Criticize or praise the decision but I'm struggling to think of any govt. who hold a referendum whilst taking any big decision(exception the brexit of course).
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. I have read a lot of dumb things but this definitely takes the cake. Maybe next time people of India should ask Pakistan who to vote, that would make you lot happy.It should be clear from global reaction on Pakistan's overreaction to the whole incident. Reactions from U.N, O.I.C, China all are similar and have cautioned against the India's actions, but none have bought into Pak's OTT rhetoric. Even the Taliban has distanced itself from Pak rhetoric and requested Pak Govt to no conflate Kashmir and Afghanistan issues.
I'm not even Pakistani, every time someone say something you don't like you call them Pakistani, it's incredible like clockwork.
Has it ever worked. The last one (Brexit) was a disaster. What makes you think this will work. Trust me even Pakistan will never go for a referendum in Baluchistan. It never worked and never will.
China amazingly said nothing about the implications in Kashmir but said about Ladakh which they consider to be their own area. Amazing.
However the general global reaction has said nothing about the decision but the way it has been handled which I think is correct. I don't think normal people communication services should've been cut off. The anxiety would be too much.
Hey if the Taliban is on your side.
Un, Corbyn, and a few countries have criticised the human rights violations going on in the valley
Where did I say you are a Pakistani, it's like you like to make things up. You called people who voted for Modi as racist which makes zero sense. Also, where do you get this stupid ideology that all the people from India don't like Pakistani or even vice versa. Stop speaking from your a**
Modi is the leader of a hindu nationalist party, just like trump he has a lot of people who are racist or see Hindus superior to others as members.
Heck, he is a member of RSS which is a terrorist group with the same agenda. So he isn't wrong to say loads of racist people voted for trump.
And he didn't say everyone who voted for modi is racist, it's like you you like to make things up.
I think you are being very optimistic, I expect the violence to get worse esp with the military presence is ramped up even more than it already is. I think someone made a comparison with the Kurdish struggle and I think that's fitting comparison, both India and Pakistan should back off there, but that will never happen so the best solution imo would give the Kashmiris some degree of autonomy instead of trying control them and restricting them.
Should be obvious that neither would disrupt the Line of Actual Control in Aksai Chin irrespective of how the rest of situation goes. It's astable situation between India and China and both will be happy to retain status quo. Also Jaishankar is there in China now, so diplomatic relations should continue to hold good.
Unfortunately there is no ideal situation in this. We just have to make use of the best of the bad solutions and hope future will be better. Social Media induced mass panic is a legitimate concern to incite violence, but again I hope the services get restored soon.
Which is to be expected considering what is happening now. But the going ott and exaggerated nonsensical comparisons to Hitler/Nazism are rightfully ignored.
Hindu thinking Hindusim is superior is racist
It's a disputed area that's caused a lot of pain. A referendum makes perfect sense to me.
There is no need for that. Propaganda at its best.
And why is that?
How is saying that terrorist camps should be dismantled an example of racism? Are you saying that supporting terrorists is a characteristic of a particular race? I mean you say something which should be a bannable offence, and try to preempt that by putting in a comment about "incoming ban from KM". If you feel you're saying something for which you should be banned then you shouldn't say it.
Tell china to hold a referendum in tibet and adhere to south china sea referendums first.
Can pakistan tell that to their baby sitter china?
You guys are similar to every Pakistani who is kicked out of each and every forums on Kashmir citing those same old UN resolutions but no one has actually read it in the first place.
The first and second steps were on the behest of Pakistan to follow and were sequential. No wonder the even Muslim nations do not support Pakistan same old moaning crying and bitching to the world since 70 years.
Yes the big mysterious questionAnd why is that?
I expect that once the novelty/surprise wears off and way forward becomes clear, the curfew/restrictions will be lifted. There will still be increased army presence, but not to extent of disruption of daily life.
Honestly yes, I'm feeling optimistic about the region's future.
So is the rosy all is well, economic development picture you are painting.
If you can't see anything racist in the actions of modi bakhts then you are part of the problem.Hindu thinking Hindusim is superior is racist
So you accept Indias hold on Kashmir is similar to that of China's on those regions?
Sweepstakes on when this thread will get locked? I call 12 hours from now.
What an absolute car crash. Full banter with zero meaningful discussion.
What an absolute car crash. Full banter with zero meaningful discussion.
I don't expect the Indian army to leave there anytime soon, which for obvious reasons causes a lot of tension there. Resistance normally happens in these conditions.
It might make sense to you but in practicality no govt in this day and age will ever hold a referendum particularly after how brexit turned out.
No it acceded to India.. By the way I edited my post..and you should read the full version of it again.
Yeah that's what I said. It's like competition, posting dumb comments.
That point was stupid, nothing to do with Modi.
It is sad how this whole thread have come to religion and the whole idea coming from couple of Pakistani posters that India somehow hates Muslims is as absurd as it gets. Do they even realise many indians regard Abdul Kalam as their greatest president. On of our greatest musician is a hindu turned muslim A. R Rahman, one of our greatest and loved singer is Mohammad Rafi, most of the popular bollywood stars are muslim and they are loved by most of the indians. I can go on and on.
Saying the Indian Govt took a wrong step is one thing but accusing India as a terrorist country and saying people if India are racist and have hatred towards Muslim or any other religion is just bs and just shows how some people have a shallow mind.
Saying the Indian Govt took a wrong step is one thing but accusing India as a terrorist country and saying people if India are racist and have hatred towards Muslim or any other religion is just bs and just shows how some people have a shallow mind.
You can compare it to whichever other better or worse example, but no government will let go of any land, let alone one with such critical military and strategic value, with a referendum.
Was Burhan wani a terrorist? Simple question.
Which part acceded. Half of it is in Pakistan and a sizable population of the other half have suffered human rights crimes for decades now. Again, why are you so against the idea of a referendum that would bring stability and peace?
Well you clearly are winning it.
Kind of hard when you get accused of wumming or over reacting when posting bbc articles detailing what's happening in the region.
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Spot on by Tharoor(who incidentally should be Congress chief rather than the clowns right now which has ensured that BJP is practically the only nationwide party left)
e 22, a viral video did the rounds on social media in India. A young Muslim man tied up, bleeding profusely all over his body, hands folded, was being lynched by a mob that forced him to chant of ‘Jai Shri Ram’ and ‘Jai Hanuman.’ (Glory to Lord Ram and Lord Hanuman.)
The man, later identified as 24-year-old Tabrez Ansari, was beaten for hours until he died at the hands of a Hindu mob in the eastern state of Jharkhand. The death of Ansari, who married less than two months ago and is seen crying and begging for mercy in the video, has sparked protests in cities across India. His family says they were threatened by the police with a similar fate when they begged to get him treated while he was in custody, according to a report in The Wire. Police have arrested at least 11 people over the attack.
Ansari became the first victim of hate crime in the second term of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government. He is survived by a young wife who wants to know who in the country she can now turn to for justice. “My husband was my only support. Who will I live for now? I want justice,” she told the TV channel NDTV.
Just two days after the attack on Ansari, a 26-year-old Muslim teacher who taught in a religious seminary was thrown out of a train in the eastern state of West Bengal. Hafeez Mohammed Haldar was traveling when a mob chanted ‘Jai Shri Ram’ ( Glory to Lord Ram) and pushed him out of the train. Hafeez managed to escape death with minor injuries.
In the same week, on June 27, a Muslim cab driver, 25-year-old Faizal Usman Khan was beaten up by a group of men at night, barely minutes away from Mumbai, India’s celebrated cosmopolitan city. When Faizal begged for mercy, the men asked him to chant Jai Shri Ram, now a rallying cry for Hindu nationalists in the country.
The U.S. Commission for International Human Rights has condemned the lynching of Ansari, observing the recognizable pattern of hate crimes against minorities that marks India’s dangerous slide into a majoritarianism long dreaded by those who have observed Modi’s past on human rights. The USCIRF chairman Tony Perkins called for the Indian government to take action to prevent further violence. “We condemn in the strongest terms this brutal murder, in which the perpetrators reportedly forced Ansari to say Hindu chants as they beat him for hours.”
Soon after Modi was re-elected as the Prime Minister of India on May 23, he gave a conciliatory speech trying to reassure Muslims. But in the five years of Modi’s first term in power, hate crime against Muslims soared; data shows that some 90% of religious hate crimes in the last decade have occurred since Modi came to power.
But I suppose ar Rahman being a muslim makes it okay.
If you accept this is similar to China's hold on such region then that's understood. As long as people stop getting delusional about the situation with how rosy it is.
A question for some of you, what are your thoughts on the stuff happening in Hong Kong?
Good that you don't read your pathetic posts.Whole J and K acceded. 1965 Pakistan attacked India and broke the UN resolutions. So stop bringing a same old arguments like a child who can not get his own way.
This is like the surgical strike thread again where you read half a quote and go off on a tangent. I will stop replying until you learn to read the full thing in context.
It's not surprising when you see who is posting that nonsense.
So why are you against a referendum? (same question I keep asking and you can't reply)