It's ok, they could always replace Idris with a white mermaid.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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This is Elba's Twitter profile pic (posted only this March).
He's got good genes. If you put him on a training program, I reckon he could easily be bond for 14 years. Tom Cruise is currently 57, by way of example. All it takes is a good diet, regular excercise and thorough thetan cleansing.
He's got good genes. If you put him on a training program, I reckon he could easily be bond for 14 years. Tom Cruise is currently 57, by way of example. All it takes is a good diet, regular excercise and thorough thetan cleansing.
Yep gotta cleanse those thetans...
How did I end up in the James Bond thread?
As a fan of the Ian Fleming novels when I was a kid in the 1980s and the movies the only characteristic of James Bond that I inferred as important was that he was British.
A black Englishman fits the James Bond archetype far more than any white American "of a certain build" would
This is Elba's Twitter profile pic (posted only this March).
He's got good genes. If you put him on a training program, I reckon he could easily be bond for 14 years. Tom Cruise is currently 57, by way of example. All it takes is a good diet, regular excercise and thorough thetan cleansing.
I really don’t think it would though, it should but if Idris Elba were Bond I doubt there would be any critique about his Aston Martin that can drive under water or fly him to the moon.
This all spawned from my comments on the Little Mermaid & I’m now in a Bond debate but given that The Little Mermaid is not only about cryptozoological finned woman but also has a signing Jamaican lobster & people are falling over themselves because the main character isn’t white I think we’re as far as ever from having people understand that a James Bond of ‘colour’ could be picked on merit.
Agreed but I can’t recall [& I don’t speak for every/anyone here really] there being hashtags & social movements to stop people watching the films because his cars drive parallel to a wall but I would guarantee some backlash if Idris were James Bond.
You’re preaching to the choir here but I can name 2 Americans & an Australian [all white] that have played the role - Can you name me one Black British [or even non British; in-fact let’s open it up to non-white] person that has?
You’re entering this debate with sensibility so I am sure the British characteristic is the most important to you but it’s quite simply not for the majority of the dominant race in the countries the films are marketed towards.
Craig is also now too old for Bond. Bond is a guy in his mid to late 30s in the books and Craig is now 51.
And by the time the 26th Bond movie starts getting shot (probably 2023-24), Elba will be older than Craig is now.
I know that Craig is now too old for Bond. Both of them are.
That said, how tightly are we going to adhere to who "Bond" is? If we adhere tightly to the author's description and illustration of Bond, then there's really no way Elba could be 007 anyway.
That ship sailed long ago, even before Craig was announced Bond. Bond as a property has surpassed what Fleming is viewed it as.
Elba does look great for his age though so even with my doubts he could pull off 2 movies.
If that's the case, then does the age of Bond matter that much?
I'm admittedly a bit of a purist when it comes to adapting literary characters to the screen, because it keeps things (relatively) simple. When you start changing the character, then how far do you/can you go?
To be fair even a loose adherence would rule Elba out. If we're being honest he doesn't really fit the profile of a 30-something, posh, upper-class, privately educated, naval academy white boy. It's a stretch too far, even with Elba's impressive acting abilities.
I do have a curiosity to see what he would make of the role, but I feel they'd have to have make a different kind of Bond, unlike the one portrayed in the books. A more gritty, street-wise, human Bond.
It probably doesn’t in the grand scheme of things given how old Roger Moore was by the end of his reign.
The preference on age isn't to do the film itself though, more if the actor is able to leave a mark on the series.
Gotcha. I would agree with this. I really don’t want to see another one film bond.
I agree.
Yes, he would be perfect to play a more grizzled Bond character. I really enjoyed his roles like that in Luther and The Wire.
A view to a kill was ridiculous with Moore about 70 covered in liver spots.
I remember there being hell up when Craig got the role. He was “too short” or “too blonde”, and people got over that. I’m not sure he necessarily has to be identical to Fleming’s aesthetic design, just as long as he follows all the character criteria.
From 2016 but still fairly relevant every time there’s a blowout regarding a black actor casted in a previously white role.
Very relevant. Obviously told from a ‘funny’ perspective but so damn true.
“Whitewashing might not be an issue if every time a black person was cast in a lead role people didn’t go apeshit”
This is the exact point the Ariel debacle raised again.
*Whitewashing is wrong btw
If anyone has an interest in hearing the perspective from a minority perspective give this podcast a listen
http://blackmenpodcast.com/
3 young black actors reviewing films with black actors in lead roles - I’d recommend ‘The Help’ & ‘Hidden Figures’ episodes if you’re wondering what the video above means about placing white actors in the foreground of minority led films.
*I don’t agree with everything these guys say at all but they make me look at films from a different perspective.
**Anyone with similar recommendations please let me know, I drive a lot in my job so any podcasts you guys listen to. . .
If the top half is the fish part and the bottom half human then yes. Otherwise i don't think so.
60 years of Bond films and various interpretations of the role would makes this a non issue for me. If you can't accept experiments with roles by that stage when can you. I can understand people feeling protective of a source material if it is the first adaptation, at that stage staying as close to the original vision would be my preference but in subsequent versions exploring the characters from different angles can only add to it. I say that having experienced some weird, wonderful and awful takes on Shakespeare over the years.
Creepy comment descends into typical DM-readerdom. Is the book renowned for its PC storyline?
No, but is very anti-authoritarian.Creepy comment descends into typical DM-readerdom. Is the book renowned for its PC storyline?
Shower of utter pricks.
Daily Mail readers are definitely utter pricks but aren’t they also anti-authoritarian? Definitely get a whiff of libertarianism from most comment threads.
Depends how you frame anti-authoritarian, they'd love to impose their world view on everyone else.
And they want a proper young female actress in that film part.
They appear to be quite happy with conservatism and tradition when it is authority they approve of (notably organised religion). His Dark Materials is anti authority in general, but also specifically against organised religion. It also celebrates education, knowledge and sexuality which is clearly not going to go down well with this mob. Note the use of the term amoral. I don't think they're libertarian in general: they certainly seem to want to control anyone who does anything they don't approve of...which is everyone pretty much.
Probably. Although the right wing’s modern obsession with free speech and small government is definitely a little different to the old fashioned conservatism you would typically equate with DM readers.
In shocking news, Katie Hopkins admits that she's Katie Hopkins for money:
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/18/katie-hopkins-jon-ronson-interview
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I think it's just a different way of expressing the same thoughts. They care about free speech because they don't like not being able to denigrate those they don't like, they care about small government because they see that as the way to preserve the halcyon past.
They care about small government because they believe it means lower taxes more like.
Thought that was fan fiction at first. Well, they have my attention.
I'll wait and see how she does before making any decision as I have on any 007. I go into any show or film series with an open mind.
I have liked Daniel Craig as 007. He's probably my favourite as a rather darker 007 than the ones before him. I hope they continue down the darker path even after DC leaves the series.
Context from the twitter thread.
Are there any actual sources, though? Twitter is probably the second worst place to get information from, after YouTube comments. I checked a few of the articles linked, and while they had a very clear stance on the issue ("those silly SJWs"), I didn't see any mention of what you're talking about.
Its screen caps with archives of tweets of that guy's about ogling women in changing rooms and trying to organise 12+ topless pool parties with "no parents"
Oh boy, that's not a good look is it. Colour me a little bit skeptical without anything more than screen caps of Twitter, but still.