Tottenham's mental issues when a trophy is in sight

[mancan92]

I don't know why people keep talking about Tottenham winning the league as being the main factor to call them bottlers. I call them bottlers because anytime they have an opportunity to win anything the fall short. That's plainly a mental issue.

Even if you want to talk about the league that season with Leicester. If they had any bottle as a team they would have gone on to overtake Leicester.

 

[Wumminator]

I don't know why people keep talking about Tottenham winning the league as being the main factor to call them bottlers. I call them bottlers because anytime they have an opportunity to win anything the fall short. That's plainly a mental issue.

Even if you want to talk about the league that season with Leicester. If they had any bottle as a team they would have gone on to overtake Leicester.

Did... every team the season lack bottle apart from Leicester? Who magically lost bottle a few months after?

“I don’t know why people think Tottenham are bottlers because they don’t win leagues... Tottenham should have won the league but they bottled it” is literally the post you just made.

 

[mancan92]

Did... every team the season lack bottle apart from Leicester? Who magically lost bottle a few months after?

“I don’t know why people think Tottenham are bottlers because they don’t win leagues... Tottenham should have won the league but they bottled it” is literally the post you just made.

Did you not read my point. I said without the league they still bottled it but even if you look at the league they had an opportunity. The whole point is that everytime Tottenham have a chance to win they bottle it. That includes the one time they genuinely had a chance to win the league against a team which was absolutely inferior to theirs. Regardless they have had many cup opportunities they should have capitalised on anyway.

Ps. Yes in regards to Leicesters title season every team bottled it but they point is the other teams have proved they can perform when it matter many times across the years.

 

[Wumminator]

Did you not read my point. I said without the league they still bottled it but even if you look at the league they had an opportunity. The whole point is that everytime Tottenham have a chance to win they bottle it. That includes the one time they genuinely had a chance to win the league against a team which was absolutely inferior to theirs. Regardless they have had many cup opportunities they should have capitalised on anyway.

Ps. Yes in regards to Leicesters title season every team bottled it but they point is the other teams have proved they can perform when it matter many times across the years.

If you think that 19 teams in a league can “bottle” something then we are just too far apart to ever agree.

 

[mancan92]

If you think that 19 teams in a league can “bottle” something then we are just too far apart to ever agree.

No the big teams bottled it allowing Leicester to win. Why are you bring pedantic

 

[Bobski]

Don't understand why so many think their squad is exceptional. From Utd fans I might put it down to being part of the Mourinho arguments, so many of his fans insisted that Spurs(and Chelsea, and probably Arsenal had be survived much longer, maybe even bloody Everton) had a better squad than Utd as a means of protecting him.

That midfield is very average.

 

[balaks]

Don't understand why so many think their squad is exceptional. From Utd fans I might put it down to being part of the Mourinho arguments, so many of his fans insisted that Spurs(and Chelsea, and probably Arsenal had be survived much longer, maybe even bloody Everton) had a better squad than Utd as a means of protecting him.

That midfield is very average.

We have some excellent players but we have glaring weakness in the first 11 and the squad as a whole - midfield as you rightly point out is probably mid-table level.

 

[izec]

In a world without trophies, they wouldnt even win something

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Don't understand why so many think their squad is exceptional. From Utd fans I might put it down to being part of the Mourinho arguments, so many of his fans insisted that Spurs(and Chelsea, and probably Arsenal had be survived much longer, maybe even bloody Everton) had a better squad than Utd as a means of protecting him.

That midfield is very average.

Wanyama & Sissoko or even if Dier & Winks in there, I’m sure Spurs fans would rather have Pogba & Herrera all day.

 

[adexkola]

No the big teams bottled it allowing Leicester to win. Why are you bring pedantic

Why are you engaging in stupid cliches?

 

[Bobski]

We have some excellent players but we have glaring weakness in the first 11 and the squad as a whole - midfield as you rightly point out is probably mid-table level.

Still a good team, but I just don't think it has been realistic for people to look at that group and expect a title challenge. Full backs as well, Rose is a shadow of what he was and Trippier, well it turns out taking a great set piece doesn't necessarily make you a top class full back. Who Knew.

2 years ago they had a chance, but the others have improved and Spurs have regressed. Top 4 would be an excellent showing.

 

[sullydnl]

Again, I don't see today as being about bottling. If anything it's something more damning for Poch, namely poor tactics and team selection exacerbating serious flaws in their squad. Five at the back with Wanyama starting? Also, has rushing Kane back from injury ever worked? He always seems so poor upon return.

 

[balaks]

Still a good team, but I just don't think it has been realistic for people to look at that group and expect a title challenge. Full backs as well, Rose is a shadow of what he was and Trippier, well it turns out taking a great set piece doesn't necessarily make you a top class full back. Who Knew.

2 years ago they had a chance, but the others have improved and Spurs have regressed. Top 4 would be an excellent showing.

Yeah our full-backs are simply not of a good enough standard. Realistically for us to win the title we need at least 4 new players. It will be a big summer for us as I expect Eriksen to leave and it's vital that we get the right players in.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

The most mentally weak "big" club in the world.

Pussies.

Don't care if Arsenal beat them, we should catch these bottlers anyway. Imagine finishing above these "title contenders" despite a half-season handicap

 

[sp_107]

I think Pochenteno head is in Madrid

 

[OohAahMartial]

Their bottling starts with their manager, guy simply doesn't have a winning mentality and can't create one in his players.

 

[Member 115509]

Big case of squeaky bum syndrome.

 

[Peyroteo]

Spurs won the league cup in 2008. Wigan won the FA cup. Portsmouth won the FA cup. Birmingham won the league cup. Arsenal finally broke their trophy drought by winning the FA cup.

None of them lead to competing at the very top.

Leicester didn't need any cup win prior to them to pulling off a miracle by winning the league.

This "taste for trophies" bollocks has no basis in reality.

It does though. It definitely impacts the overall mentality of the team and helps in pressure situations. Anyone who’s been part of the game or followed it for long knows it.

The fact that it obviously doesn’t happen every time means absolutely nothing and doesn’t disprove anything.

 

[Red_toad]

3 points behind them now, who'd have thought it a few months ago? The Solskjaer effect

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

I know quite a few Spurs fans and they all talk a big game, they’ve been certain for years they’re on the verge of winning big trophies but it just never happens. I just remind them since SAF retired we’ve been shite and still managed to win trophies whilst they’ve apparently been great and have won a grand total of zilch

 

[Dominos]

It does though. It definitely impacts the overall mentality of the team and helps in pressure situations. Anyone who’s been part of the game or followed it for long knows it.

The fact that it obviously doesn’t happen every time means absolutely nothing and doesn’t disprove anything.

It took me 10 seconds to think of 6 examples, just in this country, just in the last decade.

Of course teams who win a trophy quite often go on to win another trophy or more in the following years. Because you're much more likely to win a trophy if you're a good team. And you'll probably be a good team the following year too.

It's also a massive coincidence that the likes of Chelsea and City seemed to go from mentally weak to mentally strong upon the arrival of billionaire owners. Funny that.

 

[Dancfc]

It's also a massive coincidence that the likes of Chelsea and City seemed to go from mentally weak to mentally strong upon the arrival of billionaire owners. Funny that.

We won and fought strongly for numerous trophy's in the decade leading upto his takeover.

 

[He'sRaldo]

Spurs don't need the best squad in England to win a trophy. Of course for the ultimate prize it's helpful, but for a League Cup or F.A Cup, I'm sure their squads from 2015 have been more than adequate. I don't buy the argument that the squad is inadequate.

 

[Member 39557]

Spurs won the league cup in 2008. Wigan won the FA cup. Portsmouth won the FA cup. Birmingham won the league cup. Arsenal finally broke their trophy drought by winning the FA cup.

None of them lead to competing at the very top.

Leicester didn't need any cup win prior to them to pulling off a miracle by winning the league.

This "taste for trophies" bollocks has no basis in reality.

I think the small matter of winning the Championship, thus knowing how to keep their heads in the title run-in may have helped.

 

[Maccataq]

This is simply because for a club at our financial level, the money you get for being in Europe is very important. We're currently funding a stadium which makes this even more true, it's pretty clear that the instruction from the board is prioritise keeping the team in the Champions League with the cups being a secondary objective.

It's not what you really want as a fan, that much I would say. I would love a cup and honestly tire of every season just being the same old story with playing for the top four spots, to the point where this season I'm at a stage where I really will not be getting excited for most league games. Fighting for top 4 is boring but an understandable necessity when you don't have oil money pouring in or the natural revenue a club like Liverpool or United can generate.

Yeah totally get that and I guess it's just a sad indictment of the modern game. To be honest, Spurs are the only other top 6 team I would like to do well. You've still got the CL and one foot in the quarters already and I think you'll still get top 4 despite recent wobbles. Board needs to invest if you're to move to the next level, dare I say it, you are doing an Arsenal in terms of fighting for top 4 and letting the new stadium limit team investment. Imperative you keep the top players/core group together.

 

[Apokalips]

Don't understand why so many think their squad is exceptional. From Utd fans I might put it down to being part of the Mourinho arguments, so many of his fans insisted that Spurs(and Chelsea, and probably Arsenal had be survived much longer, maybe even bloody Everton) had a better squad than Utd as a means of protecting him.

That midfield is very average.

Pretty sure Jose was already bringing Everton into the equation praising their work in the summer Market over ours, so you're definitely right there.

As for Spurs, their side is good but overrated and needs to be bolstered for sure. Additionally I can't help but feel they take after their manager. Poch has, numerous times, made defeatist statements with regards to certain trophies as soon as they reach the Semis. A true winner wants to win everything possible, especially if you haven't won for a while.

 

[Irrational.]

It would be poetic if they got trounced by Dortmund this week. Would be totally a Spurs thing to do.

 

[africanspur]

We won and fought strongly for numerous trophy's in the decade leading upto his takeover.

2 FA cups, a Cup Winners Cup if you want to count that and a league cup (having spent quite a bit of money before he arrived and in financial peril). 11 in the decade following his takeover and quite a few more in the 6 years since then as well. And average league position was 7th in the 10 seasons before, 2.3 the decade after.

City for reference had won the championship if we're being fair. 8 and counting in the decade since the injection of Emirati bottle.

 

[Denis79]

They seem to have lost their form, I'm not so certain they'll even make top 4.

 

[Casanova85]

As expected! Not surprising at all.

The Spurs are second-tier. Winning mentality is absent.

Unless they win a PL, their true aim is Top3-6, FA Cup, UCL Quarters (at best!), Europa League semis.

The Spurs just don't have the legacy built by Man Utd in the '60s or Liverpool in the '70s-'80s, or the legacy of Man Utd., Arsenal and Chelsea in the PL, or the UCL legacy of Man Utd., Chelsea and Liverpool.

Heck, before Poch the Spurs were just the "Everton of London".

 

[Samid]

No more mental issues, they're finally winners!

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[Mindhunter]

No more mental issues, they're finally winners!

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Hope they celebrate in their cheese room.

 

[Ban]

Amazing achievement.

 

[adexkola]

Stupid thread

 

[P-Ro]

Now that they've won a major trophy can we lock this thread please?

 

[GlastonSpur]

Good grief .. the desperation shown by opposition fans in this thread bump.

 

[balaks]

Oh look, yet another let's all laugh at Spurs thread.

 

[P-Ro]

Good grief .. the desperation shown by opposition fans in this thread bump.

Agree totally. They're just jealous of your success.

 

[RobinLFC]

While it's preseason and it doesn't mean anything, it's still better to win it than not win it.

To tweet about it and call it an actual trophy might push things a little though.

 

[balaks]

While it's preseason and it doesn't mean anything, it's still better to win it than not win it.

To tweet about it and call it an actual trophy might push things a little though.

Well considering it was not that long ago Utd fans were counting a Community Shield in their trophy list for the year... we all do it. Nobody - not even us Spurs fans - are taking it seriously at all, it's meaningless pre-season stuff though as you say still nice to win it.