Paulo Dybala

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Accepting anything less. They want to earn as much as possible. Agents and the players.

The agent will engineer a move that is best for all parties whilst trying to maximise their own value at the same time.

Dybalas own demands is likely not going to be as stupid for a club in the Champions League.
 
I disagree respectfully. they can feck off. We aren't desperate for him. A number 8 or pure right winger is a bigger requirement for us anyway.

That’s fine but we aren’t getting either this window. We could have gotten a top tier player to take some creative burden from Pogba. We desperately need more players on his level, not continue to see Mata and Lingard frustrate week in week out.
 
That’s fine but we aren’t getting either this window. We could have gotten a top tier player to take some creative burden from Pogba. We desperately need more players on his level, not continue to see Mata and Lingard frustrate week in week out.

And signed a player joining for the wrong reasons. We were right to play hard ball, sick and tired of bending over for brand players now.
 
The agent will engineer a move that is best for all parties whilst trying to maximise their own value at the same time.

Dybalas own demands is likely not going to be as stupid for a club in the Champions League.

I don’t believe that for a second tbh. Yes, we are not in the CL this season, but a CL team would be paying the same imo.

We will probably not know this as Dybala will probably be stuck at Juventus. It’s not looking good for him. They are ruthless over there and he/the agent are going to have to deal with that.
 
And signed a player joining for the wrong reasons. We were right to play hard ball, sick and tired of bending over for brand players now.

What top player is going to want to join us for the right reasons? People need to stop living in this fairytale. We are fecking rubbish, have been since 2012 now. Have spent a feck ton of money and are the 6th best team in England. These top players want to be winning champions leagues, not busting their balls to try and qualify for it, playing for an unproven manager, a board that continuously make terrible decision after terrible decision and a club that severely lacks direction.

The only way we tempt these players is with money, simple as. We offer money and the ability to build your brand. When it comes to football, there are far better places they can go to.
 
I reckon Bayern will end up signing him when our window has shut.
 
I don’t believe that for a second tbh. Yes, we are not in the CL this season, but a CL team would be paying the same imo.

We will probably not know this as Dybala will probably be stuck at Juventus. It’s not looking good for him. They are ruthless over there and he/the agent are going to have to deal with that.

Depends on the club perhaps. If PSG sure they would but I don't see Tottenham doing that. Wages would be more negotiable if you sell on other factors (ie being a consistent champions league club).

Also he's in a good position staying at Juve. The club will likely win more silverware which he will be a part of, and he holds out for a club he actually wants to play for (PSG, Real, Barcelona or whoever)
 
What top player is going to want to join us for the right reasons? People need to stop living in this fairytale. We are fecking rubbish, have been since 2012 now. Have spent a feck ton of money and are the 6th best team in England. These top players want to be winning champions leagues, not busting their balls to try and qualify for it, playing for an unproven manager, a board that continuously make terrible decision after terrible decision and a club that severely lacks direction.

The only way we tempt these players is with money, simple as. We offer money and the ability to build your brand. When it comes to football, there are far better places they can go to.
Good post. It seems that some of the Caf posters haven't really paid any attention these past years.
 
What top player is going to want to join us for the right reasons? People need to stop living in this fairytale. We are fecking rubbish, have been since 2012 now. Have spent a feck ton of money and are the 6th best team in England. These top players want to be winning champions leagues, not busting their balls to try and qualify for it, playing for an unproven manager, a board that continuously make terrible decision after terrible decision and a club that severely lacks direction.

The only way we tempt these players is with money, simple as. We offer money and the ability to build your brand. When it comes to football, there are far better places they can go to.

That's why we don't go for ready made top players. It's in part that stupid approach without any actual direction that got us here. We go for players on the cusp of greatness and sign them. It's not a fairy tail approach, it's pragmatic. The same pragmatism that brought Liverpool and Tottenham to the next level.

They didn't dick around with brands but rather they brought in Salah, Firminho, Mane etc. Us bringing in AWB and Maguire who will undoubtedly grow to better levels as they gain even more experience is the way forward.
 
Depends on the club perhaps. If PSG sure they would but I don't see Tottenham doing that. Wages would be more negotiable if you sell on other factors (ie being a consistent champions league club).

Also he's in a good position staying at Juve. The club will likely win more silverware which he will be a part of, and he holds out for a club he actually wants to play for (PSG, Real, Barcelona or whoever)

Yeah but you do qualify for the CL every season. It’s Tottenham ffs :lol:

Why would he feck up his career by going to them?
 
Yeah but you do qualify for the CL every season. It’s Tottenham ffs :lol:

Why would he feck up his career by going to them?

Laugh all you want but when they reach the Champions League final it sells more to a player than anything we can offer in footballing terms.
 
That's why we don't go for ready made top players. We go for players on the cusp of greatness and sign them. It's not a fairy tail approach, it's pragmatic. The same pragmatism that brought Liverpool and Tottenham to the next level.

They didn't dick around with brands but rather they brought in Salah, Firminho, Mane etc. Us bringing in AWB and Maguire who will undoubtedly grow to better levels as they gain even more experience is the way forward.

How is that any different to us signing players like Martial, Herrera, Dalot, Fred etc? These players are in the Salah etc. group of players but have underwhelmed here. It has nothing to do with how big the player's brand is, Liverpool signed very good players who were relatively unknown, had nothing to do with their status.

When you sign big players, you are buying ready quality. Them continuing to struggle here is on us rather than them, due to terrible management and a lack of structure.

You sign good players, you get better. These players are sought after because they've proven they are quality.
 
How is that any different to us signing players like Martial, Herrera, Dalot, Fred etc? These players are in the Salah etc. group of players but have underwhelmed here. It has nothing to do with how big the player's brand is, Liverpool signed very good players who were relatively unknown, had nothing to do with their status.

When you sign big players, you are buying ready quality. Them continuing to struggle here is on us rather than them, due to terrible management and a lack of structure.

You sign good players, you get better. These players are sought after because they've proven they are quality.

Literally none of those players are on the cusp on greatness. Bar Herrera they all had quite a few question marks for one reason or another.

We are taking far more educated guesses in our approach. They clearly need to be proven to a better degree before we go for them.

We threw 50m for Fred from the fecking Russian league was it? I mean, that's not the right approach :lol:
 
I honestly think we should give him 350 k and give him a chance. For a swap with Lukkaku it's a no brainer. He's serial champion and gifted. It might Di Maria all over again, but then if he doesn't work out we can sell him to PSG or something.
 
Laugh all you want but when they reach the Champions League final it sells more to a player than anything we can offer in footballing terms.

It’s still Tottenham. We will be back on the horse soon enough imo. We are a better option than Tottenham even without CL. But it’s okay, we might not be agreeing on that part.
 
I honestly think we should give him 350 k and give him a chance. For a swap with Lukkaku it's a no brainer.

But he doesn’t accept our offer which was (maybe still is) on the table. Also, his agent requires huge commission for doing nothing at all (if they waive commission request, it would be easier).
 
But he doesn’t accept our offer which was (maybe still is) on the table. Also, his agent requires huge commission for doing nothing at all (if they waive commission request, it would be easier).

Oh well seems case closed then. I personally think he would a great addition for our forward lilne.
 
I hope we get a real winger like Neres over the line. Fits our system & profile far more than Dybala for half the price.

Shame Van der Beek signed for Madrid. He seemed our type of signing too for a reasonable fee if we'd have got him early in the summer.

People crying about not signing Dybala obviously didn't grow up watching truly great players like Keane & Becks in '99 for us. Dybala is a nobody compared to some players we've seen at OT.
 
I honestly think we should give him 350 k and give him a chance. For a swap with Lukkaku it's a no brainer. He's serial champion and gifted. It might Di Maria all over again, but then if he doesn't work out we can sell him to PSG or something.
It’s not us, it’s him. He doesn’t want to come.
 
Now after Juventus management team has sold Kean to Everton, swap Cancelo with Danilo and got a good chunk of cash in the process with Mandzukic still for sale, I guess they might not need to sell Dybala after all.
 
Now after Juventus management team has sold Kean to Everton, swap Cancelo with Danilo and got a good chunk of cash in the process with Mandzukic still for sale, I guess they might not need to sell Dybala after all.

Those deals were always potentially happening and they were still looking to move Dybala on. He's going to stay not cause they want him to, but because noone else seems to want to fork out the cash required. PSG maybe if Neymar leaves, but I don't see him leaving.
 
I honestly think we should give him 350 k and give him a chance. For a swap with Lukkaku it's a no brainer. He's serial champion and gifted. It might Di Maria all over again, but then if he doesn't work out we can sell him to PSG or something.
Aside that (or possible more) His agent wanted £13m and on top he wanted imaging rights. Kinda makes him look very mercenary like, assuming any of the reports are even true.
 
It’s still Tottenham. We will be back on the horse soon enough imo. We are a better option than Tottenham even without CL. But it’s okay, we might not be agreeing on that part.

Maybe you are right, but it's a matter of how soon for a player turning 26 like Dybala. It would be quite a big leap of faith for him to spend his peak years at a club struggling to rebuild for the past 7 years.
 
Convenient excuse.

To no-ones surprise, the deal fell through because of the image rights. As we all know too well, the commercial interests trump the football side so once that was clear, the club wasn't interested anymore.

'Let me join your circus of a club in a different country, no CL to offer & inexperienced manager without wanting to be heavily compensated.' Pull the other one...

Anything else is just PR spin.
Assuming you were there during the negotiations?
 
I wonder why we did not sign Malcolm? The price was good and so is the player he is a natural RW. Bizarre.
 
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Pogba? Definitely flattered to deceive. Ibra - obviously not, but then if you actually read carefully, I did say almost all of them...
Well, why mention someone then? Why not just omit Ibra's name?

"We've had players like Scholes, Keane, Beckham, Chadwick and Giggs play for us - most of them legends."

As for Pogba, many believe he had his best season last time out. It's a bit harsh to include him in your list of flops and disappointments.
 
Don’t think this was the moment to make a moral stand tbh if that’s really what it was. If, and it’s a big if, we’ve walked away because of fees etc we are absolute imbeciles. He’s a perfect age, perfect profile, something we need badly.

If he wasn’t up for it and said no flat out then that’s another story.

Absolutely. In a time where we are losing Lukaku and replacing an old Mata and Lingard with TWO DAYS left of the transfer window, we should bend over backwards for a player of Dybala's profile. No argument there.
 
I reckon Bayern will end up signing him when our window has shut.

Could well be. If they buy Sane, i doubt they will go for Dybala. But if it falls through, then they are a realistic option. They need someone to appease the fans and they have 100m+ for a star player in their budget.

If Bayern dont go for him, then only PSG or maybe Inter can 'save' him, both look unlikely at the moment.
 
I like this, I agree! We are trying to plug the holes with what is out there and available to us.

As for the bold part, well that remains to be seen still. I would say they have tried to do enough, not definitely have.

From a transfers perspective, I would say yes. Now its up-to the management team to make sure it happens!

1. First of all James is left winger that could play on the right and not his primarily position. Second he's a youth player that would be eased in not a starter.
2. We can go in the season without a senior #9 if we sell Lukaku and if we don't buy a replacement, being unlikely considering how much time we have.
or 2b - go into the season with a player that was one foot out of the door as our senior striker.
3. Midfield was weakened and we didn't bring in any replacement.
4. We are still short in attack and #10 position considering it is how we are to play (4-2-3-1)
5. Maguire should've been bought last Summer for a much lower fee if it wasn't for Woodward.

So no, we haven't done well and it's another Woodward classic this transfer window. Wait we get desperate in the coming days to cap it off.

James is a right footed young winger. Has mostly played on the right during pre-season. If you don't classify that as a potential RW signing then you're being a bit unfair. He can play left, but the benefit of a player his age is to be able to use him tactically where it suits the team best.

Lukaku is no longer a starter for the club. Ole made that change last season itself. Yes, we may be a bit short on strike force if he is sold and no one else comes in, but it's clear that Ole is relying on Martial and Rashford to come good this season. You may think that's a folly, but it's been starting at our faces all pre-season. All our systems / tactical innovations are structured to get the best out of those two. Plus, i'd rather we play a few youngsters (Gomes and Greenwood) than give minutes to Lukaku (who really looks like he doesn't care that much anymore).

Midfield - i agree, but like I mentioned, keeping Pogba is a big plus.

Attack and No. 10 - This is basically a rehash of point 2. Don't agree there, we have enough players to play that position. You may not fancy them (Mata, Lingard, Periera, Gomes, Fred, Sanchez) - but we definitely arent short of bodies there. CB was clearly a bigger priority that this position.

5. Just because he wasn't bought last summer, does not mean getting the deal over the line this summer does not count as good business!
 
Well, why mention someone then? Why not just omit Ibra's name?

"We've had players like Scholes, Keane, Beckham, Chadwick and Giggs play for us - most of them legends."

As for Pogba, many believe he had his best season last time out. It's a bit harsh to include him in your list of flops and disappointments.
Again, if you bothered to read my reply and the message it was in response to, you'd get why I included him... The poster asked, why don't we go for quality, and I listed out those names and asked him the question, where did we end up?

That's all fine and dandy re Pogba if we bought him in 2018, but we didn't. We got him two years earlier and for his price tag and expectations, he's absolutely flattered to deceive.
 
Well it was not me who came up with ridiculous statements like where Juventus will finish in PL (and then shitting on their work, rebuilding from scratch after they were relegated to Serie B), you just can't take team and place in other league. You have to take out the benefits playing in the league too.

Well TV money is huge not because it's the most competitive league in the world, it's huge because it's the best marketed league in the world.

Bold part shows how ignorant you are. FYI, Juventus pisses all over Spurs in everything, history, trophies, elite level or whatever you call. You had your best period in 50-60 years and won feck all. Also sounds like a typical fan boy with head firmly in the arse. Reading your posts, now I understand why other league fans shit on PL fan boys.

Win feck all and use league strength excuse. When Serie A was by far the best league in the world and still the best league to ever exist when it comes to strength, Juventus won many league titles. You had Leicester winning PL and Spurs winning feck all.
Feck juve’s rebuild from serie B... What got Juve relegated to serie B in the first place? Could you just remind everyone?

He actually has one or two valid points - do you just assume all his points are baseless because of his name?
 
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