This aged well.
#GlazersOut
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Good post.
Can’t take Glazers seriously when they appoint Ed Woodward as chief executive. All about how much money they can make and not about winning trophies which is what it should be. Until we get these parasites out of the club the better. Once Glazers go Woodward will follow suit and you won’t hear about him again in the football circle. The guy is a Glazer stooge. Look what City have done, they have real football people making the decisions at the club and look at their team compared to ours.
You don’t hear their players wanting out to Madrid/Barca but at United it’s a usual occurrence. The players know once they arrive at United what the real deal is. Don’t blame Pogba for wanting to leave, he would stay 10 years if he was at City.
The appointment of Ed as CEO isnt an issue. The lack of appointment of a DOF is the issue.
Believe you me, if Ed leaves a bunch of teams would be looking to grab him to steer the commercial side of things. People don't give enough credit to him in that regard. United is keeping pace and sometimes beating the likes of Madrid and Barca in generating money when those 2 teams have had some of their most successful periods ever.
If she loses the shares who do you think gets them? Its hardly a secure, strategically planned future for the club shares is it?Largely I'd say.
But there's blame all round from Fergie, Gill all 3 managers thus far and some for Ed and Glazers too.
I'm well past being bothered to get riled up.
Just have to have a good chuckle at some of the most idiotic rhetoric to be found anywhere as arguments against the Glazers.
Case and point directly below.
The definition of a nothing story.
It doesn't affect the club in anyway! If she defaults, she looses the shares at their current price so if they’re worth a million now and she borrows the same value, it’s depends on the closing price on the day of default, so if they drop she will loose the shares and any assets /cash to cover the costs including interest.
Basically it's in the "Glazer out" sorts favor that she does in fact default cause she would lose some control at the club.
It's actually hilarious, you've folks posting about things they haven't a breeze about and trying to suggest its hurting the club, when in reality its not.
Your incessant defending of the Glazers is ridiculous enough for those 3 laughing smilies.
What, that the lack of consistent investment over the last 10-15 years has hurt our club long term? So when fans see the possibility of that changing they ease off the criticism?
Seems logical to me.
NB. Please read the word consistent before telling me we have spent.
The fact that one of our directors Ed Glazer funded Trump's election campaign, and still does, is enough for me to want these deplorables out of the club. Let alone spend any money on anything United-related.
I also have the same opinion on the oil-funded clubs like City and PSG. They're nothing more than a propaganda tool for their despicable owners.
I'm getting more and more disillusioned with so many aspects of modern football anyway, so feck them all.
I also have the same opinion on the oil-funded clubs like City and PSG. They're nothing more than a propaganda tool for their despicable owners.
I'm getting more and more disillusioned with so many aspects of modern football anyway, so feck them all.
Rich people donate to both parties btw, so nothing new there. Even Elon Musk donated to both democrats and republicans.
Another year of under investment and poor recruitment?
It's beyond me how anyone can defend these parasites. For a club to have the 3rd highest revenue in world football and for our net spend to be potentially 80 odd million is a joke after coming off a horrible season. Gone from challenging for titles to struggling to make top four. Can't see things getting any better with these clowns owning us. I hate saying this but if it takes another shit season to get these feckers out, I would gladly take it. Short term pain for long term gain.
because there's other discussion points for fans as news on a range of football and non-football topics emerges doesn't change the fact that we've been disgracefully managed by the Glazers
it just means theres something new to talk about - simple as that
if fans think that a swap deal is a vindication of Glazer ownership then they really dont understand the issue
Really?
Happy with what we have got so far, still need a decent midfielder, I certainly would not call £150m under investment and who we have signed as poor recruitment!
It is under investment if it's not enough and it's not enough. We still need a RW, CM and CF. You also omit the fact that Lukaku is most likely away which brings down the net investment to 75m and if Pogba goes, then we will actually make profit of around 50 to 75m. Not to mention what Fellaini brought in.Really?
Happy with what we have got so far, still need a decent midfielder, I certainly would not call £150m under investment and who we have signed as poor recruitment!
Yes our defense is sorted out for now, we can all be happy with that, but compared to the start of last season, we could have a weaker midfield (herrera and Fellaini both gone with no replacement) especially if Pogba goes. Up front we will also be weaker with Lukaku leaving and no replacement. That's before we factor in Matic, Mata, Young etc etc becoming that bit older which in turn makes them that bit slower and off the pace for what we need.
We are under invested!
But the rebuilding was never going to be done in 1 transfer window, more likely we will be better equipped in August 2021, it's good that the foundations have already been laid and we are building from the back
Personally I cannot see Lukaku and Pogba leaving this summer, more likely next summer for both. OGS will also have time to identify targets to replace those along with the other names you mention.
We have invested, the trouble is we have spunked most of the cash on average players!
Yes, under investment. To add to what the other poster said, we needed a minimum of 4 starters to come in and 4 or 5 out. Daniel James looks promising but he is a young player from the championship with potential, who will be eased in, like dalot.Really?
Happy with what we have got so far, still need a decent midfielder, I certainly would not call £150m under investment and who we have signed as poor recruitment!
So, we have signed 2 starters, half of the minimum requirement.
Yes, our defense has improved, but our midfield and attack is weaker. And we finished 6th, while Everton, wolves and Leicester look strong.
With the recruitment, I mean both ins and outs. We dragged out every transfer this summer, only to end up paying the initial asking price, when ole wanted most of his signings in by the start of pre season, and also, in the last week ole has mentioned that we were caught out by the transfer window closing earlier/running out of time. And we have moved no one on (except Herrera who was needed)
We finished 6th, again. We are top 3 in the world for revenue and fan base, Real Madrid had one poor season and spent 250m. Aston villa have spent over 100m.
Players like doucoure and Partey are available for 45m.
Definite under investment once again, like last season. If we sign a midfielder before the deadline it will be acceptable, but not convincing.
Then I would consider this summer a successful one in terms of where we want to head
We all knew from May this would be a huge rebuilding job but it needs to done over the course of 2 years (3 summer transfer windows in total) It's also encouraging that we seem to be learning from past mistakes in Dybala
I am quietly confident about this season that we are heading in the right direction, the investment will come in terms of the revenues we are now earning but it has to be sensible investment
We've been mismanaged on so many levels since the Glazers took over but a huge chunk of posters don't care about anything other than new signings. The stadium, youth team, structure, scouting could all fall into terminal decline but, a good transfer window would see Woodward become good ol' Woody in their eyes.
You know this is true and, if you deny or see your arse about it, chances are you're one of those fans.
Isn't a good transfer window actually what he's supposed to do. He can be defended on a number of issues, like finance and sponsors, but achieving success in transfers in and out has been far from acceptable. The dithering and attempts to prove he can bargain a price, seems to end the same way, paying the price asked initially, pi**ing off the seller and losing ground on other signings as it appears he can only do one thing at a time.
The Glazers are having a similar influence on Utd as they have had on Tampa Bay, underinvestment and little care factor for the sports side of the club. Woodward has certainly outlived his use by date if judged on DOF performance which he continues to keep as his responsibility
Yeah, fair enough, but anyone donating money to the Trump enabling Republicans at this point in history may kindly feck off in my opinion. Elon Musk included. Ed Glazer targeted raising $5 million specifically for Trump's reelection last year. Regardless of his motivation, business or politics, it makes him a horrible human being in my opinion.
Dead right. We just look like a poorly run club on lots of levels with them and Woodward in charge, while the debt is almost as high as it was when they bought the club 15 years ago.
Yes, agreed that a huge rebuild is needed. But we have to stick to consistent, required investment to target that. We under invested last year, and ended up signing the center back this year. We will under invest this year and so, instead of needing 4 players next year, we will need 6, which won’t happen. So, we’re falling behind every year.
I don’t see ambition from us.
yes that's what I said in my post?!
Straight to the crux of the issue. It's a part of what he's supposed to oversee but he's not the chief negotiator, Matt Judge is. And yeah, it's another part of the role that he seems unfit for, but it's the only part some posters use to gauge his worth. Which was my point.
Sorry, I thought you were disagreeing.
thats all just ifs and buts - as of now we have spent c£150m which is hardly under investment
for sure there is plenty to moan about in the running of our club and Woodward deserves plenty of criticism, but anyone moaning about the level of investment in this window thus far is just a spoilt transfer muppet
Well, another important part of the job is moving players on and accepting a fee, that in itself if done properly would ensure funds would be available and expenditure total reduced. Woody fails that test every window, that means outgoings are higher than almost every club in the top tier as surplus players remain on ridiculously high wages.
Utd are in the top 3 revenue earners and just don't use it wisely and in fact , expenditure should not even be an issue if Woody did the basics well. The team is still not balanced, and no sign of that being addressed by what is apparently the highest paid DOF/CEO in the EPL, crazy.
Exactly. There are people saying it's been a poor window now, who'd call it a great one if we signed Dybala or Eriksen. That's like having a really tasty 4 course meal but calling it tasteless shite until you've tried the pudding.
Not quite. It’s a decent window given what we needed. But rather like a class meal without the plate and cutlery .
Mostly true - although the defence has been addressed so we are going in the right direction at least, it will take more than 1 window for Ole to get to where he wants to be
The Matic effect.
We need them out, badly.
The situation is either:
A. Glazers are limiting our spending
B. Ed is just absolutely useless
Just depends which one is the truer statement
A. Glazers are limiting our spending
B. Ed is just absolutely useless
Just depends which one is the truer statement
Those two points are not mutually exclusive.
It's active again, I wonder why
Er. Both? Don't let Keefey/Ed tell you different.
Maybe now you can see Lukaku leaving
certainly it is A, Ed is just the well paid stooge.
Unless we produce some kind of miracle tomorrow, it will be very difficult to obtain top 4 with this team. This will more than likely end up with Solskjaer losing his job anyway so why not just publicly show up the owners and Woodward's lack of backing in the transfer market? At least he will have the fans backing him whatever the results on the pitch.
There a cringey brunofernandesmanunited hashtag on Twitter at the moment. Trying to work out the message from it but I think it is that Twitter couch potatos are better scouts than man United and know who to sign. If it was a few years ago it would have been william carvalho for 80m or renato sanches etc etc
I'd say that the players we purchased were pretty much ideal. But a lot needs to be done and maybe lack of funding will be how the window will be judged. But Maguire and AWB are very much good recruitments.
If I come home from work tomorrow and see that this thread has hit 40 pages or (quite likely) a lot higher, I'm gonna need a drink.