They are like a recurring nightmare.
Has the Palace result finally woken us up to reality?
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I was listening to this on the radio as we were traveling. At 1-1 Chris Waddle stated matter of fact that United won't be threatening the top four this season. There was no hysteria or hyperbole about the statement (like, say, Gary Neville).
This is what people think of our squad. We've done nothing to address the midfield or the creativity.
This is what people think of our squad. We've done nothing to address the midfield or the creativity.
Whenever we lose, I go to Transfer forum, read the messages, imagine players like Sancho , Dybala, Bruno had signed for us ans we are on top of the table.
This really helps!!
This really helps!!
And everyone is questioning Solskjaer- how is this not Woodward’s fault
We knew it would be a top 4 battle.
IMO we have to break the team to rebuild it properly. The next few recruitment windows are going to be massively important.
I’d be far unhappier if we got out played, any team can defend for 90 minutes and sneak a counter attack goal.
We really need to learn how to beat deep lying defences, we’ve struggled ever since Fergie.
IMO we have to break the team to rebuild it properly. The next few recruitment windows are going to be massively important.
I’d be far unhappier if we got out played, any team can defend for 90 minutes and sneak a counter attack goal.
We really need to learn how to beat deep lying defences, we’ve struggled ever since Fergie.
When you've got Lingard playing first choice at 10 because the alternative is a past it Mata, that pretty much sums it up. And, let's face it, Martial is not good enough as number 9 either.
Most were aware when the transfer window closed. Slightly improved defence, didn’t replace the men lost from midfield and upfront.
This was always going to be a major struggle, especially with the extra games Europa brings.
This was always going to be a major struggle, especially with the extra games Europa brings.
Please tell me what's the difference between 'drinking the kool-aid' after a good result and starting stupid threads after a bad one?
The "haters unite" thread.
Calm the feck down.
Calm the feck down.
Agreeing or disagreeing
How anybody thought we had a good summer is beyond me.
People in the pre-match thread yesterday trying to claim we have depth cause Mata is on the bench.
There is no excuse for Greenwood to not feature in around 30 games this season. Chong & Gomes need game time too.
We aren’t winning much this season so giving youngsters opportunity is imperative.
People in the pre-match thread yesterday trying to claim we have depth cause Mata is on the bench.
There is no excuse for Greenwood to not feature in around 30 games this season. Chong & Gomes need game time too.
We aren’t winning much this season so giving youngsters opportunity is imperative.
The lack of attacking quality in our squad has been obvious for years. Rashford and Co might be able to run past defenders on the counter but they can't break down defences. We don't have a Silva or an Ageuro.
It's all a load of knee-jerk nonsense either way isn't it. Predictions have been made for the season, and generally it's around 4th-6th people are expecting United to end up.
A basic error a lot of posters make is assuming it's the same people they are referring to in each instance (eg "People said this, but now people are saying this" - mistakenly thinking they're the same people) when they're trying to make a point.
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Lay it on Betfair and give ridiculous odds, make millions
Except the ones that matter
All of this. Well said!
The reality was there in the Chelsea match. We just hoped the fluke result would give the players some confidence and self belief to put a run together and push for top four. It didn’t and now you begin to wonder how low things can go.
I've said it all along, we're overrating our academy products tremendously. They might come good eventually but they're nowhere near good enough to for the first team. Football is a lot harder these days, PL is incredibly competitive.
Hindsight is 20:20 but turning our noses up at Bruno Fernandes, Pepe, Dybala (at some faux outrage over money) and even Icardi is coming back to bite us in the arse. We are completely limp in attack and any of the above would've injected much-needed quality into our play in the final third. We are severely lacking a player that can produce something out of nothing.
Everything is far too predictable, and it is no surprise Wolves and Palace today kept us at arm's length with ease.
Everything is far too predictable, and it is no surprise Wolves and Palace today kept us at arm's length with ease.
They don’t give a feck in the first place. Their lives are punching figures into a calculator. Ole is too nice to rock the boat.
I really think we spent the whole pre-season switching to 4-2-3-1 on the assumption that we would sign a new #10, and a RW. I am sure Ole thought he would get one of Dybala, Eriksen or Bruno, and Sancho. And then found out what all our other managers found out, Woodward and Judge will lead them on and then hang them out to dry. Now he is stuck with Lingard, and no RW. He is trying to make do and stay positive, but it is what it is. He either adjusts to the reality of the failed signings and switches back to 4-3-3 or he goes Full Youth, and plays Gomes and Chong or Greenwood. Maybe even Garner instead of McTominay. I think they have a plan of gradually working them in to the team in the Europa and Cup games, but didn't expect the urgent need to do so before then, as had anticipated more new signings. The squad has been sabotaged before we even began the season. And Ole doesn't have time to stay loyal to failures and favourites. One bad run and he himself will be gone before he can imagine. We can't afford a poor start.
What reality? That we have a sub-par squad, a novice manager and will have to fight to maintain a top 6 position this season? People have been saying that all summer.
Aye, we knew since Sir Alex's days didn't we. Clear as day now
Couple of better penalties and basic competence from the ref and we've got 9 points and your thread does not exist.
Only thing the palace result woke me up from was thinking with two good defensive signings would end the gifts of goals to the opposition.
Since Fergie's retirement we have been waking up to this same groundhog day over and over again. The reality is we have a lack of quality to create enough clear cut chances or have clinical enough finishers in the team. The lack of leadership on whatever starting 11 is selected in this once great club is hard to believe (just think of all the leaders that led this club to many victories and titles) but it is what it is and when things go bad this group of players fold easier than a pack of cards.
Letting Lukaku,Fellaini,Herrera (i only wanted to keep the latter) go without replacements brought in just highlights how poorly run the club is as is the case with letting contracts run down (DeGea) or giving ridiculous wages to players that aren't worth it. Its a long season ahead, hope i'm proven wrong but i can't see a improvement on last seasons 6th place finish.
Since Fergie's retirement we have been waking up to this same groundhog day over and over again. The reality is we have a lack of quality to create enough clear cut chances or have clinical enough finishers in the team. The lack of leadership on whatever starting 11 is selected in this once great club is hard to believe (just think of all the leaders that led this club to many victories and titles) but it is what it is and when things go bad this group of players fold easier than a pack of cards.
Letting Lukaku,Fellaini,Herrera (i only wanted to keep the latter) go without replacements brought in just highlights how poorly run the club is as is the case with letting contracts run down (DeGea) or giving ridiculous wages to players that aren't worth it. Its a long season ahead, hope i'm proven wrong but i can't see a improvement on last seasons 6th place finish.
If we had bagged that penalty do you think we would have won?
Definitely. Do you not?
Worst thing the players could do is believe a narrative that they're not good enough, etc. Absolutely, small margins decide matches and so far 4 points from 9, with those performances, feels harsh.
People wil go on about how much money we spent this Summner but 130 of the 150 million was spent on 2 players from other premier league clubs(which probobally doubles the price).
The 2 mentioned was the absolute bare minimum of what the squad needed even without the departures of Fellaini,Herrera ,lukaku and possibly Sanchez.
Not replacing at least 3 of the 4 departures with quality but instead relying on youth players plus the inconsistent rashford,martial,lingard is classic glazer "let's do it on the cheap and hope to bag 4th spot"(they've also hired a manager who won't kick up much of a fuss and the fans will be reluctant to turn on).
Untill the glazers sell up the best we can all hope for is the odd domestic pot.
The 2 mentioned was the absolute bare minimum of what the squad needed even without the departures of Fellaini,Herrera ,lukaku and possibly Sanchez.
Not replacing at least 3 of the 4 departures with quality but instead relying on youth players plus the inconsistent rashford,martial,lingard is classic glazer "let's do it on the cheap and hope to bag 4th spot"(they've also hired a manager who won't kick up much of a fuss and the fans will be reluctant to turn on).
Untill the glazers sell up the best we can all hope for is the odd domestic pot.
I mean we got a late equalizer and still proceeded to lose.
I don't think anything is definitive with us nowadays.
We were absolutely screwed today by the ref. We missed a pen and the keeper had a howler. To say we were unlucky would be a huge understatement.
Watching that game I was surprised we equalised
Score 2 penalties and we wouldn't have this thread. However I can't help but feel this thread would have just been delayed rather than deleted.
The truth is Ole has had the right intentions with an aggressive rebuild of the team but he's really just created a group of mediocre skilled yes men footballers. If Pogba doesn't show up we finish 8th.
Pogba shows up and Martial stays fit - we might just scrape 5th.
The truth is Ole has had the right intentions with an aggressive rebuild of the team but he's really just created a group of mediocre skilled yes men footballers. If Pogba doesn't show up we finish 8th.
Pogba shows up and Martial stays fit - we might just scrape 5th.
De Gea has a recurring habit of handing points away these days. It's hard to feel secure. But I think we would have finished the job.
The problem is before the season started we knew we needed:
RW,
CM,
Another LB.
Our attack lacks because Shaw doesnt want to overlap often or get to the byline (and passes back often). We dont have a RW who can go down the line and cross. Apart from Pogba, we dont have creativity in the middle so rely so much on Pogba he can be marked out the game and thus become frustrated (which negates the pace we have up top).
Thats still a few good amount of positions to get in having already bought a CM, RB and right footed LW (who shouldnt be a starter imo). It feels like weve bene behind in the transfer window since Moyes came in and havent caught up. We needed 6 signings but we didnt get it. By next summer, even if we get those three, I reckon we will also need another DM, another CB and possibly another striker.
The funny thing is as most people said, if we score the penalty vs wolves we probably win. If we score the penalty today, we probably go on and win (maybe). But we do have an issue of creating from open play right now from out wide on the right and through the middle.
RW,
CM,
Another LB.
Our attack lacks because Shaw doesnt want to overlap often or get to the byline (and passes back often). We dont have a RW who can go down the line and cross. Apart from Pogba, we dont have creativity in the middle so rely so much on Pogba he can be marked out the game and thus become frustrated (which negates the pace we have up top).
Thats still a few good amount of positions to get in having already bought a CM, RB and right footed LW (who shouldnt be a starter imo). It feels like weve bene behind in the transfer window since Moyes came in and havent caught up. We needed 6 signings but we didnt get it. By next summer, even if we get those three, I reckon we will also need another DM, another CB and possibly another striker.
The funny thing is as most people said, if we score the penalty vs wolves we probably win. If we score the penalty today, we probably go on and win (maybe). But we do have an issue of creating from open play right now from out wide on the right and through the middle.
Martial skinned both CBs to be through on goal twice and got dragged down both times. Ref does his job and it's a sending off and a penalty. If he's not dragged down he scores two. He also assisted James and great hold up/link play for McTomminays pen.
What more could you really expect?
110% this
It is painfully obvious that when Pogba gets into that attacking midfield area we look much much more inventive and dangerous. Pogba is not a defensive midfielder, why Ole has changed his position since he took over I have no idea. I still don’t trust Matic so my only hope is that Fred comes in and shows why we paid 50M for him.
Drop Lingard ffs. He can make a decent impact sub if we need legs late on in games.
Ideally play 433
DDG
Back 4
Fred Mctom
Pogba
James Rashford
Martial
yeah I think we will struggle to get close to 4th and the hope has faded
our seasons success rests on;
our seasons success rests on;
- Rashford stepping up and becoming a 20 goals a season striker (unsure)
- Martial doing the same (unlikely)
- Pogba developing more consistency, presence and responsibility (nah so far)
- McTominay fulfilling an effective DM role (not really)
- Lingard justifying why we didnt need someone like Bruno Fernandes (lol)
- Mata making meaningful impacts (nope)
- James making a real impression (decent so far)
- defence and De Gea tightening up (maybe but what happened today)
It's incredible to think that over £600 million has been spent to get a team as poor as this!!