmly in the middle ground I look around in amazement at how stupidly entrenched the left and right are in their rabid sense of self justification and their ridiculous, and often, misguided attacks on each other.I know that, but the point I was making is that both in this forum and generally out there (i.e. twitter-sphere, msm etc.) when someone picks on right wing nutters they're usually lauded or at worst ignored as yet another simply normal person. Which is good, obviously. But when someone picks on the far left, it seems to be accompanied with statements indicating that he probably shouldn't. It seems that because opinions coming out of the far left are from historically oppressed groups of people, there's a hesitation from people in the middle ground to vocally criticise and mock these opinions when they deserve it.
Gervais might be to some an insufferable twat regardless of politics, but somehow that opinion doesn't seem to be voiced after he's taken his 100th swipe at Trump per se. And I can understand the whole "punch up, not down" kind of thing, especially with right-wing twats in power. But still....
That's my impression anyway.
What the actual feck?Crikey! A semi-sensible post. As someone who stands firmly in the middle ground I look around in amazement at how stupidly entrenched the left and right are in their rabid sense of self justification and their ridiculous, and often, misguided attacks on each other.
The centre is a lonely place right now, and I find myself almost politically homeless.
My two points of observation:
There are no indications at this point that Boris will do any worse a job than anyone else in any party, it's all totally subjective at the moment. Boris is no more flawed an individual than Corbyn.
- Not all people who sit on the right are nasty racists.
- The extreme left are a more aggressive and abusive bunch of bullies than the right.
Surely in these days of social change a true centrist party is exactly what is needed? Everyone, left and right have to concede some ground otherwise we'll split open as a nation.
It’s like he suddenly forgot what thread he was posting in.What the actual feck?
Just the way I see it Pogue Mahone. I'm trying to be totally objective about it. I'm no fan of Boris but nor am I a fan of Corbyn or McDonnell. Nobody knows how Boris will do at this point. You certainly don't. He may be a disaster but he may not. Only time will tell.What the actual feck?
Maybe.It’s like he suddenly forgot what thread he was posting in.
Yep! Sorry, muddled with the westminster threadIt’s like he suddenly forgot what thread he was posting in.
You don't need to know much about Johnson to know what a terrible appointment he is. I've got a stack of cv's on my desk from job applicants at the place I work. If any of them had "fired twice, for lying" in their employment history then they would be going in the shredder, pronto.Just the way I see it Pogue Mahone. I'm trying to be totally objective about it. I'm no fan of Boris but nor am I a fan of Corbyn or McDonnell. Nobody knows how Boris will do at this point. You certainly don't. He may be a disaster but he may not. Only time will tell.
That sounds eerily similar to what people said about Drumpf when he was elected.Just the way I see it Pogue Mahone. I'm trying to be totally objective about it. I'm no fan of Boris but nor am I a fan of Corbyn or McDonnell. Nobody knows how Boris will do at this point. You certainly don't. He may be a disaster but he may not. Only time will tell.
I agree 100% but lying is something I would willingly accuse most of the politicians sitting near the top of their parties. Anyway, sorry I didn't mean to pull this thread off course.You don't need to know much about Johnson to know what a terrible appointment he is. I've got a stack of cv's on my desk from job applicants at the place I work. If any of them had "fired twice, for lying" in their employment history then they would be going in the shredder, pronto.
Nope. I'm no Trump fan either. I'm just someone who looks at politicians on the left and right, comedians on the left and right and any other person slinging mud from either position and wonder what they're actually doing to better the situation.That sounds eerily similar to what people said about Drumpf when he was elected.
A centrist is someone who stands for nothing but pontificates that "we need to find some common ground" which is the quintessential empty catchphrase.Crikey! A semi-sensible post. As someone who stands firmly in the middle ground I look around in amazement at how stupidly entrenched the left and right are in their rabid sense of self justification and their ridiculous, and often, misguided attacks on each other.
The centre is a lonely place right now, and I find myself almost politically homeless.
My two points of observation:
There are no indications at this point that Boris will do any worse a job than anyone else in any party, it's all totally subjective at the moment. Boris is no more flawed an individual than Corbyn.
- Not all people who sit on the right are nasty racists.
- The extreme left are a more aggressive and abusive bunch of bullies than the right.
Surely in these days of social change a true centrist party is exactly what is needed? Everyone, left and right have to concede some ground otherwise we'll split open as a nation.
Sorry Siorac, I don't agree. I feel like I stand for plenty and I like to think centrists are actually realists who understand the need for compromise. The world is a complicated place and one single vision (left or right) will not work for everyone. We are in a serious 'Thought Police' age where both sides are trying to bend the will of the other to match it's own instead of trying to forge a path that works in some semblance for both.A centrist is someone who stands for nothing but pontificates that "we need to find some common ground" which is the quintessential empty catchphrase.
Just the way I see it. From my point of view the far left are no better in some respects than the far right. Totally intolerant and aggressive.And the bolded is just straight up nonsense.
The far right are worse because they pose a legitimate terrorist threat, in the UK at least. There's no real left equivalent to that. They certainly can be bloody irritating though.Just the way I see it. From my point of view the far left are no better in some respects than the far right. Totally intolerant and aggressive.
Indeed. And when people get overzealous and aggressive, I tend to be more forgiving of the ones doing it on behalf of marginalised groups, rather than those doing it against them.A centrist is someone who stands for nothing but pontificates that "we need to find some common ground" which is the quintessential empty catchphrase.
And the bolded is just straight up nonsense.
The left's intolerance is largely directed towards those that are intolerant towards others. And as Karl Popper argued, intolerance of intolerance is necessary if you want a tolerant society.Just the way I see it. From my point of view the far left are no better in some respects than the far right. Totally intolerant and aggressive.
This. Exactly this. The far right is outraged because disgusting poor, gay and brown people can walk down the same street as them. The far left is outraged that the far right can be such ridiculous hateful ignorant fecking bigots.The left's intolerance is largely directed towards those that are intolerant towards others. And as Karl Popper argued, intolerance of intolerance is necessary if you want a tolerant society.
Yeah, what has ever been achieved in politics by trying to find some common ground between opposing viewpoints?A centrist is someone who stands for nothing but pontificates that "we need to find some common ground" which is the quintessential empty catchphrase.
And the bolded is just straight up nonsense.