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Why? The evidence is that things are accelerating and we are doing feck all about it. Or far far too little, far far too late.Just saw it again on TV. She's absolutely fallen to bits. There's no place for that. Her parents have failed her nobody else. If everyone acted the way she did we all might as well get it over with and kill ourselves now as there is simply no hope in anything and nothing to live for.
"You have stolen my dreams and my childhood" Jesus Christ get a grip, take this young girl away from the limelight before it's too late.
Maybe I'm just not blessed to be with 'the science' or too stoopid to understand it durr but you have to be more optimistic than that.
We are witnessing a mass extinction. That's just reality, there's no optimistic spin on it, we're causing large parts of it, it's happening, it's significant. You might not remotely care about other organisms but expecting other people to just skip along happily is fecking stupid.Just saw it again on TV. She's absolutely fallen to bits. There's no place for that. Her parents have failed her nobody else. If everyone acted the way she did we all might as well get it over with and kill ourselves now as there is simply no hope in anything and nothing to live for.
"You have stolen my dreams and my childhood" Jesus Christ get a grip, take this young girl away from the limelight before it's too late.
Maybe I'm just not blessed to be with 'the science' or too stoopid to understand it durr but you have to be more optimistic than that.
And that's ultimately it. There's really not much to be done now. Obviously as a country we should work towards being fully renewable, (which will have the added effect of boosting the economy if we can do it before everyone else), but China and India aren't going anywhere. Africa is a billion people sitting on the sidelines...We went from 2 billion to more than 7 billion humans in less than 90 years. Imagine thinking that wouldn't have an direct effect on the world's climate.
Why is she irritating?Am I allowed to agree completely with Greta but still find her irritating?
Not the beginning. We are well into one and the current rate is phenomonally high. Probably the highest rate since the meteor strike that caused the Cretacious-Tertiary extinction event.Do all the Greta fans here genuinely think that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?
She is saying thing people either don't want to hear or don't want to think about too much.Why is she irritating?
I reckon we shouldnt wait till we are at the brink of extinction before doing anything about itDo all the Greta fans here genuinely think that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?
There is nothing to be optimistic about. She is not a doom mongerer, we are heading towards a catastrophe. The effects of climate change arent being felt in first world countries, but the third world is in dire starits. Recently a women in Delhi who hasnt smoked her whole life was diagnosed with lung cancer which was attributed to the toxic air in Delhi. Meanwhile countries like the US instead of trying to curb pollution are accelearting. The establishment needs to wake the feck up and smell the coffee.Just saw it again on TV. She's absolutely fallen to bits. There's no place for that. Her parents have failed her nobody else. If everyone acted the way she did we all might as well get it over with and kill ourselves now as there is simply no hope in anything and nothing to live for.
"You have stolen my dreams and my childhood" Jesus Christ get a grip, take this young girl away from the limelight before it's too late.
Maybe I'm just not blessed to be with 'the science' or too stoopid to understand it durr but you have to be more optimistic than that.
Of course. However, if your entire schtick is we're destroying the planet and we need to change drastically before it's too late, you are probably going to have to be a bit irritating like.Am I allowed to agree completely with Greta but still find her irritating?
Yes. It’s not even controversial and we are not at the beginning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinctionDo all the Greta fans here genuinely think that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?
Except she's not an idiot. Anyone who has seen her interviews can clearly see she's mature beyond her years. The enivironment in which she has grown up is very different compared to yesteryear. Children are exposed to the world at a very young age because of the internet. Its not her parents who have failed her, its society. She is fighting for her future. Imagine how cities like Delhi would be like in 30+ years.This 16 year old girl saying these well intentioned facts is a well intentioned idiot... But she's a 16 year old girl so if she wasn't an idiot it would be astounding.
Anyone who thinks governments or politicians are going to fix this problem are naive in the extreme. Engineers developing battery technology. Scientists creating cultured beef, entrepreneurs who're tapping into social consciesness by advertising the fact that they are not buying leather from Brazil or timber from Indonesia or fabric from China. That's how we win.
UNEP statement said:Despite the warnings in each year’s gap report, greenhouse gas emissions grew at an average of 1.6 per cent per year from 2008 to 2017. In fact, these emissions are now almost exactly what early gap reports projected they would be in 2020 if the world did nothing to change its brown, polluting growth models.
So much of the criticism I've seen directed at her has been heavily informed by this. Some very insecure men don't seem to like the idea that a teenage girl might have a better grasp of something than they do, or can have an impact on the world as a result. The idea that a kid by default can't know much is a refuge for people who already know that most adults know more than them too.She is saying thing people either don't want to hear or don't want to think about too much.
Also being young and female with a strident opinion tends to piss men off.
Why is she irritating?
She seems to ooze sanctimony like the annoying, know-it-all kid at school.She is saying thing people either don't want to hear or don't want to think about too much.
Also being young and female with a strident opinion tends to piss men off.
Doesn’t really matter if you like her or not. A better question is, why does it need a teenaged girl to keep the most important issue in the world in the headlines?She seems to ooze sanctimony like the annoying, know-it-all kid at school.
Plus, living in India where many kids don't have food, I found her 'stolen dreams and childhood' spiel grating hyperbole (especially unnecessary when the rest of her points were on point and grounded in science).
But I guess I must be a sexist.
Yes I thought that comment showed a striking lack of perspective but she's a teenage icon - that's an inevitable consequence. You would be the same. The important thing is that flaw shouldn't hinder her assessment on the societal challenges, just her own.She seems to ooze sanctimony like the annoying, know-it-all kid at school.
Plus, living in India where many kids don't have food, I found her 'stolen dreams and childhood' spiel grating hyperbole (especially unnecessary when the rest of her points were on point and grounded in science).
But I guess I must be a sexist.
Of course, it doesn't.Doesn’t really matter if you like her or not. A better question is, why does it need a teenaged girl to keep the most important issue in the world in the headlines?
I though she was very impressive. And people who are already in a state of poverty will be most affected by climate change so framing this as misplaced priorities is deeply misguided.She seems to ooze sanctimony like the annoying, know-it-all kid at school.
Plus, living in India where many kids don't have food, I found her 'stolen dreams and childhood' spiel grating hyperbole (especially unnecessary when the rest of her points were on point and grounded in science).
But I guess I must be a sexist.
That's so true. Nobody listened when the distinguished professors and scientists were screaming. Now a teenager has found a way to activate millions of young people and also re-activate the old Green movement and everybody is bending over to find flaws with her, attack her because of her youth, her privilege, whatever. But what she is talking about is real and threatening every aspect of civil society. But yeah, capitalism and free market. I guess. Also haha she's a girl.I guess I'd rather a crusty old scientist with a couple of decades experience making the point. But they did and were ignored. I'll take a win where I can get it
Very good question.Doesn’t really matter if you like her or not. A better question is, why does it need a teenaged girl to keep the most important issue in the world in the headlines?
I hope she's still fighting the fight in a year or two as this movement needs real momentum. I get why people don't like her but we need someone and a young girl made it a story.That's so true. Nobody listened when the distinguished professors and scientists were screaming. Now a teenager has found a way to activate millions of young people and also re-activate the old Green movement and everybody is bending over to find flaws with her, attack her because of her youth, her privilege, whatever. But what she is talking about is real and threatening every aspect of civil society. But yeah, capitalism and free market. I guess. Also haha she's a girl.
That, and she even said "I’m one of the lucky ones", which I’m pretty sure was meant to acknowledge that she’s on the top of the pyramid, along with the rest of us enjoying the securities of the west.I though she was very impressive. And people who are already in a state of poverty will be most affected by climate change so framing this as misplaced priorities is deeply misguided.
That people are irritated by her passion is a huge part of the problem.
An activist-adult wouldn't ever give this much attention, tbf. And politicians don't care, while businessmen want the status quo to continue.I dont really get why shes the figurehead either tbh. My criticism for it would be more directed at media, maybe at the absence of an adult saying the same thing. She seems to be getting some attention for the issue so whatever, I'm not picky about the package putting out the message.
Thought the opening of her speech was interesting, 'Were watching you' and the dumb fecks laughed. Bit slow aren't they?
We've been at the beginning of one for the last 20 years. At least.Do all the Greta fans here genuinely think that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?
No. But we should be allowing her (and others) to make sure the government DOES have a policy.We've been at the beginning of one for the last 20 years. At least.
I remember being told in school that Amsterdam would be under water by now. No doubt action needs to be taken but the seriousness has always been hugely exaggerated by a variety of pressure groups, and are we really now going down the road of allowing Greta Thurnberg, a child, to set government policy?
I never heard about them moving Germany to the arctic. Funny how these things pass you by.It's only September and there is no more sun shining here in Germany and it will stay so until about May next year.
You also never heard of winter coming, I assume.I never heard about them moving Germany to the arctic. Funny how these things pass you by.
So. She is wrong because of her age ?It would be so great if our civilisation managed to live totally on renewable energy and stop polluting nature with our rubbish, and launch huge global preservation projects.. but having some 15 year old child give Jeremy Corbyn style flannel waving speeches is just too much for me. I don't know what's more cringe worthy, the things she says or all the adults who egg her on.
A UN report compiled by the absolute top minds in their respective fields states: That natures dangerous decline is unprecedented and that species extinction rates are accelerating. If you want to name it mass extinction which is a broad term, is really down to how you define the it.Do all the Greta fans here genuinely think that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?
Firstly. I am extremely concerned about the effects of Man Made Climate Change.Do all the Greta fans here genuinely think that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?
Let's not make our kids suffer emotionally.....I actually agree with that, when you've been through war and survived it's hard to take someone who is actually fortunate enough to live in a 1st world country and not know about real poverty and suffering say "you've stole my childhood" just chin up and be more optimistic.
yes human kind needs to preserve the environment but let's not make our kids suffer emotionally because of it just yet.
What's the point of making her feel so scared that she has to cry and say stuff like they ruined her childhood, I mean really why give such responsibilities to a kid, and I've seen with war the power of using kids to your agenda and I think it's unethical.Let's not make our kids suffer emotionally.....
It is going to be much more than their emotions that are going to suffer.
And I am delighted to see that they are already doing the right things.
Challenging the world leaders to do much more than spout more hot air.