Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake
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Utter nonsense! I am not an Ole-outer but forgive me, Ole is the manager, coach, in-game strategist, tactician, talent manager, first team selector, squad rotator, motivator and mentor of the United squad. What exactly do you hold Ole accountable for if not that which he is paid to do? If Ole is not capable of performing this role, why was he offered the job? And if he cannot do it why does he remain in the role? If Ole were not a United legend and someone else not only would he never have been appointed in the first place, by now United fans would be calling for his sacking.
People seem to have suspended common-sense rather than hold Ole accountable for that which is plainly his responsibility. Are you seriously suggesting that we need £70m worth of central midfield investment to beat Crystal Palace at Old Trafford?
I want Ole to be given time but my patience is not inexhaustible. I do not expect United to win the Premier League and frankly I am not expecting a trophy this season either. However, I am expecting top four and if Ole proves incapable of delivering it he should rightly be asked to step aside and give the opportunity to someone who can.
Really, don't waste your breath here trying to defend Ole and talk any bit of sense. Even if Ole wins the league this year with United, a good portion of the caf will still call him "clueless", "puppet", "no footballing brain" and continue sucking Pep and Klopp's you know what.What the actual?
How has Sanchez been on sale for years and years? Sanchez is here a single year.
It's amazing how many folks take everything he says as the gospel truth! He isn't going to publicly slate a player he wants rid of, what's the point?
LVG sold a tonne of players as well, sadly his investments weren't the best either. Ole is doing something Jose refused to do, sell deadwood. It's not down to the board, its down to the manager.
Of course they weren't cause Jose refused to sell him.
Darmian and his agent both requested for a move back home to Italy and he refused it.
You really do refuse to give Ole any credit it all, how utterly sad and pathetic.
This!!
Getting rid off Fellaini,Valencia,Lukaku,Herrera,Sanchez,Smalling and Darmian is that not a sign of a manager that's not afraid to make big desicions? Is a manager that's giving more young players a chance not brave? OGS is as ruthless as they come, he just manages to do that without being a prick.
Ruthless!!!! Hahahaha! Amazing. The levels of mediocrity our fans are settling for knows no bounds. Fecking Ruthless .... I can't even wrap my head around it
Did you never see OGS the player and how ruthless he was? Do you think that is still not a part of his charachter? But of course you know better despite all those having worked with him describe him in that way. Are you perhaps unhappy about those players offloaded? OGS is cleaning up the transfer mess off previous seasons and placing his faith in youth. That is a mark of a man unafraid of taking big desicions.
At least he is cleaning up other managers' mess.
Still lot of poor signings from Jose's time need clearing up - Bailly, Matic, Lindelof and Fred (the latter two can play for a season or two before judging them properly)
Rojo, Young, Jones, Mata, Matic and Bailly need to be shipped whenever we get a chance.
Amazing that we let go 6 players over the last two windows yet we have equal amount of cleanup to do. And we need to add quality ones as well. Its gonna take at least 3 summer transfer windows to sort this mess out.
Still lot of poor signings from Jose's time need clearing up - Bailly, Matic, Lindelof and Fred (the latter two can play for a season or two before judging them properly)
Rojo, Young, Jones, Mata, Matic and Bailly need to be shipped whenever we get a chance.
Amazing that we let go 6 players over the last two windows yet we have equal amount of cleanup to do. And we need to add quality ones as well. Its gonna take at least 3 summer transfer windows to sort this mess out.
The man doesn't have a plan. He's going to leave us in terrible shape. I fail to understand what logic there is to some of these decisions. No issue playing youngsters but they must at least have the ability to be United quality one day. Whats the point of McT starting games? what's the point of having Lingard starting? What's the point of James starting? how can a top club leave a transfer window with these lads in its starting line up.
At this rate the mess will never be sorted out. Our transfer strategy really is all oved the place. We refuse to sign foreigners and somehow think the likes of James will be part of a title challenging side. Its almost like we as a club are living i our own world.
Hypothetically, if we didn't appoint Ole and Poch wasn't available, who would everyone have wanted?
I’ll guess every hipster will say Sacchi
If Rashford gets injured god save us.
Eric was looking in decent shape
Eric Ten Hag
I agree with RooneyLegend. It is only because of who he was as a player that he is getting such a ride. It is well and good to get rid of players who are not of United quality but surely anyone with a brain will know that you also need to replace those players with better options? yes we got rid of Fellaini and Herrera and now Lukaku and Smalling but whom did he get to replace any of them? None. Absolutely none. Yes you can talk about Greenwood and Gomes and Taunzabe etc but none of them has shown YET they are good enough to play for a top club. It is utter madness to to trust them to be the backbone of United right now when they have not even played more than a few games in the EPL.
92 was a different story as we had the best keeper, the best CB pairing at that time, the best full back at that time, the best midfield player and the best striker at that time playing for us. We only have Pogba now.
92 was a different story as we had the best keeper, the best CB pairing at that time, the best full back at that time, the best midfield player and the best striker at that time playing for us. We only have Pogba now.
Think as a club we attract far too many entitled, average, casual football fans, it’s one of our biggest problems. Fans with little to no grasp of football who have opinions on things they know next to nothing about.
People will actually moan at Ole for not criticising his players publicly and also moan when Mourinho does criticise them.
Also praising managers and players of rival teams constantly, what’s all that about? Who do you support again?
Ole is doing the best with what he has got currently. He could have had lots of rows with the board behind the scenes about signings but he’s a club legend and a Manchester United fan. He won’t bad mouth the club, players and staff in public, he won’t do what some of you do constantly on here, Create a toxic atmosphere.
If you want to have a go at anyone over signings have a go at the board. The window is over now and he has to get on with it.
What is it you want from him? Sanchez gone, Smalling gone, Darmian gone, Lukaku gone, Ashley Young, Jones, Rojo are not regular starters. We are in a much better position than when he took over after that horrible 3-1 defeat at Anfield one of the lowest points in the clubs recent history.
People need a reality check that we are currently a Europa league team that is trying to get top 4, you may not like it but that’s the position we are in. Give the man time and let’s see what he builds. If we don’t sign anyone next year go after the board but we have to work with what we have now. No use constantly bashing the manager and certain players, it achieves nothing.
People will actually moan at Ole for not criticising his players publicly and also moan when Mourinho does criticise them.
Also praising managers and players of rival teams constantly, what’s all that about? Who do you support again?
Ole is doing the best with what he has got currently. He could have had lots of rows with the board behind the scenes about signings but he’s a club legend and a Manchester United fan. He won’t bad mouth the club, players and staff in public, he won’t do what some of you do constantly on here, Create a toxic atmosphere.
If you want to have a go at anyone over signings have a go at the board. The window is over now and he has to get on with it.
What is it you want from him? Sanchez gone, Smalling gone, Darmian gone, Lukaku gone, Ashley Young, Jones, Rojo are not regular starters. We are in a much better position than when he took over after that horrible 3-1 defeat at Anfield one of the lowest points in the clubs recent history.
People need a reality check that we are currently a Europa league team that is trying to get top 4, you may not like it but that’s the position we are in. Give the man time and let’s see what he builds. If we don’t sign anyone next year go after the board but we have to work with what we have now. No use constantly bashing the manager and certain players, it achieves nothing.
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I think it’s good that the deadwood is getting cleared, that doesn’t mean OGS is a great coach though. There was areal chance of getting Pochettino and it’s staggering to me that United didn’t take it.
Right? Not that I disagree with his decisions, but it's a fairly obvious course of action for anyone with a sane, rational mind. It's hardly "ruthless."
Well Lukaku wasn’t shite that season. Sure he had issues: inconsistent touch, poor against top sides, a long dry spell. But he banged in a goodish number of goals and contributed a lot in his general play. It wasn’t unreasonable to expect that with better service he would score more the following season. Instead he turned out into a walrus over the summer, Jose/the club did nothing about it and the rest is history.
Sanchez on the other hand did sod all to help us to second. If we hadn’t signed him the gap would have been less than 19 points.
Quite possibly.
I just think he wasn't up to it, he didn't have it in him to build the squad. He was all for splashing the cash, but putting the work in to sell and raise funds? No chance!
He is doing his job, our style of play is slowly changing. It's not going to magically fix itself over night or even a few months. Pep and Klopp both struggled at the start as much as Ole did so yes it is entirely fair to say they would also struggle with our current problems.
The squad has been stripped right back, he's putting the pressure on the young lads to step up as is right and if they don't they will slowly start to address the areas where they are failing.
Pep's billion euro assembled squad lost 3-2 at home in December to guess who? Palace!
https://www.premierleague.com/match/38484
All teams can have an off day, it happens. We deserved to win last Saturday, it wasn't as if Palace dominated the game and humiliated us. We had 22 chances with 3 shots on target, a missed penalty and another blatant penalty claim ignored.
It's what they call a bad day at the office.
Inexhaustible?
It's 24 league games for god sake! Are you forgetting the absolute s*it show he inherited from Jose? In Jose's last game a premier league record was set with Liverpool recording the most shots in a game against an opponent. Our fitness levels were non existent. Player power rife with confidence utterly shot. Mix all that with over paid and under performing players with youth players ignored in their favor.
This is before we get into the travesty of a transfer structure that's been rolled out year after year. The boring and archaic playing style that is anti United.
But sure yeah, at 24 games he's "exhausted" our patience and should have righted all those wrongs and have us reborn as Barca circa 2009!
And just for the record here is his PL record to date, its absolutely acceptable when compared to his predecessors and our rival managers in Klopp & Pep, arguably the two best managers in world football right now.
For me, if multi billion Sainsbury's or Tesco wanted to appoint a CEO of their worldwide operations, they aren't appointing a person who owns a few corner shops across Manchester even if they were successful or he once worked for them and was liked. If that was the case why not appoint Bruce or Hughes who have more managerial experience as ex players at the club....because it would be completely ridiculous. Yes Pep and Zidane came with little experience but look how long they were associated with their respective clubs before getting the opportunity and the teams that inherited had some of the best players to ever lace up a pair of football boots.
Multi Billion £ Utd have appointed a very likeable man from the equivalent of division one side. Can you imagine if we actually appointed the manager who won the division one? Or replaced Pogba with the best midfielder from Division one? If it's not cause he was a player, why not appoint the West Ham PL winning manager? Or the bright young Bournemouth manager who's kept them in the league playing good football and young players? What about Rafa and his CV? I hear the new Leicester manager was great over here before moving to Scotland ...because it would be seen as ridiculous.
I also want him to have the time but as fans we know when something it's right or doesn't make sense. I'm all for getting rid of deadwood but the timing of it when it's impossible to replace them? Why couldn't these deals be made whilst our window was still open? We have an inexperienced manager with the thinnest, inexperienced, lack of quality and depth than I can remember. Lots of question marks that remain unanswered? Even if we are investing in the youth, why aren't enough of them been given playing time even coming off the bench? I honestly don't know if they are good enough to make the transition to first team football especially when you consider the lack of leadership and quality around them. This isn't the team the class of 92 came into.....
For me it's quite a scary time being a Utd fan at present....
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I think that finaly there is some one that thinking that lots of players are not good enough for unuted so they no longer needed, problem is they dont wanna go proly because money is good and they will not get that anywere else. Lots of things need to bee done but it takes time. We will se how things will go with young lads an will they grab they chances. For me this season is most important to finaly see clear tactic vision and direction for future how to play.
You dont want a top proven manager
You dont want a young unproven manager
Just say it you want poch. Stop beating around the bush and get to the point.
Before we get poch this division in the fans will not help the team.
You dont want a young unproven manager
Just say it you want poch. Stop beating around the bush and get to the point.
Before we get poch this division in the fans will not help the team.
Hes got rid of deadwood and players he doesnt want (obviously cant get rid of everyone in one go)
Hes brought in his own players and will continue to do so. He'll have us playing more attacking than Jose did and playing Martial up top will be a big difference
More youngsters will be on the bench and have more of a chance at 1st team football. Im not going to say he will get us where we need to be but hes made a lot decisions already and we just need to allow him to continue to make them and see where it goes.
The signings hes made wont be detrimental to the club if he eventually moves on
Hes brought in his own players and will continue to do so. He'll have us playing more attacking than Jose did and playing Martial up top will be a big difference
More youngsters will be on the bench and have more of a chance at 1st team football. Im not going to say he will get us where we need to be but hes made a lot decisions already and we just need to allow him to continue to make them and see where it goes.
The signings hes made wont be detrimental to the club if he eventually moves on
You will see where Ole will leave us at the end of his tenure.
To answer your question - in a better position than Moyes and Ole.
When will it stop being the managers fault? We've had some great managers and they have failed...got to be more than just the manager. What about the guys above the managers? When do they become accountable???
Just mistake after mistake with Woodward. We should've signed Jose when Fergie retired, he was openly clamouring to come to United. We would've gotten the signings in his first season - Fabregas, Diego Costa, Felipe Luis and Willian. Instead we got Moyes, and Fellaini and Mata.
Then the flukiest of wins against PSG and Ole gets the job full time. Im starting to believe by the time Oles done no one will actually want to come manage here.
Ruthless?
The first 2 are only on a year's loan, and that's before you have that uncomfortable feeling that Smalling might actually be better than Lindelöf, whilst without doubt is better than all bar Maguire.
Plus it's pretty likely Smalling has made the choice to go. A ruthless manager would have sold him.
Darmian's still here isn't he? About 2 years beyond when we should have shipped him!
Those above the manager are at fault mate. No one is denying that. They are at fault for appointing those managers at the first place.
But when the manager has 19% win record since he has been appointed he has no place at a top club.
What makes you think there's any chance Matic goes in Jan?
I can see Young staying another year as well. We're a club who signed Jones and Mata on again with fairly decent lengthed deals.
We are fecked.
Woodward won't sack him, he won't lose face like this after extending him just 6 months ago.
Woodward won't sack him, he won't lose face like this after extending him just 6 months ago.
Agree. I'm not going to say Ole is the correct man, as he hasn't really shown anything to suggest that he is. However, when comes the point that changes above the manager are made? It is becoming more and more apparent that any manager you put in charge whilst Ed and Glazer's are there, the manager will fail.
Who's fault is that when neither Rashford nor Martial are #9? We had 2 players capable in aerial attack, but Ole sold both of them. We have no players capable of receiving cross inside the box so we have no Plan B. Our only attack format is to rely on opponent making mistake, whether in MF for counter-attack, or inside the box for Penalty. There were no 3 against 2 type of movement at all. i.e. our tactics is 1 dimensional and 1 trick pony.
At this point, I'd rather sack the players than the manager.
If course you are right. The fact that Woodward appointed a rookie at the first place to be in charge of a rebuild says volumes about his credentials.
One positive is James, AWB and Maguire - I do think those three will be successful.
Solskjaer is not the problem, but a symptom of how terribly the club is being run by owners who are totally unwilling to invest properly in us.
Yes they spent a few bob a couple of years ago once or twice, but it was spent terribly and our transfer windows since the summer of 17/18 demonstrate how little they trust themselves and the management to get it right in the market.
Until there is a change in ownership and direction then there is no point in fans blowing hot and cold on our flavour of the month managerial desires.
We're of no interest to any world class manager right now, and anyone who would take the job under the current climate wouldn't fair any better than Ole.
Yes they spent a few bob a couple of years ago once or twice, but it was spent terribly and our transfer windows since the summer of 17/18 demonstrate how little they trust themselves and the management to get it right in the market.
Until there is a change in ownership and direction then there is no point in fans blowing hot and cold on our flavour of the month managerial desires.
We're of no interest to any world class manager right now, and anyone who would take the job under the current climate wouldn't fair any better than Ole.
Agreed. They have been decent so far. Ole has done some real good things, such as these 3 players and rejuvenating the youth set up a bit. Giving all a pattern of play, which we have been doing so well with.
I just hope the Glazer's and Ed go, get in Edwin, Paul Mitchell and a manager like Nagelsmann or Rose.
Ole isn't reasonable for anything, he's just a poor boy from a poor family, Woodward and the Glazers are taking advantage of him and poor Ole can't walk away he's only getting paid £7m a year, how will he feed his family.
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