so every footballer is just like Di Maria. Ok
Paulo Dybala
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Di Maria probably wouldve worked out fine if Mourinho was manager when he came, or anyone not named Van Gaal (or Moyes, cause he was shite for everyone).
It's the folks next door in Liverpool that you've got to worry about.
There are loads more.
What they have in common is that they were both told they were surplus to requirements at clubs they wanted to stay at. Then they were railroaded into a club that they didn't necessarily want to join, because that club offered to pay big wages to sweeten an unwelcome deal. Then they proceeded to play with the same amount of effort that a lazy teenager puts into flipping burgers at McDonalds after his mum forced him to take a job.
That's the paradigm I'm bringing up, because there are reports suggesting the same pattern is being followed by Dybala.
Some are. If you're clever about assessing the situation, you can spot the pattern and avoid repeating the mistake.
They didn’t get rid of Allegri. He walked away.
or you miss an opportunity at obtaining a great player who may flourish. we’re in a position where we have to take some risks. and every player is different. what’s the alternative? we replace Lukaku with sissoko? with no one?
Yeah but that analogy only really works if the teenager only ever wanted to flip burgers at Burger King.
If he really enjoyed flipping burgers, Burger King told him to feck off, and McDonalds said come and flip burgers for us for twice the money...
Sneijder, Robben, Higuain, Sanchez, Fabregas all didnt want to leave Madrid/Barca but they proved to be superb additions to the team. Not every deal is Di Maria deal. In any case it's nothing like Di Maria, he wanted to sign for PSG and ended up here only because they had FFP issues.
If Dybala wants to sign for someone else and end up here because of some financial issues then we can see the same patters. At this point, it's just he didn't want to leave Juventus but he is told he can leave.
It's an analogy about their level of workrate rather than preference of employer.
But they wanted to join their destination teams. Unlike Robinho (who thought he was joining United) and di Maria (who later said he never wanted to come to Manchester at all)
The discussion is about how Dybala doesn't fancy United at all
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They joined their destination teams after being forced out of their clubs, just like Dybala is.
If he didn't want to join PL, he wouldn't have sent his agent to negotiate with ManUtd.
If he joins, it's because he is convinced by ManUtd and also because of huge wages he will get. If he doesn't then good for him, he can stay where he is loved by the fans and has very good history with the team.
He clearly doesn't want to be here, but will probably be forced to, and he'll ask for giga salary to compensate. Top player, always wanted him, but I'll be lying to say I'm enthusiastic about this deal with his stance.
Man Utd are Juve's choice, not his or his agent's.
Dybala is an unwilling makeweight.
All the players you mentioned chose their new clubs and were happy with the new challenge.
Exactly this. People have been really burnt by the Sanchez situation, but the fact is that was an extreme example. 275k is far from unreasonable given Dybala's talent, plus the fact thattg he's well in his rights to expect a pay bump when he's joining the richest club in the world in the richest league in the world.
Which is not to say we should just roll over; we should try to negotiate down. He's asking for a 30% increase, I'd counter with 20% and see how that's received.
Deal won't happen without Dybala's approval.
What stance ? Please stop reading stuff and thinking it's true ! You may as well go to the pub with your mate and listen to his opinion . We have no clue if Dybala wants a move to United . The only factor we do know is that Juve don't want him anymore of they are happy for him to be part of the Lukaku deal
Di Maria and Robinho also signed contracts. That's the point of the comparison. The parallels are uncanny.
It's one thing to leave a club that wants to sell. It's a totally separate thing to join a club that happens to be the only option on the table, leaving no choice but to accept.
Dybala reportedly meets both criteria, hence the cautionary tales to warn us of the precedant.
No one has any clue about what Dybala wants or doesn't, but the most accurate guesswork is that he must be somewhat willing to join if his agent is involved in discussions with us.
It's more than 275K. He is on 7.5 million Euros after tax which is 6.8 million pounds. 30% increase means it's 8.8 millions or close to 9 million pounds after tax.
That's 17 million before tax, which is around 320K per week.
There are no parallels and if anything it's close to Robben, Sneijder, Higuain than Di Maria.
He doesn't have to accept, he can reject and stay. Di Maria burned all the bridges fighting with Perez, nothing of that sort has happened with Dybala.
But equally, nobody knows anything about the truth of the discussions. Everything, short of an offical confirmation, is speculative and hypothetical.
As the agent of a player being forced out of Juve and used as a makeweight in a deal for Lukaku, it would be a dereliction of duty not to attend discussions. I've been to plenty of meetings in which I had no intention of comprimising.
Don't rob his house or make sure theres no scaffolding outside his house on really windy days at the very least.
Now you're just being silly.
I'm happy to have a reasonable discussion with someone who disagrees with me in a sensible way. That's fine. But you're being contrary for contrariness' here.
fecking hell.Exactly. If he joins then good. We will have very good player. If he doesn't want to, then we can move on to someone else and we can't blame him as he is settled well at Juventus.
Him sending his agent to negotiate the deal and the rumored contract offer (reported by reliable Juventus journalists) makes it sound like he is willing to join.
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Another report saying he doesn't want to join United. Just like di Maria. Is that not a parallel?
Yeah, next you will be posting news from Sun.
If he feels disrespected by Juve and joins the only club he can sign for in order to get out, despite not wanting to be here, would you still accept him?
I would be happy with this deal as well.
I think the argument would be accepting cash from Inter (even if it’s slightly less than our asking price) and going for a different player if we thought they were a better fit.
We take a risk either way and honestly I’m happy to move Lukaku on as he obviously wants out.
This entire thread is based on rumours. And the entire discussion is couched by 'if the reports are true'. Have you missed that?
Why not as long as he has motivation to improve himself and the team. Many players move clubs just for higher wages, not because they loved the club and was childhood dream to play for the club.
No, entire thread is based on reliable reporters like Di Marzio, Romeo Agresti and few others. Not every random source on the internet.
Maybe he's still touring the city of Manchester and realized that he doesn't want to drive on the the left side of the road cause he's a righty?
Some people are like a dog with a bone here.
If Dybala has no interest then we should expect a firm no very soon indeed and his agent to be flying back after having some nice tea and biscuits.
If Dybala has no interest then we should expect a firm no very soon indeed and his agent to be flying back after having some nice tea and biscuits.
Many players don't move to clubs they don't want to join. That's the point, and that's why your first sentence is such a doubt.
United are the only offer on the table because Dybala is a makeweight. If his lack of desire to join United is true, any deal will be doomed to your own caveat.
You're quoting literally the worst italian "sources" here.
He is not a slave, deal will happen only if Dybala wants it. If he doesn't want to, the deal is dead. It's as simple as that.
Also your first point is what I'm saying. If he moves that's because he is convinced with ManUtd and the huge wages. If he doesn't move then he didn't want to move.
Fair enough. My point isn't about saying that the deal will or won't happen. It's about the wisdom of signing a player who hypothetically doesn't want to come. I've couched every post with that predicate.
Exactly.
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