[fergieisold]

What were the tactics ?

As far as I could tell we actually played the game in a more balanced fashion than we have done in the past. We seemed to actually do a decent job overall of nullifying any threat from West Ham, but then we made a really poor mistake for their first goal.

The problem doesn't seem to be the plan to me, but the quality of our attacking players. Clearly we are looking to get the ball forward, move the ball quickly, play to feet in and around the box but the players are just hopeless. I look at the players and there's just no consistent goals in any of them. It's going the be a long season. We need to go big in January on a striker and get Rashford on the bench.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Always going to be a tough season with the squad we have but my god that was hard work. Having to sit through another game with Young, Matic, Mata, Pereria, McTominey and Lingard on the pitch is too much for a relaxing Sunday afternoon. No centre forwards left but that doesn’t really matter as we have one of the worst midfields I have seen in a long time. Mark Noble totally dominated them. Hang your heads in shame.

Can anyone tell me what our training consists off? After about 8yrs we still have no team cohesion. Where has the high pressing gone, back to being non existent.

Very very depressing.

 

[Bobcat]

That was a disgraceful performance from almost everyone involved. Rashford not able to shoot, Mata missing an open goal, Maguire missing from 5 yards, Lindelof fecking up easy passes all game, Pereira, Matic and McTomminay completely dysfunctional in MF, Ole making zero impact with his subs.

What the feck are we doing for the first goal? Everyone is just watching as Noble strolls around and gets all the time in the world to pick out a pass and the Young with a stupid challenge to award them a dangerous free kick

The only ones who looked halfish decent were AWB and James. I like Ole, but am starting to think hes not up to the task

 

[Ekeke]

We're getting there

Where's there? Mid table?

 

[mitchmouse]

Making Noble and West Ham look good is so fecking annoying. No pace, no tempo, no passion, no quality. dull as feck; I'd have been better off catching up on some work. truly awful and I don't want to hear it from anyone of those calling me a moaner. that was utter shite. utter shite from the very first moment. I wonder how many of these guys would get into an SAF side and how many if they did, would never do so again after today. Sorry but Ole's plan is as poor as the players. shite, shite, shite

 

[ha_rooney]

Keane is 100% correct

 

[Macern]

Congratulations on the new contract David, you absolute fool.

What did he do wrong?

 

[mattunited1978]

Predictable. Everyone was complete shite, as usual.

How our club ended up with this talentless, submissive, squad full of losers is a travesty.

Added to 4 consecutive awful managerial appoints...Eds taking the f'in piss.

 

[siw2007]

Really bad performance today. First half was pretty dire, we were slow sluggish, absolutely no quality on the ball whatsoever. Second half was okayish, we created a few really good chances but couldn’t take them. Rashford going off was a big blow, he was starting to play well but we now have no fit forwards who can play that position, he should never have played against Astana and Ole has payed the price.

Problem is I look at that team and am not surprised that we were so poor. Matic and Mata look like their time is up, Pereira has shown he can whip in a good cross but looks totally dominated in that wide right position. But I can’t really say that the options on the bench are that much better, maybe Gomes for Mata but we really need a group of top class senior players around players like him to get the best out of him but we just don’t have any. We are at the bare bones now and don’t see how we are going to cope next week if Pogba and Martial aren’t back.

 

[mitchmouse]

Jose is right: "I don't think Ole can take any positives from that at all"

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I'm not saying these two things are linked... But I started the game feeling a bit unwell, and then just spent the game getting more and more ill until eventually I had to miss injury time cos I was throwing up my lunch.

I blame Woodward

 

[ash_86]

We missed the trick with Haller. Was brilliant today. Front 3 of Rashford, Haller and Martial would have been brilliant.

 

[r0663664]

Ole isn't a manager that I will trust my million with. He is out of depth.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Jose & Keane saying it as it is.

 

[Tapori]

Who’s JP?

JP Mcmanus and his business partner held a large chunk of shares in Manchester United.
Fergie fell out with them literally over a horse, and they in turn played a pivotal role in selling shares to the Glazers to allow them a controlling stake.

 

[Tarrou]

No effort whatsoever first half

bit of effort 2nd but still crap

 

[Dargonk]

Performed about as well as expected with the players we currently have. We have no depth, and are relying on players to lead the line which are not up to the required level. If a team knows how to defend well, odds are we are not going to get anything from them. We just don't have the ability to break tough teams down, and then if we do create a chance, none of our players are really clinical enough to punish the opposition regularly enough.

We went into the season without enough quality players up front and in midfield. So it is no surprise when you lose both strikers and Pogba we look clueless. At the moment the team only looks mid table at best quality

 

[rpitchfo]

Today is the day I reset my expectations. No more passive aggressive, sarcastic posts due to the gap between where I would like us to be and where we are. We are a mid table club.

With that in mind, we did ok today. Kept it tight in the first half and were undone at the end by a good move. Second half played much better and created two good chances. They go in and the game could have been different. Belter of a free kick for their second. Good job to the hammers very competitive and put the work in. Looking forward to playing them at ours!

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

What did he do wrong?

Signed to stay among the same crap longer even after witnessing the last 6 years first hand.

 

[Tapori]

Billionaire Sheikh anyone?

No
Cap this post:

One day David Beckham will own the football club.

 

[Judas]

We're such a passive and flat team under Ole, so little attacking bite, it's just sad.

 

[mitchmouse]

even souness is right. didn't look as they believed they could win and "passive"

 

[R'hllor]

feck them, play more Mata, Matic, Young etc. and dont bother with "who instead?" bullshit, fill up a bottle with piss and place it on the ground, still better solution.

Oh and us getting rid of Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling, isnt an issue, if we had a bit more brain, we would get rid of few more. Jones should never get a contract and some others, here was Jones today, sitting behind fecking Woodward and earning his money like a boss.

This is also clear lack of vision, knowing what to do, pattern of play, way of playing, cluelesness in final third, they are so clueless they dont even trying, you have way way way worse teams who trying to implement a vision on the pitch but they fail due lack of quality, us on other hand, we aint even trying, we just force shit because we dont know anything else.

People will blame it on recruitment, lack of quality, dont fool yourself, its way worse than that.

 

[Isotope]

That was a disgraceful performance from almost everyone involved. Rashford not able to shoot, Mata missing an open goal, Maguire missing from 5 yards, Lindelof fecking up easy passes all game, Pereira, Matic and McTomminay completely dysfunctional in MF, Ole making zero impact with his subs.

What the feck are we doing for the first goal? Everyone is just watching as Noble strolls around and gets all the time in the world to pick out a pass and the Young with a stupid challenge to award them a dangerous free kick

The only ones who looked halfish decent were AWB and James. I like Ole, but am starting to think hes not up to the task

And Maguire defended like a clown for their goal.

 

[The Firestarter]

As far as I could tell we actually played the game in a more balanced fashion than we have done in the past. We seemed to actually do a decent job overall of nullifying any threat from West Ham, but then we made a really poor mistake for their first goal.

The problem doesn't seem to be the plan to me, but the quality of our attacking players. Clearly we are looking to get the ball forward, move the ball quickly, play to feet in and around the box but the players are just hopeless. I look at the players and there's just no consistent goals in any of them. It's going the be a long season. We need to go big in January on a striker and get Rashford on the bench.

We just bring the ball at the edge of the box and then kick it inside in some form either a cross or a hopeless diagonal pass that is bound to fail 90% of the time. No type of a quick combination through the center that should work against a team like this lot.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

That was by far the worst performance this season.

Rashford looked ill or injured from the start but set off on two or three sprints and then really got injured.
Mata looked like he was running in porridge.
McTominay started well but then got awful. James hardly touched the ball.
Lindelof still looks weak and unaware and Maguire wasn't much better.

AWB gave the ball away a lot but was still one of our better players and for MoM the dubious choice is Matic.
Subs completely ineffective.

 

[Jericholyte2]

Gary Neville 100% on the money.

This will take 400-500m to rebuild. Palace can reject 70m for Zaha and we need players who are levels above him.

The fact that we have the financial muscle we have, we knew we were getting rid of two strikers and yet 5e net spend was 70m - that is fecking criminal from the board! But never mind, we’ll keep getting shitty sponsorships and limp towards mediocrity!

 

[Denis79]

We're getting there

Where? where the feck are we going?

 

[Okey]

Pretty much..

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I completely agree with this. Several times I've compared the opposing teams with ours. They haven't necessarily got the better players but are playing much better football. Not even a genius can make out what we were supposed to be doing today. Abysmal coaching.

 

[AndyMUFC]

Shite. How on earth we came into the season with this squad is beyond me. Utter fecking stupidity.

 

[stu_1992]

Who’s JP?

They're referring to JP McManus. One of the majority shareholders before they sold up to the Glazers.

 

[Buster15]

Keane is 100% correct

Yes. He doesn't even seem angry. Just resigned to how bad we have become.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

Manchester United are done as a top tier club for the foreseeable future.

 

[Ekeke]

Ole just doesn't have it. He did well as caretaker manager while the players were in party mode being free of Mourinho, but as soon as the tough times came with injuries and our momentum slowing down he hasn't shown any ability to turn things around. He didnt at Cardiff either.

His transfer activity was in the wrong direction and now we're in a similar, but not as toxic situation as with Mourinho last year. I think the players will feel better than at this point last season but our performances and points dont suggest we're any better on the pitch

 

[Ballache]

Not surprising really. You know times are hard when West Ham field a better front 3 than us.

 

[Freak]

feck this squad of players.

 

[SweetRightFoot]

I'm with the braying hordes today.

Absolutely not good enough. Can't even pinpoint one bad performance that ruined the match; whole squad, personnel and tactics, completely sub par.

Starting to lose faith in Solskjaer now, 4-5-1 is a sh*te formation in this day and age, playing Matic and McTominay in midfield is a surefire recipe for 0% creativity in the middle of the park, when Fred came on it was like a breath of fresh air. Rashford looked gassed early on, needed telling to calm it down a bit and play the poachers game not just running around and inevitably getting injured. Mata ineffective, Andreas just the same, Lingard makes it a triple, should have brought Gomes on earlier. Why on earth are we still persisting with 4 at the back when West Ham were playing with an isolated target man and mainly working down the middle? When our full backs go up it just leaves our defence MORE exposed rather than having 3 CB's and wing backs! And playing 4 at the back leaves Young on the pitch! Dont know about you lot but I'd rather have Lingard at wingback than Young at full back.

I know we were missing Pogba, Martial and then Rashford but the rest of the squad is so weak.

Like I said earlier, can't even pin this on any one player (maybe Young), whole performance from the manager down was absolute mid table (or worse) crap. I'm always the last to criticize the manager but that's the nail in the coffin for me today. Blindingly obvious we need a tactical rethink but we're still coming into every match with early 00's set up. We need a more tactically astute coach, someone who can create a team based on the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. Maybe someone from Italy.

[/RANT]

 

[RK]

Unlucky to lose:

• Created the better chances
• Noble staying on the pitch
• Injuries

Obviously we have flaws but the result flatters West Ham.

 

[RedAlways78]

What did he do wrong?

I think he’s a fool for staying at this car crash of a team

 

[padr81]

truth is looking at both line ups, West Hams attack and midfield was far superior to yours. Pogba would have went along way to redress that but if you asked me to pick my best 11 of both teams today at kickoff, there would be 4 United players maybe 5. gk, rb and both cb's are the only certainties.

Id have picked WH players in every other position. I dont know if its coaching or laziness or poor off the pitch dealings.. given the cost of the squad but you guys need a huge overhaul. I suspect its a bit of all 3. Injuries arent helping you but having to rely on James to score wonder goals is not a viable strategy.