Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Laughable? We play decent till half time. Have the lead and then come out playing like underdogs. We just got lucky Southampton got a player sent off. They looked more likely at that time.

I mean the posts acting as if OgS should carry the can for everything as if these players haven’t proven to lack character for years.

OgS likely didn’t inspire the team to feel invincible but he also doesn’t ask DDG, Lindelof, Andreas, Mata etc. to be so inept.

Blame him for his team choice by all means but it’s not as if he’s picking Andreas over peak Robben on the right wing.

He lacks options, which also doesn’t help his lack of skillset.

I’m a firm believer that great players often mask a managers flaws [every manager has those]. The trouble is we have neither the players nor coaching staff to elevate the other.

Are you saying Pep Guardiola would not do a better job managing us than Ole? Are you actually saying that?

Yours is the most laughable of all. Ole is worse than Moyes, don’t even try to say Pep couldn’t do any better than him as it’s a ridiculous statement. We got someone just because he is smiling, not because of his managerial abilities.

I’m genuinely sick to the death of the wilful ignorance people use when quoting posts to try to assert some superiority.

Pep, in fact even Fergie, do not suddenly make Jesse Lingard into Zidane or Lindelof into Rio; the players do not have the talent or capacity. It won’t make 34 y/o Ashley Young a world class Full Back either.

I did not say Pep wouldn’t do better. I did not say Pep is not a better manager. I did not say Pep wouldn’t “do better”, we’re the 6th best team in England there’s plenty of scope.

What I will say is no manager in football could win a league with our squad, multiple may do ‘better’ though.

I’m going to begin using the mute function on here because by no means am I always right - infact I’m more than likely mostly wrong but mis-quoting someone about the validity of Pep vs OgS is the stupidest thing I have endured on this site [& that includes the Pogba thread].

I’ve seen enough of a number of these players under multiple managers to know they are not good enough; I am yet to see OgS fail with a World Class side.

OgS isn’t the man imo but calling for him to leave so we can start this whole charade again is laughable.

He will do neither. He has a huge compensation to lose if he resigns voluntarily and secondly he is a gentleman and will not bad-mouth the owners. He even said he was happy with the squad after our transfer window. How do you expect him to change the tune now?

The trouble is I don’t think he will change the tune. It’s his dream job & regardless of the circumstances he will persist till his sacking.

Don’t get me wrong, he isn’t a victim here. He’s a well paid ex-United player who has lucked his way ino a job a the world’s [former] biggest club.

What I find laughable are people calling for him to be fired as if Poch, Pep etc. are banging at our door to come in.

We need to become a more attractive prospect to not only players but managers & coaches.

 

[Enigma_87]

Eventually yes over the last 3 years, but... in his first summer there (16-17) he didn't exactly set the world alight with massive signings.

Sane was arguably his top signing that summer. Stones was a big investment but hasn't really stepped up as yet, this years a massive year for him and he'll probably still be a bit part player.




Again, your comparing 3 seasons vs 1 single summer. It takes time and our issues were never going to be all fixed in a single summer. Talk abut instant gratification or what!



Actually its quite similar.

Pep, like Klopp also offloaded expensive players eating away at their wage bill, from Bony, Nevas, Nasri, Kolarov, Zabaletta and quite a few others.

It trims the fat sort of speak and frees up funds for investments that actually suit the managers needs.

Just for reference, here's there transfer history and you see a lot of ageing and expensive players moved on and younger talents invested in. The average age of their squad also dropped from his debut season to his 2nd season by approx 4 years if memory serves right.

https://www.transferleague.co.uk/manchester-city/english-football-teams/manchester-city-transfers

I’m on holidays mate but you bring up some good points. Will try to answer to those when I get my hands on a laptop.

The core issue again is what we have saw today. We don’t have plan B or remotely good enough squad to start a season let alone finish one. Rebuilding is not done like this. If you don’t have the funds you have to improve the players you already have until you get the chance to show them the door.

 

[johanovic]

We had two that we have sold because apparently we are happy with our current options and no replacements.

So you think 104 kg striker that was according to himself to big last season and the worst transfer in Man Utd history would have made us better today?

 

[GlastonSpur]

It's not the thread to start this bullshit with you but feck off and come back when you win a trophy. United are a shambles and have still won more since SAF retired than you lot have in 40 years.

Massive club. The mighty Tottenham Hotspur. Fecking hell.

It's not bullshit. You need to deal with the fact that Pochettino has long preferred to stay with Spurs rather than come to United.

 

[sammsky1]

So who out of the players we sold or were not playing today do you miss or would be better?

The culling was ok.

I’d have preferred to keep Lukaku and designed the team to get best out of him, and not Rashford who is even worse.

But we are seeing impact of ridding of Lukaku Sanchez Fellaini Herrera without replacement.

 

[Paxi]

Mourinho for all his faults was the best of the lot.

 

[Sterling Archer]

There was a moment in the second half where lingard punted the ball up field blindly for rashford to chase and I heard one of Ole or Phelan or both yell "great ball great ball". Awful stuff.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

So you think 104 kg striker that was according to himself to big last season and the worst transfer in Man Utd history would have made us better today?

Yes because that's the state of our squad.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I mean the posts acting as if OgS should carry the can for everything as if these players haven’t proven to lack character for years.

OgS likely didn’t inspire the team to feel invincible but he also doesn’t ask DDG, Lindelof, Andreas, Mata etc. to be so inept.

Blame him for his team choice by all means but it’s not as if he’s picking Andreas over peak Robben on the right wing.

He lacks options, which also doesn’t help his lack of skillset.

I’m a firm believer that great players often mask a managers flaws [every manager has those]. The trouble is we have neither the players nor coaching staff to elevate the other.




I’m genuinely sick to the death of the wilful ignorance people use when quoting posts to try to assert some superiority.

Pep, in fact even Fergie, do not suddenly make Jesse Lingard into Zidane or Lindelof into Rio; the players do not have the talent or capacity. It won’t make 34 y/o Ashley Young a world class Full Back either.

I did not say Pep wouldn’t do better. I did not say Pep is not a better manager. I did not say Pep wouldn’t “do better”, we’re the 6th best team in England there’s plenty of scope.

What I will say is no manager in football could win a league with our squad, multiple may do ‘better’ though.

I’m going to begin using the mute function on here because by no means am I always right - infact I’m more than likely mostly wrong but mis-quoting someone about the validity of Pep vs OgS is the stupidest thing I have endured on this site [& that includes the Pogba thread].

I’ve seen enough of a number of these players under multiple managers to know they are not good enough; I am yet to see OgS fail with a World Class side.

OgS isn’t the man imo but calling for him to leave so we can start this whole charade again is laughable.


The trouble is I don’t think he will change the tune. It’s his dream job & regardless of the circumstances he will persist till his sacking.

Don’t get me wrong, he isn’t a victim here. He’s a well paid ex-United player who has lucked his way ino a job a the world’s [former] biggest club.

What I find laughable are people calling for him to be fired as if Poch, Pep etc. are banging at our door to come in.

We need to become a more attractive prospect to not only players but managers & coaches.

Unfortunately the manager does take the can for players failings
We will not be an attractive prospect to players and managers while we are being run by Woodward and Co. Think this transfer window will have opened a few peoples eyes. Yes it is good to get rid of those players, but to not replace them with better was negligent.

 

[Dec9003]

Honestly, any other PL manager probably. There was a reason why he failed in Cardiff and went back to Molde without having offers to stay in England.

Thats not a real suggestion though, all I'm asking for is a manager who plays a good brand of football, has a decent CV and is available right now.
If anyone can provide a name, then ill agree Ole should be replaced.

 

[sammsky1]

So you think 104 kg striker that was according to himself to big last season and the worst transfer in Man Utd history would have made us better today?

Stop with the hyperbole

 

[Handsome Devil]

We are only four games in and it's easy to have a knee-jerk reaction.....but I am kind of worried about when the injuries start to kick in, coupled with Thursday night commitments.

 

[Enigma_87]

So you think 104 kg striker that was according to himself to big last season and the worst transfer in Man Utd history would have made us better today?

I think you replace a 70-80m striker with another senior player when you don’t need him.

Even if you can’t - yes. Lukaku has scored 7 in 7 against Soton including 3 in the last two games last year. So yes - better than bringing a 17 years old that has barely some minutes at PL level.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Turning us around back to Moyes.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think he’s probably not quite good enough for a team with aspirations of getting into the CL. We’ll never know though. Because he’s going to get sacked unless he can somehow do better than last season with a weaker squad than last season. Which he definitely isn’t good enough to do.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Surely they can't sack him as they haven't backed him? Still feel this is on Woodward and the Glazers. No manager in the world would have that squad in the top four, it's a mid table team.

 

[Patrick08]

His decisions are proving Paul Ince right, just like certain Liverpool ex on Pogba I am sorry to say.

 

[Greck]

I want him to stay (long enough for better candidates to become available at the end of the season) but his current win rate would see him considered for the sack at even Leicester. Anyone thinking this current streak can continue and he'll be okay is kidding. This is the only club that thinks a manager can't be expected to beat relegation sides before spending 200m net

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Thats not a real suggestion though, all I'm asking for is a manager who plays a good brand of football, has a decent CV and is available right now.
If anyone can provide a name, then ill agree Ole should be replaced.

It's just a daft, loaded question though, isn't it? Any name put forward you'll disagree with, and that's fine - you're a Solksjaer apologist.

The reality is that almost every manager in the PL is a better coach than Solksjaer, and after Utd, just as after Cardiff, he won't be getting offers from any PL sides - even those at the foot of the table.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I think he’s probably not quite good enough for a team with aspirations of getting into the CL. We’ll never know though. Because he’s going to get sacked unless he can somehow do better than last season with a weaker squad than last season. Which he definitely isn’t good enough to do.

Leaving everything regarding Lukaku and Sanchez so late was ridiculous. They should have given themselves more time to find replacements and now we have a criminally thin squad. All we need is for Smalling to look brilliant and that will just take the biscuit.

 

[Dinghy]

If we had a true system or identity, we wouldn’t have to rely on Pogba taking on 3 players.

There's no system in the world that will have players like Pereira, McTominay, Mata, Matic and Lingard consistently opening up tight defenses. Besides from Pogba, these are the players we rely on to do it and it's evident that they lack the quality.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Why the feck should the Molde manager be in charge of the rebuild? Because he used to play for us? People need to wake up.

Agree. He was supposed to be a feel good interim. And he was! It would have been such a nice way to end a miserable season, search for a more experienced manager and move forward.

It's really bad signs so far. The football is not compelling and I am not seeing a great manager at work. I can be patient but we better act promptly if things don't improve by dec

 

[el3mel]

Since being appointed as a full time manager : 14 games 3W4D7L

Win percentage 21.4%

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Surely they can't sack him as they haven't backed him? Still feel this is on Woodward and the Glazers. No manager in the world would have that squad in the top four, it's a mid table team.

I agree. Other managers would kick up a right stink about it as well. Ole is just so glad to have the job.

 

[Dec9003]

It's just a daft, loaded question though, isn't it? Any name put forward you'll disagree with, and that's fine - you're a Solksjaer apologist.

The reality is that almost every manager in the PL is a better coach than Solksjaer, and after Utd, just as after Cardiff, he won't be getting offers from any PL sides - even those at the foot of the table.

Its not a daft question to ask who would be able to replace him and get the results we're after.
Fair enough if Solsjkaer isn't a good manager, but who would you like to replace him? All I'm asking for is someone who plays a good brand of football, has managed at a decent level, and is available.
So far the suggestions have been Poch, who ticks the boxes but isn't available, and Allegri, who although I like plays a very boring brand of football.
Do you have any other suggestions? If so i promise you I'm all ears mate.

 

[fastwalker]

I have said this elsewhere, we should set Ole a target and that target should be top 4. That is the absolute minimum. If this is truly a rebuild then we have to be moving incrementally forward and not back. Top four is the barest minimum that I would expect. Any attempt to move against Ole before the end of the 2019/20 campaign would be unwise in my view. We backed an inexperienced and unproven young manager and we knew the risks. We therefore need to roll will the punches. until the end of this campaign.

That said we must hold Ole accountable for the team's performances. All of this nonsense whereby people suggest that it is not Ole's fault because the team is crap just doesn't hold water. Last season Ole performed wonders (for 12 games) with a side that is not as good as the one that he has now. It was because of that that he was offered the job. Therefore, we cannot have it both ways: blaming lack of investment for the team's under-performance, when it suits us but ignoring the fact that there was no new investment between December and April when Ole had his best spell.

 

[Enigma_87]

So who out of the players we sold or were not playing today do you miss or would be better?

Part of the managers job is to bring better players. He had a whole summer for that and also a winter season.

He is happy with the squad - there you go.

 

[johanovic]

Yes because that's the state of our squad.

That's the strangest logic I have heard in a long time. We had 5 strikers and Lukaku and Sanchez on around 600 thousand pounds per week without getting nothing in return. OGS decided to play Martial as striker and he has done well and make room for Greenwood as he is a serious talent. On top of that there is room for signing a top striker in the coming windows.

 

[Keefy18]

I’m on holidays mate but you bring up some good points. Will try to answer to those when I get my hands on a laptop.

The core issue again is what we have saw today. We don’t have plan B or remotely good enough squad to start a season let alone finish one. Rebuilding is not done like this. If you don’t have the funds you have to improve the players you already have until you get the chance to show them the door.

Actually it is. How else is it done?

Fergie done the same in 86 by ridding the club of the drinking culture. He went to Edwards and demanded 13 new players that first summer window, did he get them? Of course feckin not! So slowly he got rid of the rotten apples and addressed key areas, namely from the back going forward.

 

[AshRK]

He has some good ideas but his game management is not good. I doubt he will make a great manager. The issue is I cannot see board sacking him anytime soon ans even if they do I don't expect new manager to make our average squad look great. We definitely needed more than 3 players.

 

[432JuanMata]

I know this is another thread but I thought this was astonishing.

ole is the worst permanent manager in the history of Manchester United with a win rate of 19%, we also haven’t won an away game since March.

Now I’m not saying Ole out but that win rate would get you in the bottom three

 

[Enigma_87]

Actually it is. How else is it done?

Fergie done the same in 86 by ridding the club of the drinking culture. He went to Edwards and demanded 13 new players that first summer window, did he get them? Of course feckin not! So slowly he got rid of the rotten apples and addressed key areas, namely from the back going forward.

You have to bring new players in. Pep sold a lot but also brought a lot.

You can’t replace senior players with 17 years old for the entire season. Literally no top team does that. Not even Barcelona who have the best academy in the world.

 

[Aretak]

Part of the managers job is to bring better players. He had a whole summer for that and also a winter season.

He is happy with the squad - there you go.

Literally every manager that's come and gone during Ed Woodward's time in charge, bar Ole so far since he's both still employed and in an insecure position that means he has to play nice, has complained about not getting players that they wanted and asked the club to pursue. I'm no scientist, but I'm starting to see a pattern here...

 

[NJM78]

Next 5 games. Leicester (h), West Ham (a), Arsenal (h), Newcastle (a), Liverpool (h)

I honestly cannot see more than 5 points. If we are on 10 points from 27 I think his job will be well and truly on the line and deservedly so. Legend or not.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Its not a daft question to ask who would be able to replace him and get the results we're after.
Fair enough if Solsjkaer isn't a good manager, but who would you like to replace him? All I'm asking for is someone who plays a good brand of football, has managed at a decent level, and is available.
So far the suggestions have been Poch, who ticks the boxes but isn't available, and Allegri, who although I like plays a very boring brand of football.
Do you have any other suggestions? If so i promise you I'm all ears mate.

Forget Pochettino, we've got a manager that literally no-one else in the PL would employ.

As I said, with where we are now, you could replace him the majority of PL managers and they'd do a better job over a season.

He isn't a PL level coach. That's my opinion.

 

[lilcurt]

I know this is another thread but I thought this was astonishing.

ole is the worst permanent manager in the history of Manchester United with a win rate of 19%, we also haven’t won an away game since March.

Now I’m not saying Ole out but that win rate would get you in the bottom three

But you are saying Ole out... Otherwise what's the point of making this in a new thread?

The problems going further than Ole, while I'm not a fan of recent team selection and game management I honestly don't think many managers in world football would do much better with our squad.

 

[reddev3]

The culling was ok.

I’d have preferred to keep Lukaku and designed the team to get best out of him, and not Rashford who is even worse.

But we are seeing impact of ridding of Lukaku Sanchez Fellaini Herrera without replacement.

To be fair to Ole that isn't what he has done, he built the team around Martial upfront.

 

[Chairman Steve]

One of my main fears going into this seasons is he would have blind faith and hope in Martial and 'Rashy'... God only knows whether they can actually progress into the players people project them to be at in 5 years, but it seems silly to rely on them two solely whilst binning off Lukaku AND Sanchez, then relying on 17 year old Mason Greenwood as the main back-up.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

That record would make even David Moyes to blush out of embarrassment.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Why is there not a poll on this thread?

You need to tag in a mod and ask for one mate.