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It's ok, they could always replace Idris with a white mermaid.
As a fan of the Ian Fleming novels when I was a kid in the 1980s and the movies the only characteristic of James Bond that I inferred as important was that he was British.Of course.
The galas, events, underground meetings that the character often has to infiltrate are dominantly ‘white’ in their make up. The character often has to go under the radar for parts of this which he does by ‘blending in’ before being identified then having to fight his way out of some ridiculous situation.
Idris in these spaces would immediately stand out for the obvious reason; ‘who’s the big black lad in this members only event that is 99.9% white to begin with’.
I just think the discourse for that franchise has been set for decades; [rightly or wrongly] he’s a white man of a certain build & characteristic that is [rightly or wrongly] intrinsic to the way the story is told. ‘007’ is one of many ‘bonds’ so perhaps Idris could be ‘008’ or something; of course I’m overthinking a fictional character but I think a black bond would become so gimmicky it would actually hinder ‘the cause’.
This is Elba's Twitter profile pic (posted only this March).
He's got good genes. If you put him on a training program, I reckon he could easily be bond for 14 years. Tom Cruise is currently 57, by way of example. All it takes is a good diet, regular excercise and thorough thetan cleansing.
I really don’t think it would though, it should but if Idris Elba were Bond I doubt there would be any critique about his Aston Martin that can drive under water or fly him to the moon.I get ya now. This is 007 we are talking though, in the list of unrealistic happenings in each movie that would easily be way down the list....
Agreed but I can’t recall [& I don’t speak for every/anyone here really] there being hashtags & social movements to stop people watching the films because his cars drive parallel to a wall but I would guarantee some backlash if Idris were James Bond.I’m just saying you’d hope that little detail could be overlooked. These things can have a little artistic license, and it certainly shouldn’t stop him getting the role if the producers think he’s the man. It’s no less believable than him driving his car off a cliff and walking out without so much as a crease on his suit.
You’re preaching to the choir here but I can name 2 Americans & an Australian [all white] that have played the role - Can you name me one Black British [or even non British; in-fact let’s open it up to non-white] person that has?As a fan of the Ian Fleming novels when I was a kid in the 1980s and the movies the only characteristic of James Bond that I inferred as important was that he was British.
A black Englishman fits the James Bond archetype far more than any white American "of a certain build" would
Craig is also now too old for Bond. Bond is a guy in his mid to late 30s in the books and Craig is now 51.Elba is younger than Craig
I know that Craig is now too old for Bond. Both of them are.Craig is also now too old for Bond. Bond is a guy in his mid to late 30s in the books and Craig is now 51.
And by the time the 26th Bond movie starts getting shot (probably 2023-24), Elba will be older than Craig is now.
That ship sailed long ago, even before Craig was announced Bond. Bond as a property has surpassed what Fleming is viewed it as.That said, how tightly are we going to adhere to who "Bond" is? If we adhere tightly to the author's description and illustration of Bond, then there's really no way Elba could be 007 anyway.
If that's the case, then does the age of Bond matter that much?That ship sailed long ago, even before Craig was announced Bond. Bond as a property has surpassed what Fleming is viewed it as.
Elba does look great for his age though so even with my doubts he could pull off 2 movies.
To be fair even a loose adherence would rule Elba out. If we're being honest he doesn't really fit the profile of a 30-something, posh, upper-class, privately educated, naval academy white boy. It's a stretch too far, even with Elba's impressive acting abilities.I know that Craig is now too old for Bond. Both of them are.
That said, how tightly are we going to adhere to who "Bond" is? If we adhere tightly to the author's description and illustration of Bond, then there's really no way Elba could be 007 anyway.
It probably doesn’t in the grand scheme of things given how old Roger Moore was by the end of his reign.If that's the case, then does the age of Bond matter that much?
I'm admittedly a bit of a purist when it comes to adapting literary characters to the screen, because it keeps things (relatively) simple. When you start changing the character, then how far do you/can you go?
Gotcha. I would agree with this. I really don’t want to see another one film bond.The preference on age isn't to do the film itself though, more if the actor is able to leave a mark on the series.
I agree.To be fair even a loose adherence would rule Elba out. If we're being honest he doesn't really fit the profile of a 30-something, posh, upper-class, privately educated, naval academy white boy. It's a stretch too far, even with Elba's impressive acting abilities.
Yes, he would be perfect to play a more grizzled Bond character. I really enjoyed his roles like that in Luther and The Wire.I do have a curiosity to see what he would make of the role, but I feel they'd have to have make a different kind of Bond, unlike the one portrayed in the books. A more gritty, street-wise, human Bond.
A view to a kill was ridiculous with Moore about 70 covered in liver spots.It probably doesn’t in the grand scheme of things given how old Roger Moore was by the end of his reign.
The preference on age isn't to do the film itself though, more if the actor is able to leave a mark on the series.
That was Liver Let Die.A view to a kill was ridiculous with Moore about 70 covered in liver spots.
Very relevant. Obviously told from a ‘funny’ perspective but so damn true.
From 2016 but still fairly relevant every time there’s a blowout regarding a black actor casted in a previously white role.
If the top half is the fish part and the bottom half human then yes. Otherwise i don't think so.Do mermaids have ladyparts?
60 years of Bond films and various interpretations of the role would makes this a non issue for me. If you can't accept experiments with roles by that stage when can you. I can understand people feeling protective of a source material if it is the first adaptation, at that stage staying as close to the original vision would be my preference but in subsequent versions exploring the characters from different angles can only add to it. I say that having experienced some weird, wonderful and awful takes on Shakespeare over the years.To be fair even a loose adherence would rule Elba out. If we're being honest he doesn't really fit the profile of a 30-something, posh, upper-class, privately educated, naval academy white boy. It's a stretch too far, even with Elba's impressive acting abilities.
I do have a curiosity to see what he would make of the role, but I feel they'd have to have make a different kind of Bond, unlike the one portrayed in the books. A more gritty, street-wise, human Bond.
No, but is very anti-authoritarian.Creepy comment descends into typical DM-readerdom. Is the book renowned for its PC storyline?
Depends how you frame anti-authoritarian, they'd love to impose their world view on everyone else.Daily Mail readers are definitely utter pricks but aren’t they also anti-authoritarian? Definitely get a whiff of libertarianism from most comment threads.
They appear to be quite happy with conservatism and tradition when it is authority they approve of (notably organised religion). His Dark Materials is anti authority in general, but also specifically against organised religion. It also celebrates education, knowledge and sexuality which is clearly not going to go down well with this mob. Note the use of the term amoral. I don't think they're libertarian in general: they certainly seem to want to control anyone who does anything they don't approve of...which is everyone pretty much.Daily Mail readers are definitely utter pricks but aren’t they also anti-authoritarian? Definitely get a whiff of libertarianism from most comment threads.
Probably. Although the right wing’s modern obsession with free speech and small government is definitely a little different to the old fashioned conservatism you would typically equate with DM readers.Depends how you frame anti-authoritarian, they'd love to impose their world view on everyone else.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/18/katie-hopkins-jon-ronson-interview“But you decided to play into it?” I ask her.
“Exactly,” Hopkins says. “I didn’t have a job. So my best route was to learn to be good at this next thing.”
“You decided to become other people’s definition of you?” I ask.
“Yes,” she says
I think it's just a different way of expressing the same thoughts. They care about free speech because they don't like not being able to denigrate those they don't like, they care about small government because they see that as the way to preserve the halcyon past.Probably. Although the right wing’s modern obsession with free speech and small government is definitely a little different to the old fashioned conservatism you would typically equate with DM readers.
They care about small government because they believe it means lower taxes more like.I think it's just a different way of expressing the same thoughts. They care about free speech because they don't like not being able to denigrate those they don't like, they care about small government because they see that as the way to preserve the halcyon past.
Isn't 007 a woman now?I get ya now. This is 007 we are talking though, in the list of unrealistic happenings in each movie that would easily be way down the list....
“There is a pivotal scene at the start of the film where M says, “Come in 007”, and in walks Lashana who is black, beautiful and a woman,” the source said. “It’s a popcorn-dropping moment. Bond is still Bond but he’s been replaced as 007.”
Thought that was fan fiction at first. Well, they have my attention.Isn't 007 a woman now?
I'll wait and see how she does before making any decision as I have on any 007. I go into any show or film series with an open mind.Thought that was fan fiction at first. Well, they have my attention.
Context from the twitter thread.What the actual feck are you talking about?
Are there any actual sources, though? Twitter is probably the second worst place to get information from, after YouTube comments. I checked a few of the articles linked, and while they had a very clear stance on the issue ("those silly SJWs"), I didn't see any mention of what you're talking about.Context from the twitter thread.
Its screen caps with archives of tweets of that guy's about ogling women in changing rooms and trying to organise 12+ topless pool parties with "no parents"Are there any actual sources, though? Twitter is probably the second worst place to get information from, after YouTube comments. I checked a few of the articles linked, and while they had a very clear stance on the issue ("those silly SJWs"), I didn't see any mention of what you're talking about.
What the actual feck are you talking about?
Oh boy, that's not a good look is it. Colour me a little bit skeptical without anything more than screen caps of Twitter, but still.Its screen caps with archives of tweets of that guy's about ogling women in changing rooms and trying to organise 12+ topless pool parties with "no parents"