Paulo Dybala

[AbusementPark]

The Juve DOF is there to discuss Lukaku. The agent is there to make sure he gathers as much information as possible for his client, because some of the Lukaku discussions might be relevant.

The DOF wouldn't be theds to discuss just Lukaku. Lukaku and his agent have been talking and agreed with Juventus already so the DoF will be over sorting out the swap and the structure involved, ie how much money we give as well.

If Dybala has zero interest in moving then the deal would be a non starter. His agent heard the proposal from United, conveyed it to Dybala and has probably been informed its acceptable. So next day DoF flys in to conclude the talks for both players, pending final approval from Dybala on his decision.

 

[roonster09]

When has anyone in their real life ever switched jobs for the same money? We all take pay rises as an incentive to move. This is real life. It’s our lives x100 for a footballer.

Exactly. Even the players who were desperate to join Barca took a huge hike to join them, like Coutinho, Dembele.

 

[Alemar]

People are so used to us being a second or third fiddle and playing Lingard, that even when Juventus’ DoF flies in himself to talks with Woodward, they still think there could be no deal. Unbelievable attitude.

It’s hard to even imagine a more concrete fact supporting the transfer than today’s meeting in England

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

People are so used to us being a second or third fiddle and playing Lingard, that even when Juventus’ DoF flies in himself to talks with Woodward, they still think there could be no deal. Unbelievable attitude.

It’s hard to even imagine a more concrete fact supporting the transfer than today’s meeting in England

Exactly.

And simple stuff like this below, you know - being able to put 1+1 together.

Lmaoooo at these shit tier people being quoted as if their word holds any merit.

Either Sarri’s right hand man is lying or these shit tier “reporters” somehow have the inside scoop that Dybala doesn’t want to join United.

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...how can Dybala not fancy United according to them if he’s requesting 30% increase in salary on the other hand from us?

Common sense says BS. That’s as clearcut of a conflicting report as you’ll ever see. And I’ll take the side of Sarri’s guy 10/10 over those crap “journalists” spewing shit out of their mouth just to generate clicks.

 

[Stobzilla]

Juve were interested in Icardi. Still think he is their first choice and we are being used here.

Inter don't need to pump up for Dybala as this is a straight forward swap.

Higuain > Roma
Dzeko > Inter
Icardi > Juve
Dybala > Inter

And Italian clubs love these kind of deals.

So Juve are getting rid of Higuaín AND Dybala to get Icardi ?

Sounds legit.

 

[AbusementPark]

So Juve are getting rid of Higuaín AND Dybala to get Icardi ?

Sounds legit.

They want rid of both for Lukaku

 

[He'sRaldo]

Hmmm... I remember the last time we signed someone that didn't really want to be here.

Well, an advantage to that is if he does indeed flop, he'll be willing to move on rather than stink up the bench and become dross. Unfortunately, some of the players we've signed who do want to be here are doing just that.

 

[Nordskog]

When has anyone in their real life ever switched jobs for the same money? We all take pay rises as an incentive to move. This is real life. It’s our lives x100 for a footballer.

Exactly. Dybala has a lot of leverage here so it's no surprise he's trying to make the most out of the situation.

 

[RDCR07]

Well assuming this is true:

He won’t be commanding a big wage will he? We just pick up his current contract wage. After all we are his only option.

If he really wants to play he takes a salary drop so other clubs can afford him.

He sits tight ala golfboy at Madrid

But we should not be signing players on big long juicy contracts unless they really want to be here.

Btw, I like him. I think he is a great little player. He would in my mind be an ideal Mata/Lingard upgrade in the squad. The question is motivation. Is he motivated to be here 3-5 years, give his all for the cause?

Why would he take a wage decrease? Makes no sense for a player just about to hit his prime. Also it’s not his salary that’s a hindrance to other clubs. It’s his transfer fee. He is valued more than Lukaku and no one is willing to pay that straight up.

 

[RDCR07]

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Another report saying he doesn't want to join United. Just like di Maria. Is that not a parallel?

If the same outlet says we are definitely going to sign player X then literally everyone gets skeptical and question how would they know but if the same outlet says that player isn’t joining us then somehow everyone is on board the pessimistic train and you agree with the source? Everyone knows this is going to be settled only on Thursday so let’s wait it out till then.

 

[Adnan]

Dybala is obviously willing to join United if his agent has made the effort to fly over to England for negotiations. Juve's DoF Paratici also flying over, could mean the deal is more advanced than first reported by our media in England.

 

[Judas]

I think he's willing to join, but wage demands might be a stumbling block.

The sooner this gets decided one way or another the better, feels like it's been going on for ages but its only been a few days

 

[RDCR07]

I think he's willing to join, but wage demands might be a stumbling block.

The sooner this gets decided one way or another the better, feels like it's been going on for ages but its only been a few days

He wants 275k per week which is reasonable for a player like him and a club like ours.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Who was it that called this first, to some degree of cynicism? It was Di Marzio again, right?

 

[Walli]

This is a big test for the club and the ability to conduct business and show that we are an attractive prospect for players getting close to their prime. I would have believed that the prospect of reuniting with Pogba would be attractive for Dybala so I'm questioning pogbas future at United.

 

[DarkXaero]

Who was it that called this first, to some degree of cynicism? It was Di Marzio again, right?

Yep.

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

D-Day
(Dybala day)


This is it, today’s the day.

Old gods & the new, please bless us!

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

Really hoping this happens. Much rather get someone the world class quality of Dybala for Lukaku who can help us instantly instead of cash.


Juventus & United have good relations and a positive track record. That's all I can rely on and it’s enough for me. Signs point to it as well with their DOF having flown into town. Please please please let it be!

 

[matherto]

He doesn't want to be here.

So even if he does actually come, he's Di Maria part two.

Sorry but do not want.

 

[Judas]

Has anyone mentioned Di Maria yet? Or is this a brand new comparison that no one else has thought to say??? text that is white

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

He doesn't want to be here.

Show me where he says this.

In the meantime, I’ll show you his wage request for United coming from Sarri’s right hand man himself.

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And I’ll ask you why he’d make a wage request if he didn’t want to be here. Cheers.

 

[dasty]

People are so used to us being a second or third fiddle and playing Lingard, that even when Juventus’ DoF flies in himself to talks with Woodward, they still think there could be no deal. Unbelievable attitude.

It’s hard to even imagine a more concrete fact supporting the transfer than today’s meeting in England

Even the fact that we are swapping Lukaku who won't even be in our starting eleven, for Dybala, who will replace Lingard from our starting eleven, is thought as most on here as a bad idea and a square peg in a round hole, shows how damaged most people here are. They also couldn't digest the fact that a world class player would take more than 2-3 days to consider his options before moving to us, when we are obviously a downgrade in footballing terms, and started to think he is going to be the next Di Maria or Sanchez. It's such a sad and toxic way of thinking, but that's what this forum is nowadays.

 

[Ban]

Has anyone mentioned Di Maria yet? Or is this a brand new comparison that no one else has thought to say??? text that is white

No. What about Di Maria?

 

[matherto]

Show me where he says this.

In the meantime, I’ll show you his wage request for United coming from Sarri’s right hand man himself.

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And I’ll ask you why he’d make a wage request if he didn’t want to be here. Cheers.

Wanting a 30% increase in salary to make it worthwhile moving to somewhere he doesn't want to be. Di Maria.

There are plenty of stories out there currently saying everything is agreed between United and Juve for Lukaku but Dybala doesn't want to come here.

 

[matherto]

Has anyone mentioned Di Maria yet? Or is this a brand new comparison that no one else has thought to say??? text that is white

It's the same attitude so yeah, Di Maria Di Maria Di Maria.

 

[diarm]

Jesus this thread is like discovering Dante's 8th Circle of Hell.

It's being stuck in a thread listening to him being utterly miserable about what should be an exciting transfer.

 

[SaintMuppet]

Why would he take a wage decrease? Makes no sense for a player just about to hit his prime. Also it’s not his salary that’s a hindrance to other clubs. It’s his transfer fee. He is valued more than Lukaku and no one is willing to pay that straight up.

I think his wages price him out of most clubs. They would break most clubs wage structure and cause angst in-house.

If he is really up for coming then get him.

If he is not then don’t touch him.

It’s really that simple and down to his motivation. The real issue is we have far more pressing positions need looking at. I’d rather we were looking at a wide right player and a defensive midfielder.

 

[MrPooni]

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...how can Dybala not fancy United according to them if he’s requesting 30% increase in salary on the other hand from us?

Show me where he says this.

In the meantime, I’ll show you his wage request for United coming from Sarri’s right hand man himself.

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And I’ll ask you why he’d make a wage request if he didn’t want to be here. Cheers.

I'd imagine the negotiations you're referring to are due diligence on the part of his agent in case his position at Juventus becomes completely untenable and he has no other choice but to join us ala Di Maria. It would also give his camp a clearer idea of Dybala's real market value for any other clubs who decide to join the fray in the sense that they can say "United are offering [X] so we'd like you to either match or improve on that offer" ala Sergio Ramos and the other laundry list of players and clubs who have invoked our name to get better contracts/deals elsewhere. Dybala himself wouldn't even come into it until the latter stages of the transfer so your logic is pretty flawed here. That's not to say this report isn't bullshit, it's just something to keep in mind. Personally I've always felt that he doesn't really want to join us for example but it is what it is.

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

Wanting a 30% increase in salary to make it worthwhile moving to somewhere he doesn't want to be. Di Maria.

There are plenty of stories out there currently saying everything is agreed between United and Juve for Lukaku but Dybala doesn't want to come here.

Nope. Not to “make it worthwhile”, just for a pay raise because he’s currently getting paid below his worth from when he signed his current contract to the player he’s now become.

All the reports linking him to us so far are from top tier credible sources. The one’s saying he doesn’t want to come here are from shit tier “journalists”, continuing their shit work, trying to generate clicks - which no credible reporter has mentioned.

Just calling a spade a spade. It’s the facts.

 

[mariachi-19]

Jesus this thread is like discovering Dante's 8th Circle of Hell.

It's being stuck in a thread listening to him being utterly miserable about what should be an exciting transfer.

Welcome to Redcafe.

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

I'd imagine the negotiations you're referring to are due diligence on the part of his agent in case his position at Juventus becomes completely untenable and he has no other choice but to join us ala Di Maria. It would also give his camp a clearer idea of Dybala's real market value for any other clubs who decide to join the fray in the sense that they can say "United are offering [X] so we'd like you to either match or improve on that offer" ala Sergio Ramos and the other laundry list of players and clubs who have invoked our name to get better contracts/deals elsewhere. Dybala himself wouldn't even come into it until the latter stages of the transfer so your logic is pretty flawed here. That's not to say this report isn't bullshit, it's just something to keep in mind. Personally I've always felt that he doesn't really want to join us for example but it is what it is.

If that’s what you feel that’s cool. Just against people talking as if they know for certain he doesn’t want in because they’re speaking out of their you know what.

I’m just going by the signs and credible reports. Juvé’s DOF even flew into town. Not a fan of all this pessimistic gossip people are throwing out there. And I’ll call a spade a spade if it comes that he doesn’t want in. But that hasn’t happened yet and all signs *so far* point to him on his way out.

 

[spaceboyRSA]

What's the problem with wanting a 30 percent pay increase? Does not make him a mercenary. It also doesn't mean he doesn't want to be here. Hes heading into his prime, is an A grade footballer and should be paid accordingly.

Daniel James and AWB quadrupled their salaries (dont know exact figure)- I dont see them as mercenarys.

 

[MrPooni]

When has anyone in their real life ever switched jobs for the same money? We all take pay rises as an incentive to move. This is real life. It’s our lives x100 for a footballer.

A good friend of mine recently took a wage cut because the new position offered an easier commute and an improved work/life balance so it's not unheard of. Hell even Zlatan has spoken openly about turning down bigger offers and taking a wage cut to move to LA because he's reached a stage where his basic wage doesn't particularly matter to him.

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

It's being stuck in a thread listening to him being utterly miserable about what should be an exciting transfer.

Exactly, especially when it’s made up BS being spread around too.

The concrete stuff that points to him close to joining us? Nah let’s forget about that. Rather make up shit and be all negative. Like really? ...

 

[Judas]

You can't exactly blame people for being skeptical and not quick to believe positive things, we've been burnt a million times.

We're just sick of being hurt

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

A good friend of mine recently took a wage cut because the new position offered an easier commute and an improved work/life balance so it's not unheard of. Hell even Zlatan has spoken openly about turning down bigger offers and taking a wage cut to move to LA because he's reached a stage where his basic wage doesn't particularly matter to him.

So you’re tell us the exceptions are now the norm? That’s some logic you got there.

I can’t believe you’re comparing a friend who did that for a more comfortable life balance to Dybala which would obviously not be as comfortable as living in Italy. And Zlatan? Yea, he only just re-signed with LA to become the highest paid MLS player ever...

 

[Jimmy_Bond]

At the start of summer everyone is saying "we need to sign hungry players who want to be here and stop signing players who only come for the money."

Then, despite there being reports that not only does Dybala not want to leave Juventus, but he never had any illusions to play in the Premier League as it doesn't suit his style, he'd rather play for PSG or the Spanish clubs, and that he'll only come if we offer astronomical sums of money, some fans are still desperate that he joins.

Words fail me. Really hoping this falls through. The exact kind of transfer that has got us in this mess in the first place.

 

[Ole’s Wheel]

You can't exactly blame people for being skeptical and not quick to believe positive things, we've been burnt a million times.

We're just sick of being hurt

True I guess.

But those times were mostly muppet-driven pipe dreams/wishes.

This is concrete reports.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

What's the problem with wanting a 30 percent pay increase?

Because it means he didn't pop out of the womb in a Cantona shirt, obviously.

 

[roonster09]

Wanting a 30% increase in salary to make it worthwhile moving to somewhere he doesn't want to be. Di Maria.

There are plenty of stories out there currently saying everything is agreed between United and Juve for Lukaku but Dybala doesn't want to come here.

Which players (at their peak or young players) sign for club without getting hike on their existing contract?