I don't get this. Who exactly is saying this?
You don't need go be to have a more impressive set of attacking tactics than Ole
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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You don't need go be to have a more impressive set of attacking tactics than Ole
Maybe there's a reason for him barely featuring ? Maybe none of them thinks he's ready, so how would a player like that be a better alternative, because someone on the internet decided it ?
Nope I read it fine and stand by what I said
Which is where I said I disagreed with Ole. Hence my post which stated we mainly agree.
Its an internet forum where people you know discuss their opinions...
Only a moron would
Oh good one, did you think of that all on your own or did you get help?
@passing-wind for oneI don't get this. Who exactly is saying this?
You don't need go be to have a more impressive set of attacking tactics than Ole
Moron
In reality he/she actually said he had a higher ceiling than Ole which is something else all together. Not that I even agree but its clearly not what was being said
Your post highlights the significance of recent results which are short term. I'm not talking about results they have achieved, I'm talking about how both managers have imposed their will on their respective teams. How their will in essence provides the identity of the team, the philosophy which corresponds to a foundation to achieve success. Lampard has finished 6th with Derby and reached the play off final which would have given the club promotion in his first season as a manager. This eclipses anything Solskjaer has done from a competitive standpoint managerially. He's got Cardiff relegated and got the p45 the following season.
Solskjaer doesn't give this club enough of a directive both in coaching and from a managerial perspective. He doesn't offer anything by way of development for the team. The only element of success is strategically comprising a counter attacking system that relies on us not taking control of games and exposing opposition mistakes. Something Mourinho supported and got slaughtered by fans for.
Solskjaer has been in charge for almost 8 months now and where are we headed ? What is the long term aspirations, how do we define future success under Ole a top four finish or challenging for the league ? This club is an elite club, therefore we need success on the pitch to correspond with the standard. Can any fan in their right mind say to themselves that in three years Solskjaer will challenge for a league title ? To me this is something that will never happen, that is my biased opinion, if I wish Solskjaer could then that defines hope but Ole has given us fans nothing from a rational standpoint to back him without any consideration.
Tbf yes Mbappe is class. Forgot about him.
Rashford has a shout of being the next best player though. He’s class. we should be immensely proud to have him.
You missed out Oles success with Modle and in the Europa league with them also
Say what ?
8 goals in 5 matches is not good enough granted, but it's just 3 goals less than Spurs and Chelsea. It's average.
11 goals against is the 2nd worst in the League - only beaten by Norwich.
As for having less time - that is true. But the fact remains - Wolves away is the only match Chelsea has played this season where they looked good.
You sound like someone who's never attended a game in your lifetime.
I truly hope that whatever mentality you have towards Solskjaer is able to exemplify itself in reality. At the end of the day everyone wants what's best for this club but we could re hire Moyes and many fans like yourself will somehow dress that up as a success.
How hard is it to look impressive going forward if you have zero balance in your side ?
Competitive. What is Molde to Manchester United or even the premier league. We won the Europa League under Mourinho and he's unemployed. This is exactly my point to what level do the club have to reassess the standards for fans to view Ole as a success ?
Not true, they looked good vs Liverpool and first half vs us.
He might if his decision making gets better. That is what lets him down.
Which in Lampard's case is in THE SHORT TERM!!!
You cannot compare someone who's had 5 games with someone who's had 25 (or whatever it is under Ole) because
Very we couldn't do it quite a bit
His in-game-management leaves a lot to be desired, imo, but I like his overall strategy and ideas for the club. We’ll just have to wait and see!
Really talking about what other people call success? Coming from the person who claims almost getting promotion as an achievement. You really like to throw stones in that glass house you're in don't you
Oh and for the record my disagreement is purely based on this absolute bollocks that Lampard has shown more than Solskjaer nothing else
I was talking about your comparison to Lampard you can't talk about Lampard getting to a play off final and not mention Modle in Europa league qualifying where they looked like a good side
Ole and the management team has the advantage of seeing him every week, monitoring his progress, isn't there a distinct possibility that they might just be right when they feel that he's not ready for the Premier League. Maybe his training is below par, should that be rewarded with first team starts ahead of someone else ?
You are making assumptions. All I will go on is what we see. In preseason he got less minutes than players who he outperformed on tour
So yes maybe he isn't training well, or maybe they don't fancy him, or maybe they think he is too small him time will tell
Essentially nothing then ?
Read the next sentence. You are also going on nothing
This is what you get when you hire a club legend who is also fan favourite in terms of personality (i loved him also as a player). Fans just can't be objective like they are when you hire top class coach. With Jose and Lvg we (fans) looked at every single thing. Defence, attack, results, transfers, press conferences, everything. With Ole fans make excuses because he is "our Ole".
For me it is amazing how fans refuse to see and understand that manager can also be just average like some players are. And no time in the world will not change that. Some people are just more talented for some job and some are not. That is why some managers and players spend their all careers in top clubs, some in medium clubs and some in small clubs.
Ole is a bang average manager who is not good enough for most of PL clubs. And especially for biggest clubs in the world when you must be nearly perfect in every area of your job. That is something what every person who watch football sees right now except some United fans. And if we don't want average players in this club and if nearly 100% of fan base wanted Rojo, Fellaini, Young, Jones, Darmian out of this club then i don't know why we should have average and limited manager.
Lampard's Chelsea play the exact same way as Derby barring he's got a more fluid set of players. He still has mount orchestrating the midfield and you can tell he's coached the players movement throughout the pre season and within training methodology. That is what's called a philosophy, he's got a cohesive idealistic view for his team and he brings into fruition. This is why Klopp was given time at Liverpool. Why Poch has been a success at Tottenham. Why Guardiola is known for his success and why a dinosaur like Mourinho is jobless.
You've missed a trajectory of my post to accommodate a smaller sub section to base an argument. This is not what merits a football discussion, I'm not here to call you names I'm here to expose that some of the support for Solskjaer long term is unwarranted.
His signings so far don’t look average.
It does take time, yes, but Ole's been here for, what, 10 months or so and our team pressing is as inconsistent and unorganised as when he took over.
The fact that Ole made players fitness a priority, and that as a collective we pressed really well in preseason, makes it surprising to me that, bar that 1st half against Wolves, we haven't attempted or been able to press that well at all.
Championship is far more competitive than the Norwegian league ? If the Norwegian league was even half as competitive as championship then Ole would have had the
Lampard in the championship = 6th place finish and close to promotion
Really talking about what other people call success? Coming from the person who claims almost getting promotion as an achievement. You really like to throw stones in that glass house you're in don't you
Oh and for the record my disagreement is purely based on this absolute bollocks that Lampard has shown more than Solskjaer nothing else
Ole in the championship = sacked
Does that need any theology or thesis to draw comparison. We Manchester United are a division 1 team, the fact we are having debates about the championship speaks volumes about the level of manager we have at the helm than anything.
I don't even disagree with you fully, however the circumstances between the relegated Cardiff and the Derby side are a bit different. Especially with Derby able to loan top quality like Mount and Wilson
Not really, i'm going by the fact that plenty of youth players have been given chances and Gomes has for some reason been left out. My assumption is that there's a reason for it and that they have the player and clubs best interest in mind, and that we'll still see plenty of him this season.
You're too busy pointing out that it's a mistake, where the assumption is based on your personal opinion and nothing else.
In Ole's short managerial life at United, he very nearly got us into the Champions League from a near-impossible position. He purchased 3 players who have been our best performers so far in the season. Got rid of some of our worst-performing players. He could have probably been short-changed by the club with player purchases, or couldn't get the right profile players he requires during the summer window - we have no clues. The tactics and style of play at present is likely due to the players he has at his disposal.
Granted there are no guarantees he will be successful, but let's have some patience and enjoy the journey. There are absolute no guarantees another managerial change will bring relief to both our present issues or future success.
Granted there are no guarantees he will be successful, but let's have some patience and enjoy the journey. There are absolute no guarantees another managerial change will bring relief to both our present issues or future success.
Your assumption that the reason for it is to with with his training.
My assumption is that its more likely to do with his size and contract situation which is likely to be a mistake, especially given what happened in pre season
Again its only an opinion though I do not think that for instance our coaching team and club always make the right decision etc, as we found out in the past most recently with Herrera
Can someone please point out a foolproof plan for United to be successful rather than just stating the negatives?
All I'm reading is ifs, buts, hindsight, etc...
All I'm reading is ifs, buts, hindsight, etc...
You'll have to word this better because it makes no sense. You are claiming I blindly criticised our manager and then directed the comments at you?
Not sure what you actually mean but reading your other replies in this thread you seem to just be nickpicking parts of people's posts and completely ignoring the points they are making just for the sake of it, so I'm not even sure what your opinion is.
Do you think Ole is doing a good job or that we should get rid of him?
How can you already decide who is who and put Ole in a average box? Tell me what do you base that on?
One more question. Who is good for us? We had Mourinho and van Gaal. 2 of most decorated managers of all time and they didn't exactly light the fire here? Did they? Sure, Mourinho won some trophy and so did van Gaal but overall. So you got two managers you can put in top class box and it didn't work out, one way or another.
Sometimes, you got to get to the root of the problem. If it means "going back to basics" then so be it. Ole might not be our greatest manager of all time. Ole might not be here in 2-3 years. We don't now the future. But right now, he is right for us. In rebuilding process.
Nope, i mentioned it as a possible example.
Herrera , at his age, wasn't happy with the contract suggestion (length and wages), what PSG offered him was a no-brainer. We wanted to keep him.
In reality, we didn't know what we wanted to do with Herrera because Jose didn't want to keep him, and by the time Ole made his mind up it was too late.
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